SNP are lying b******s as well !

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How many times are you going to come out with this guff? They leased the rights to the seabed and will reap the benefits of energy generation in the future!

Didn't actually see this guff until it was quoted. They leased it at a pittance BP and shell will make billions from it, its the exact same as what happened to our oil, we get a pay off for the most evil companies getting billions upon billions

You champion the common weal until they completely contract you on the subject, I'd trust their analysis over both of ours. The proposition they put to the snp was so good Welsh Labour said can we please use it

30-50 million to go to Scotland each year from 3.5 to 5.5 billion profits for the energy companies

https://commonweal.scot/policies/scotwind-privatising-scotlands-future-again/

ScotWind: Privatising Scotland’s Future Again

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How many times are you going to come out with this guff? They leased the rights to the seabed and will reap the benefits of energy generation in the future!

I see Stairway27 already posted it but as a fan of Commonweal I take it you totally disagree with their analysis on this, why are they wrong?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64406674

The same Somerville?

Where does it mention the industrial action having been resolved? Which I think was the point OP was making when saying the Ed Sec needs replaced.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64406674

The same Somerville?

This isn't related to resolving the strikes with a pay deal. It's actually Somerville rowing back on Sturgeon's claim last week that she respected the autonomy of councils to balance their budgets. It appears the SG will now impose council cuts where they see fit, not where the council wants. It's basically to try and stem the number of teachers leaving the profession. Instead of building steadily towards Sturgeon's 2026 target, teacher numbers are actually declining. Not a good look for an FM who claims she wants to be judged on her education record.

Teacher strikes, meanwhile roll on uninterrupted.

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This isn't related to resolving the strikes with a pay deal. It's actually Somerville rowing back on Sturgeon's claim last week that she respected the autonomy of councils to balance their budgets. It appears the SG will now impose council cuts where they see fit, not where the council wants. It's basically to try and stem the number of teachers leaving the profession. Instead of building steadily towards Sturgeon's 2026 target, teacher numbers are actually declining. Not a good look for an FM who claims she wants to be judged on her education record.

Teacher strikes, meanwhile roll on uninterrupted.

Good point, last week it was all about respecting the council's autonomy and how they make their own decisions. This week it's let's just ignore that because they are making decisions that don't look good so we will take over and make decisions for them.

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I find HH's and J310's relish for industrial action confusing given their Tory sympathies, but I am sure they have free market reasons for attacking the employer. Fair dos.

What's the solution then? Where is the money coming from?

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I find HH's and J310's relish for industrial action confusing given their Tory sympathies, but I am sure they have free market reasons for attacking the employer. Fair dos.

What's the solution then? Where is the money coming from?

Where is my relish for Industrial action? My 2 kids were out of school all day on Wednesday and in previous weeks as well, I would much rather they were in school learning, especially my eldest who has her NAT5s this year.

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Where is my relish for Industrial action? My 2 kids were out of school all day on Wednesday and in previous weeks as well, I would much rather they were in school learning, especially my eldest who has her NAT5s this year.

You've used it plenty to have a pop at the SG. I can understand your frustration though if you've got kids affected. Not relish on your part, I apologise.

What is the solution?

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You've used it plenty to have a pop at the SG. I can understand your frustration though if you've got kids affected. Not relish on your part, I apologise.

What is the solution?

I was commenting on the fact last week the narrative was about how the SG respect the autonomy of the councils and it's up to them how they allocate their budget, but this week the SG are stepping in to tell Glasgow Council how to spend their budget. Surely you see that's a different position?

A teacher on debate night said they haven't got round the table for weeks, that would be a start to finding the solution.

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What is the solution?

Pay them.
I have no sympathy for the employer no matter who they are though.

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I think the problem is that the money just isn't there or it can only be sourced from slashing elsewhere. I support the teachers, I just worry that this isn't one they can win which is bad for them and bad for the future of education.

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I think the problem is that the money just isn't there or it can only be sourced from slashing elsewhere. I support the teachers, I just worry that this isn't one they can win which is bad for them and bad for the future of education.

Agree but this was November 2022.

"Scotland strikes: 'We don't have more money' to pay NHS staff, declares Humza Yousaf"

A few weeks later,

"Nurses accept increased pay offer in Scotland and call off strikes"

You can't blame the teachers for holding out for more can you.

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Agree but this was November 2022.

"Scotland strikes: 'We don't have more money' to pay NHS staff, declares Humza Yousaf"

A few weeks later,

"Nurses accept increased pay offer in Scotland and call off strikes"

You can't blame the teachers for holding out for more can you.

The money can always be found.

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I was commenting on the fact last week the narrative was about how the SG respect the autonomy of the councils and it's up to them how they allocate their budget, but this week the SG are stepping in to tell Glasgow Council how to spend their budget. Surely you see that's a different position?

A teacher on debate night said they haven't got round the table for weeks, that would be a start to finding the solution.

Like a kind of section 35 order. Disgraceful.

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Like a kind of section 35 order. Disgraceful.

So are you agreeing the SNP are doing the same thing you accused the Tories of? Ok.

Personally I think it's quite different and under totally different circumstances.

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I think the problem is that the money just isn't there or it can only be sourced from slashing elsewhere. I support the teachers, I just worry that this isn't one they can win which is bad for them and bad for the future of education.

That's from the political class's book of quotes. 10 years ago the snp had a budget passed. That budget has risen in line with inflation. In the same time teachers wages have dropped 28% adjusted for inflation. They have chosen to constantly cut public sector workers wages until breaking point

The question should be is the policy to pay public sector workers the lowest that they will accept without striking. No left wing snp supporter can with a clear conscience be against the workers and for the neolib snp here

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That's from the political class's book of quotes. 10 years ago the snp had a budget passed. That budget has risen in line with inflation. In the same time teachers wages have dropped 28% adjusted for inflation. They have chosen to constantly cut public sector workers wages until breaking point

The question should be is the policy to pay public sector workers the lowest that they will accept without striking. No left wing snp supporter can with a clear conscience be against the workers and for the neolib snp here

I said earlier that I support the teachers.

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I said earlier that I support the teachers.

That's just a quote. Saying the money isn't there and this is one they can't win and its bad for education, isn't supporting them

Supporting them is saying the pathetic UK and Scottish governments have deliberately kept on decreasing there wages for a decade. The budget hasn't changed, just what the government's think is acceptable to pay public sector workers has changed. They must strike its their last hope and resort. No one cares more about kids education than them, this won't be easy but something has to give.

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That's just a quote. Saying the money isn't there and this is one they can't win and its bad for education, isn't supporting them

Supporting them is saying the pathetic UK and Scottish governments have deliberately kept on decreasing there wages for a decade. The budget hasn't changed, just what the government's think is acceptable to pay public sector workers has changed. They must strike its their last hope and resort. No one cares more about kids education than them, this won't be easy but something has to give.

I mean, if GL says he supports them - it’s probably not up to you to tell him what he has to say for that to be true.

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I mean, if GL says he supports them - it’s probably not up to you to tell him what he has to say for that to be true.

I'm not judging as a person but on what we put on here which is what we all do. People constantly saying the money isn't there is definitely the opposite of support imo

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I think the problem is that the money just isn't there or it can only be sourced from slashing elsewhere. I support the teachers, I just worry that this isn't one they can win which is bad for them and bad for the future of education.

The IFS guy that was involved in yesterday's announcement on Scotland's fiscal position within the current uk framework said on good morning Scotland that to increase NHS and net zero funding by 2% everything else would need to reduce by 14%.

Guess net zero is going to get kicked into the long grass.

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I'm not judging as a person but on what we put on here which is what we all do. People constantly saying the money isn't there is definitely the opposite of support imo

I said them losing would be bad for education.

Ever since Thatcher us on the left have predicted that following a low tax policy would cause disaster. I think it's arrived. If we meant it then (or later if you're just a pup!) it shouldn't be a total surprise that it's actually happening.

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I mean, if GL says he supports them - it’s probably not up to you to tell him what he has to say for that to be true.

Cheers, WR.

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Agree but this was November 2022.

"Scotland strikes: 'We don't have more money' to pay NHS staff, declares Humza Yousaf"

A few weeks later,

"Nurses accept increased pay offer in Scotland and call off strikes"

You can't blame the teachers for holding out for more can you.

Did they not raise income tax by 1p for higher earnings to pay for it, imagine if we did that for all industries, you'd tax people out of the country.

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Did they not raise income tax by 1p for higher earnings to pay for it, imagine if we did that for all industries, you'd tax people out of the country.

No they didn't raise income tax to just pay this so the second part is mute. I'm pleased they raised the tax though I'd do it further. That is separate from the fact that they paid the public sector far higher 10 years ago with the same budget restraints

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The IFS guy that was involved in yesterday's announcement on Scotland's fiscal position within the current uk framework said on good morning Scotland that to increase NHS and net zero funding by 2% everything else would need to reduce by 14%.

Guess net zero is going to get kicked into the long grass.

I don't doubt the IFS guy's arithmetic, but talk about increases of 2% or 20% or whatever, obscure the real systemic issues IMO.

One of the main issues is a lack of recognition that what the NHS does very well is keep people alive for longer, whilst in ill-health. Average life expectancy rises for people living with long-term conditions or morbidities (things varying from COPD to diabetes to liver disease etc etc). This means ever-increasing needs for medical intervenions and treatments, which cost more and more and happen more and more. In terms of hospital beds, that means people needing longer whilst medically unfit, to then need longer when medically fit because there isn't the necessary care in place at home.

That isn't an argument for eugenics or anything like that, I hasten to add. Positive solutions really rest on early intervention and prevention. And by early that means looking at all the issues that lead to medical interventions years or decades later.

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No they didn't raise income tax to just pay this so the second part is mute. I'm pleased they raised the tax though I'd do it further. That is separate from the fact that they paid the public sector far higher 10 years ago with the same budget restraints

Scotland to raise income tax by 1p for those on over £43,666 to raise money for NHS – as it happened | Politics | The Guardian

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Scotland to raise income tax by 1p for those on over £43,666 to raise money for NHS – as it happened | Politics | The Guardian

https://fraserofallander.org/a-first...get-2023-2024/

"The tax changes taken together are forecast to raise an additional £129 million in 2023/24."

How far does £129M go in funding the NHS in Scotland?

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You said they raised it to pay for the rises, the government would never say that as one its playing people off and two its wrong as it pays for a number of things. You say if we raised other wages it would raise tax further and drive people out the country. That was Douglas Ross's and the Mail's patter when we raised the tax.

The fact is the budget has went up by inflation but public sector workers wages have been decimated. Its redistribution of the money they used to get. I'm sure the money has went on worthwhile causes but the PS workers are being hammered too much. Its affecting us being able to get people to fill roles especially nursing

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How far does £129M go in funding the NHS in Scotland?

Might as well not raise taxes at all.