SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Jack]

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🤣🤣🤣🤣 this SNP Government has centralised everything it possibly can, Police, Fire Service, Control rooms Hospital A&E etc

How are hospital A&E centralised?

[degenerated]

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How are hospital A&E centralised?

Someone should tell the 8 regional health boards in Scotland, they deserve to know

[Berwickhibby]

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Someone should tell the 8 regional health boards in Scotland, they deserve to know

Closed A&E in Dunfermline to merge with Kirkcaldy,,,, I think they know

[ronaldo7]

Labour councillors in Glasgow won't be proposing an alternative budget to the SNP one.

It's like they've given up on democracy.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Someone should tell the 8 regional health boards in Scotland, they deserve to know

NHS Forth Valley brought under direct government control. I think they know.

[ronaldo7]

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NHS Forth Valley brought under direct government control. I think they know.

Permanent or special measures?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Someone should tell the 8 regional health boards in Scotland, they deserve to know

They all have to provide SG with Local Delivery Plans showing how they will meet SG's priorities. I think they know that too.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Permanent or special measures?

To be accurate, special measures is English terminology.

In Scotland we choose different desriptors (although they pretty much mean the same thing and people refer to SM here).

There isn't a timescale on how long a board stays in stage 4 or stage 5 on the performance escalation framework. Depends on the success of their recovery plan. Or potentially SG can dissolve the board.

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Health boards a bit different in that they are not tied to council areas and they do have to answer to someone so it has to be the SG.


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[ronaldo7]

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To be accurate, special measures is English terminology.

In Scotland we choose different desriptors (although they pretty much mean the same thing and people refer to SM here).

There isn't a timescale on how long a board stays in stage 4 or stage 5 on the performance escalation framework. Depends on the success of their recovery plan. Or potentially SG can dissolve the board.

Not permanent then. That's good to know. 👍

[Mibbes Aye]

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Not permanent then. That's good to know. 👍

I don''t think it's been that good for patients in Forth Valley.

[ronaldo7]

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I don''t think it's been that good for patients in Forth Valley.

I'm sure they're working hard on the plan you've indicated a few posts up. 👆

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Health boards a bit different in that they are not tied to council areas and they do have to answer to someone so it has to be the SG.


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They sort of are though. The SG enacted legislation in 2016 which compelled health boards to develop a scheme of integration with the, or any, councils that were located within the health board geography. Wise heads counselled that it mustn't just be structural reform, that path had been taken before and it ended in folly. But what happened?

Much structural reform, much upheavel, much cost all to pursue 'better outcomes' despite solid research evidence that structural reform does not lead to better outcomes by itself, working culture, processes and practices need addressed as well as the in-built hierarchies you get in health systems and between health and social care.

Five years later, it then gets unceremoniously dumped as the SG decides that a National Care Service, supporting Community Health and Social Care Boards is the way to go, the silver bullet, the panacea. With more upheaval and cost and uncertainty all in the post (or in the courier van, to keep it modern!).

It would be depressing and borderline absurd if it wasn't for the fact that this affects everybdy's lives, everybody's wellbeing. And none more so than the weak, the ill and the vulnerable.

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I'm sure they're working hard on the plan you've indicated a few posts up. 👆

I suspect you don't know what the recovery plan says, let alone what stage its actions are at. The ink is barely dry on any remedial work.

I'll stick with evidence rather than blind faith.

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It's not I'm afraid. If you read it properly you can see she's protesting about money being ring-fenced according to what mnisters want, not what councils want.

And councils are the closest tier of democracy in our lives.

Perhaps you're the one who should read my post "properly".

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It's not I'm afraid. If you read it properly you can see she's protesting about money being ring-fenced according to what mnisters want, not what councils want.

And councils are the closest tier of democracy in our lives.

Btw I'm sick of your condescending posts so don't bother answering.

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Perhaps you're the one who should read my post "properly".

You said she was complaining about the size of her budget. She isn't. She is complaining about being told what to do with it by SG.

[Jack]

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Closed A&E in Dunfermline to merge with Kirkcaldy,,,, I think they know

Fife HB.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Closed A&E in Dunfermline to merge with Kirkcaldy,,,, I think they know

The Victoria has been the main hospital in Fife for decades!!!

[Berwickhibby]

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The Victoria has been the main hospital in Fife for decades!!!

And Queen Margaret used to have an A & E ..what’s your point

[Moulin Yarns]

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And Queen Margaret used to have an A & E ..what’s your point

Not for 13 years!! Still has minor injuries service

[Berwickhibby]

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Not for 13 years!! Still has minor injuries service

Wow!! fantastic!! a minor injuries unit instead of the full A & E it used to have… Well Done

[ronaldo7]

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I suspect you don't know what the recovery plan says, let alone what stage its actions are at. The ink is barely dry on any remedial work.

I'll stick with evidence rather than blind faith.

No idea what the plan says. As I said though, I hope they're working on it, as I'm sure they are.

You'll be along to tell me differently if they're not.

[Jack]

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wow!! Fantastic!! A minor injuries unit instead of the full a & e it used to have… well done fife hb

ftfy 😉

[xyz23jc]

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They sort of are though. The SG enacted legislation in 2016 which compelled health boards to develop a scheme of integration with the, or any, councils that were located within the health board geography. Wise heads counselled that it mustn't just be structural reform, that path had been taken before and it ended in folly. But what happened?

Much structural reform, much upheavel, much cost all to pursue 'better outcomes' despite solid research evidence that structural reform does not lead to better outcomes by itself, working culture, processes and practices need addressed as well as the in-built hierarchies you get in health systems and between health and social care.

Five years later, it then gets unceremoniously dumped as the SG decides that a National Care Service, supporting Community Health and Social Care Boards is the way to go, the silver bullet, the panacea. With more upheaval and cost and uncertainty all in the post (or in the courier van, to keep it modern!).

It would be depressing and borderline absurd if it wasn't for the fact that this affects everybdy's lives, everybody's wellbeing. And none more so than the weak, the ill and the vulnerable.

Whataboutery mibbes, x10 doon sooth amigo..! Desafortunadamente..!

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No idea what the plan says. As I said though, I hope they're working on it, as I'm sure they are.

You'll be along to tell me differently if they're not.

I really won't. I only posted today because I found Shona Aitken's open letter to her party leader compelling. It chimes with stuff I've posted on here before about SG forcing councils to do what SG wants. Now, don't get me wrong - there's nothing new about that, other parties in power have done similar.

This time the twist is that we have an SNP council leader accusing her own party of 'denying democracy'.

And 'denying dempcracy' has been the relentless line from Sturgeon and her ministers against Westminster, repeated as they go round the country and appear on the media, stirring up apathy on the S35 order.

It is just difficult to see how sloganeering against one thing while doing it yourself is anything other than double standards? Or even just rank, venal hypocrisy?

[ronaldo7]

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I really won't. I only posted today because I found Shona Aitken's open letter to her party leader compelling. It chimes with stuff I've posted on here before about SG forcing councils to do what SG wants. Now, don't get me wrong - there's nothing new about that, other parties in power have done similar.

This time the twist is that we have an SNP council leader accusing her own party of 'denying democracy'.

And 'denying dempcracy' has been the relentless line from Sturgeon and her ministers against Westminster, repeated as they go round the country and appear on the media, stirring up apathy on the S35 order.

It is just difficult to see how sloganeering against one thing while doing it yourself is anything other than double standards? Or even just rank, venal hypocrisy?

Council leader standing up for her council shocker, whilst national government give ring fenced money to achieve targets on attainment amongst other things.

Your democracy denying is tenuous, to say the least, or are we not voting in council elections any time soon.

[Moulin Yarns]

For what it's worth, the £330million gap in Glasgow’s budget is due to the council having to settle the equal pay dispute that was historic under labour.

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For what it's worth, the £330million gap in Glasgow’s budget is due to the council having to settle the equal pay dispute that was historic under labour.

So far

It’s Westminster’s fault.
It’s the Councils fault.
It’s a long gone Labour administration’s fault.
Petrie on standby for a name check here.

[Moulin Yarns]

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So far

It’s Westminster’s fault.
It’s the Councils fault.
It’s a long gone Labour administration’s fault.
Petrie on standby for a name check here.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgows-770m-equal-pay-deal-25734705.amp