The Trans Rights Debate

[James310]

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What was it?

That the rapist was in a woman's prison? Is that not true?

[Kato]

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That the rapist was in a woman's prison? Is that not true?

Don't you like detail?

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[147lothian]

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That the rapist was in a woman's prison? Is that not true?

It is true and unless a CNN team turn up at Saughton Prison there could be more. Edinburgh male prisoner Albert Cabellero who abducted and raped his female care worker has changed name to Claire and has been boasting that he will be in a woman's prison before being released, this is the danger inherent in the transwomen are women mantra, that reducing being a women to an identity category rather than the reality of biological sex.

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That the rapist was in a woman's prison? Is that not true?

I have no idea. But it doesn't matter what I know, since we have you on the forum with your immense and completely accurate knowledge of every single thing that happens in Scotland. And you are never wrong. Amazing.

[James310]

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I have no idea. But it doesn't matter what I know, since we have you on the forum with your immense and completely accurate knowledge of every single thing that happens in Scotland. And you are never wrong. Amazing.

You have no idea, so why you commenting and asking? 😂 I have no idea about this but will comment and ask questions.

[WeeRussell]

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Where was he placed in isolation?

Cornton Vale, a woman's prison. Is that incorrect?

Just checking you do know what ‘isolation’ means Jamesy boy?

[James310]

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Just checking you do know what ‘isolation’ means’ Jamesy boy?

You do know what a woman's prison is? Why is he being moved if he would continually be in isolation? Russellboy?

Is Cornton Vale a woman's prison? Yes. Was this rapist held in Cornton Vale? Yes.

Why do you think he is being moved?

[ronaldo7]

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To be fair... the placement was done by the courts, the Prison Service have him/her in isolation while they do their risk assessment and he's almost certainly going to be moved to a male prison as a result of that assessment.
The FM is on record as making her views known to the SPS but not "officially".
I imagine if the SPS decide to keep him in a female prison the the Scottish Government might step in and make it official.

Correct.

I think they have 72 hours to make the assessment. Now in Saughton

[James310]

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Correct.

I think they have 72 hours to make the assessment. Now in Saughton

Is he really in Saughton? Surely by the logic of some (not you) he actually isn't in Saughton, he is in "isolation".

But yeah he is in Saughton just like he was in Cornton Vale.

[grunt]

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You have no idea, so why you commenting and asking?

If I don't know something, I ask in order to find out. Doesn't everyone?

Does your insight come to you fully formed?

[ronaldo7]

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Is he really in Saughton? Surely by the logic of some (not you) he actually isn't in Saughton, he is in "isolation".

But yeah he is in Saughton just like he was in Cornton Vale.

It's been reported by the media.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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Is he really in Saughton? Surely by the logic of some (not you) he actually isn't in Saughton, he is in "isolation".

But yeah he is in Saughton just like he was in Cornton Vale.

why do i get the feeling you're getting a wee kick out of saying 'him' repeatedly?

to be clear, i'm not defending the rapist - just questioning whether you might be being slightly disingenuous in your concerns.

[Stairway 2 7]

Where is katie dolatowski. Sexual assault of a girl and assaulted a male prisoner when a man

[James310]

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why do i get the feeling you're getting a wee kick out of saying 'him' repeatedly?

to be clear, i'm not defending the rapist - just questioning whether you might be being slightly disingenuous in your concerns.

Just following the law, but nice to see you have some sympathy for how he is addressed. Poor him.

https://twitter.com/JennyMarra/statu...5qSbwpyJQ&s=19

"Let’s also remember that any media organisation that tomorrow calls the convicted rapist “she” is also not complying with the law. They are following IPSO @IpsoNews guidance which is not legally compliant and has been captured like the Scottish Prison Service."

Would you have made his victims call him "she" and "her"?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Just following the law, but nice to see you have some sympathy for how he is addressed. Poor him.

https://twitter.com/JennyMarra/statu...5qSbwpyJQ&s=19

Let’s also remember that any media organisation that tomorrow calls the convicted rapist “she” is also not complying with the law. They are following IPSO @IpsoNews guidance which is not legally compliant and has been captured like the Scottish Prison Service.

Would you have made his victims call him "she" and "her"?

I wasn't aware that the law has a say about the use of pronouns. Happy to be pointed in the right direction.

[James310]

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I wasn't aware that the law has a say about the use of pronouns. Happy to be pointed in the right direction.

I have no idea what the actual law is (Grunt will be happy something I don't know) but what I do know is for the sake of the victims it feels wrong and shows no sensitivity to their feelings, which should always come above the rapists and what we refer to them as. Imagine reading about "her" and "she" especially in this case when the victims were raped by a man.

[WeeRussell]

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You do know what a woman's prison is? Why is he being moved if he would continually be in isolation? Russellboy?

Is Cornton Vale a woman's prison? Yes. Was this rapist held in Cornton Vale? Yes.

Why do you think he is being moved?

Don’t think anyone has denied that Cornton Vale is a women’s prison or that this particular person was in the place. They are just wondering why you are up in arms about it… wouldn’t other inmates be more at risk from staff, visitors, or any other human being that set foot in the building, than someone held in isolation?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Don’t think anyone has denied that Cornton Vale is a women’s prison or that this particular person was in the place. They are just wondering why you are up in arms about it… wouldn’t other inmates be more at risk from staff, visitors, or any other human being that set foot in the building, than someone held in isolation?

The maximum she would have been in isolation is 72 hours, after that it's against the law. They would have to change the law but that would take some time. The only reason they were stopped from being reintroduced was the gov was forced into a u-turn. katie dolatowskiis mixing with females now. That's after sexualy assaulting a girl and assaulting a male prisoner whilst waiting to become a female

[CropleyWasGod]

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I have no idea what the actual law is (Grunt will be happy something I don't know) but what I do know is for the sake of the victims it feels wrong and shows no sensitivity to their feelings, which should always come above the rapists and what we refer to them as. Imagine reading about "her" and "she" especially in this case when the victims were raped by a man.

There is no such law as far as I can see.

So you won't be huckled for using feminine pronouns.

[ronaldo7]

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I wasn't aware that the law has a say about the use of pronouns. Happy to be pointed in the right direction.

I'd just like the Scottish prison service released, and those who captured them punished.

Who are these people. 👀

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This thread has now jumped the shark.

[James310]

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There is no such law as far as I can see.

So you won't be huckled for using feminine pronouns.

I am sure it matters to the victims.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I am sure it matters to the victims.

No doubt.

But I was referring to your insistence that you were "just following the law".

[CropleyWasGod]

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This thread has now jumped the shark.

Gonna need a bigger website.

[archie]

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The maximum she would have been in isolation is 72 hours, after that it's against the law. They would have to change the law but that would take some time. The only reason they were stopped from being reintroduced was the gov was forced into a u-turn. katie dolatowskiis mixing with females now. That's after sexualy assaulting a girl and assaulting a male prisoner whilst waiting to become a female

And that's the key issue here amongst all this disassembling nonsense. In addition, the position appears to have changed on the hoof. Yesterday it was a matter for the SPS. So what happened today?

[Ozyhibby]

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And that's the key issue here amongst all this disassembling nonsense. In addition, the position appears to have changed on the hoof. Yesterday it was a matter for the SPS. So what happened today?

Nothing. All that happened today was the FM explained the situation. All the rest was made up nonsense.


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[Keith_M]

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Some will call it transphobic, most will call it common sense

Uk gov to change the law so no one with a ***** will be housed in a female prison. Trans males regardless of genitalia won't be put in a female prison if they are convicted of a sexual offence.

This all could and should have happened with GRA ammendments

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...licy-framework

Good to hear.

I see Sturgeon has now given in to the obvious outrage over this story and said this rapist is not going to a woman's prison after all.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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Just following the law, but nice to see you have some sympathy for how he is addressed. Poor him.

https://twitter.com/JennyMarra/statu...5qSbwpyJQ&s=19

"Let’s also remember that any media organisation that tomorrow calls the convicted rapist “she” is also not complying with the law. They are following IPSO @IpsoNews guidance which is not legally compliant and has been captured like the Scottish Prison Service."

Would you have made his victims call him "she" and "her"?

absolutely zero sympathy for a rapist here, obviously - like I said, it just seemed to me that you were using 'he' as much as was possible and enjoying it, or making some kind of point of it. happy to be wrong.

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This seems on the collage. They are saying they had no knowledge of the offence and she had already changed her name.

@NicholaKane_
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Exclusive -STV News has learned double rapist Adam Graham, who was sent to Cornton Vale prison after identifying as a woman, attended a beauty course at a Ayrshire College while awaiting trial for the attacks - taking classes alongside young girls

[degenerated]

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It's impossible to compare those countries. It would be like comparing a potato to a tumshie.

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