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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    https://fraserofallander.org/a-first...get-2023-2024/

    "The tax changes taken together are forecast to raise an additional £129 million in 2023/24."

    How far does £129M go in funding the NHS in Scotland?
    Further than not having £129 million would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Further than not having £129 million would.
    Indeed but it's not true to suggest a tax rise that raises £129M paid for the increased pay offer for NHS staff. Nowhere near it.

    From the SG website.

    "In a final offer made to trade unions, the new deal is worth an additional £515 million in 2022-23 and now includes a package of progressive measures to promote staff and patient safety, support long-term workforce sustainability and to recognise the breadth of skills and experience of NHS Scotland staff"

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    https://fraserofallander.org/a-first...get-2023-2024/

    "The tax changes taken together are forecast to raise an additional £129 million in 2023/24."

    How far does £129M go in funding the NHS in Scotland?
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    You said they raised it to pay for the rises, the government would never say that as one its playing people off and two its wrong as it pays for a number of things. You say if we raised other wages it would raise tax further and drive people out the country. That was Douglas Ross's and the Mail's patter when we raised the tax.

    The fact is the budget has went up by inflation but public sector workers wages have been decimated. Its redistribution of the money they used to get. I'm sure the money has went on worthwhile causes but the PS workers are being hammered too much. Its affecting us being able to get people to fill roles especially nursing

    Why then is this headline in this Guardian piece saying 1p for those over £43,666 to raise money for NHS ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Indeed but it's not true to suggest a tax rise that raises £129M paid for the increased pay offer for NHS staff. Nowhere near it.

    From the SG website.

    "In a final offer made to trade unions, the new deal is worth an additional £515 million in 2022-23 and now includes a package of progressive measures to promote staff and patient safety, support long-term workforce sustainability and to recognise the breadth of skills and experience of NHS Scotland staff"

    I don't think anyone is suggesting the 1p tax rise will pay for the NHS in total, it's to top up the kitty so as to allow them to offer more, that is plainly obvious in what I posted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    Not sure what you are expecting but let me get in their first with a couple,

    It's in the extreme right wing Spectator so obviously rubbish

    Stephen Daisley has been writing the same article for years now

    He is just out to get Nicola Sturgeon

    Why does he hate Scotland?

    Covered all bases I think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    My thoughts?

    Porn for unionists.

    Utter drivel from start to finish, but it's written with a particular audience in mind and I am not part of that audience.

    I don't believe that Sturgeon or the SNP have dealt with the recent issues well and I don't think that they have a remotely perfect record over the years but their mistakes haven't been enough to put me off supporting them in the bigger sense.

    The valid point he makes is that there is a total dearth of credible options either at Holyrood or Westminster who might positively convince me to vote for someone or something else.

    For example - Sturgeon and the SNP tying themselves in knots in the minefield that is transgender issues doesn't anger me nearly as much as Zahawi's tax affairs or the fact that we have to tolerate the UK PM making speeches in front of printed "stop the boats" messages, both of which are vile and I'd like any country I consider my own to be as distant from as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    Hard-nosed journo using a wedge issue as a platform for a diatribe.

    Old as the hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Radicalised by hyperbolising the blame for everything on Sturgeon, probably has a horrendous looking Facebook page.

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    Says more about anyone sharing it than any of the 'topics' the actual drivel itself is meant to cover.

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    That's awful, high profile women seem to be subject to this ***** far too often. It'd be good for people of all political persuasions to call this bollox out
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    That's awful, high profile women seem to be subject to this ***** far too often. It'd be good for people of all political persuasions to call this bollox out
    This Conservative voter is calling this out Mr Grieves

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    Stephen Daisley, The Spectator. Immediate thoughts are that I'd rather stick my knob in a cheese grater than read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    That's awful, high profile women seem to be subject to this ***** far too often. It'd be good for people of all political persuasions to call this bollox out
    You have to wonder how he got to that stage in imagining what he did.

    Let's hope, Nicola has plenty of security around to fend off the nutters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    How many times are you going to come out with this guff? They leased the rights to the seabed and will reap the benefits of energy generation in the future!
    Doesn't look like guff now.

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    "SCOTLAND is expected to lose £60bn including billions from the public purse through the surrender of nearly two thirds of the potential supply chain bonanza and the 'underselling' of leasing rights for the offshore wind revolution, the Herald on Scotland can reveal"

    From your friends at Commonweal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
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    Radicalised by hyperbolising the blame for everything on Sturgeon, probably has a horrendous looking Facebook page.

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    One guess as to which team he supports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lendo View Post
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    One guess as to which team he supports.
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    Not sure what thread to post this on.

    Nicola Sturgeon had published all of her Tax Returns since 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Not sure what thread to post this on.

    Nicola Sturgeon had published all of her Tax Returns since 2014.
    Do we have a date for other Leaders to do so?

    Is it true that she only receives her Salary as FM and nothing else. Is taxed at the full salary, but only receives cash at 2008/9 levels, with the remainder going into the public purse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Do we have a date for other Leaders to do so?

    Is it true that she only receives her Salary as FM and nothing else. Is taxed at the full salary, but only receives cash at 2008/9 levels, with the remainder going into the public purse?
    This is how I understand it:-

    Her full salary is paid by SG.

    The NIC on the full salary, Employees and Employers, goes to Westminster.

    Similarly, the IT until a few years ago. Now it goes to.the SG.

    Of her net salary, a percentage is diverted back to the SG.

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    Is it true that she only receives her Salary as FM and nothing else. Is taxed at the full salary, but only receives cash at 2008/9 levels, with the remainder going into the public purse?
    Yep, £1.3 million.

    This really shouldn't be a big deal and all politicians should be completely open about their financial affairs. Hopefully others are asked and follow suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    This is how I understand it:-

    Her full salary is paid by SG.

    The NIC on the full salary, Employees and Employers, goes to Westminster.

    Similarly, the IT until a few years ago. Now it goes to.the SG.

    Of her net salary, a percentage is diverted back to the SG.
    Thanks G.

    Do you know if the other Leaders will publish theirs? Anas Sarwar would be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berwickhibby View Post
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    My god how is she expected to manage on £1.3m annually plus expenses ….
    Think you have misread.

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    My god how is she expected to manage on £1.3m annually plus expenses ….
    £1.3 million has went back into the public purse from Scottish ministers having a wage freeze....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berwickhibby View Post
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    My god how is she expected to manage on £1.3m annually plus expenses ….
    Oh dear.

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    She was pretty evasive when talking about her husband lending the SNP £100K. Did the "I can't recall" line used in the past. Surely as husband and wife they talked about lending a huge sum of money and the optics of lending it to the party she leads and the party her husband is the Chief Exec of? I don't believe it when she says she doesn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    I don't believe it when she says she doesn't know.
    Wow there's a shock. Is this because she's the most evil in all the land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
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    Wow there's a shock. Is this because she's the most evil in all the land?

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    If it was any other politician I would say the same. If your husband is the CEO of the party that you lead you don't think they had talks about lending over £100K, even you must have your doubts. Actually probably not, she can do no wrong. Saint Nicola.

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