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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    No one ever remembers that the £40m figure so often cast up was made by the Scottish Office (so, yes, Westminster) before any location had been identified and before any plans drawn up for the building. A figure almost literally plucked from the air. But it was useful as a stick to hit Scotland with ... and it still is, as posters on here demonstrate.
    Any old angle will do, doesn't have to be accurate or even remotely factual. Nothing in the UK works properly, there is a lot more wrecking and wastefulness coming this year with the "bonfire of EU regulations" but the parochial vendettas must be adhered to.

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    Another move towards direct rule from London. They have got rid of devolution in NI, Scotland is next.


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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-64337970

    Fair Isle residents seem pretty chuffed.

    And in further good news for the islands...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-64330367

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-64337970

    Fair Isle residents seem pretty chuffed.

    And in further good news for the islands...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-64330367
    I'm sure they are.

    Are you happy with the settled will of the Scottish people being undermined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-64337970

    Fair Isle residents seem pretty chuffed.

    And in further good news for the islands...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-64330367
    Second one is like the city deals where they are jointly funded and delivered by both governments, which is how it should be. The first one bypassing the Scottish Parliament is not how things should happen.
    There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    Second one is like the city deals where they are jointly funded and delivered by both governments, which is how it should be. The first one bypassing the Scottish Parliament is not how things should happen.
    Indeed it is another example of ignoring democracy. We voted for the Scottish parliament to deal with devolved areas but it is being taken away from us without a vote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    No one ever remembers that the £40m figure so often cast up was made by the Scottish Office (so, yes, Westminster) before any location had been identified and before any plans drawn up for the building. A figure almost literally plucked from the air. But it was useful as a stick to hit Scotland with ... and it still is, as posters on here demonstrate.

    perhaps I’ve got the wrong end of the stick, I’m sure Jack can clarify, I thought he was criticising WM rather than holyrood/Scotland in what he said…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    Second one is like the city deals where they are jointly funded and delivered by both governments, which is how it should be. The first one bypassing the Scottish Parliament is not how things should happen.
    Maybe what we should be doing is questioning why the funding was not made available sooner for the Fair Isle ferry, the islanders have been asking for long enough. Politics is supposed to be about delivering for people, something that seems to be completely forgotten about as people concentrate on supporting their own political favourites. (See the ongoing ferry build saga, the islanders who have had their lives blighted by a second rate service are rarely given a thought. I may have mentioned this several times before. )
    If you have travelled to Fair Isle by sea you will know that it requires a specialised and therefore much more expensive vessel capable of making the sea passage from Shetland and servicing their small harbour. . There was a fair bit spent on infrastructure in the early 90s improving the jetties etc but what was really needed, even back then , is a proper Ro Ro service. I’m glad they are finally going to get one. I’d love to be there to join in the celebrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Maybe what we should be doing is questioning why the funding was not made available sooner for the Fair Isle ferry, the islanders have been asking for long enough. Politics is supposed to be about delivering for people, something that seems to be completely forgotten about as people concentrate on supporting their own political favourites. (See the ongoing ferry build saga, the islanders who have had their lives blighted by a second rate service are rarely given a thought. I may have mentioned this several times before. )
    If you have travelled to Fair Isle by sea you will know that it requires a specialised and therefore much more expensive vessel capable of making the sea passage from Shetland and servicing their small harbour. . There was a fair bit spent on infrastructure in the early 90s improving the jetties etc but what was really needed, even back then , is a proper Ro Ro service. I’m glad they are finally going to get one. I’d love to be there to join in the celebrations.
    I saw the pictures of a car being lifted on or off the boat and flashed back to the early 1970s, going to Lewis and that's how they were loaded back then. Seems crazy nowadays. Don't suppose most goods go by plane?
    There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Maybe what we should be doing is questioning why the funding was not made available sooner for the Fair Isle ferry, the islanders have been asking for long enough. Politics is supposed to be about delivering for people, something that seems to be completely forgotten about as people concentrate on supporting their own political favourites. (See the ongoing ferry build saga, the islanders who have had their lives blighted by a second rate service are rarely given a thought. I may have mentioned this several times before. )
    If you have travelled to Fair Isle by sea you will know that it requires a specialised and therefore much more expensive vessel capable of making the sea passage from Shetland and servicing their small harbour. . There was a fair bit spent on infrastructure in the early 90s improving the jetties etc but what was really needed, even back then , is a proper Ro Ro service. I’m glad they are finally going to get one. I’d love to be there to join in the celebrations.
    Let’s wait and see if they ever get it.


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    Leader of Glasgow City Council not happy with levelling up funds allocation / process:

    We’ve been analysing today’s so-called Levelling Up outcomes. In short, it’s nothing of the sort. It takes money away from deprived urban areas to give to wealthy towns. It blatantly targets resources away from some of the most socially & economically challenged communities

    The value of Levelling Up projects in Scotland is £348m of which Glasgow has been awarded 3.7%. Based on our population share it should have been 3 times that. Based on the proportion of people living in Scotland’s most deprived communities it should be 15 times as much

    This has turned out not to be the open bidding process we were told it would be. It has actually *cost* Glasgow money. Based on the evidence of these outcomes, we’ve major concerns the process has been seriously skewed & I’ve raised this with Michael Gove today

    Nowhere offers a greater opportunity to level up than Glasgow. Yet some of the wealthiest areas of the country have been supported at the expense of areas with the greatest need. On every metric, the UK government has failed to level up and has failed Glasgow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    Leader of Glasgow City Council not happy with levelling up funds allocation / process:
    That's a surprise.

    While the leader of Shetland council is delighted, sounds like it will really change people's life's for the better. What's not to like.

    "It's no exaggeration to say that this funding from the UK government has saved Fair Isle as an inhabited island," she says.

    "There would have been no other way for us to sustainably fund such a project.

    "This is a truly great day for Fair Isle and for Shetland and we are grateful for the honest, open and productive dialogue we have had with the Scotland Office and the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities throughout the process."

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    Quote Originally Posted by McD View Post
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    perhaps I’ve got the wrong end of the stick, I’m sure Jack can clarify, I thought he was criticising WM rather than holyrood/Scotland in what he said…
    Yeah a Westminster fail.

    Also it wasn't a Scottish Office failure. The people/staff responsible for the Holyrood project were parachuted in to Scottish Office open plan office space but didn't really mix with the locals, doing similar but smaller projects.

    It was a time when there were smoking rooms in office buildings and I shared one with folk working on the other projects. We weren't kept short of gossip!
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    Leader of Glasgow City Council not happy with levelling up funds allocation / process:
    Voters in conservative seats got nearly £20 more per head than voters in similarly deprived non-tory constituencies in the latest round of hunger games UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
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    Yeah a Westminster fail.

    Also it wasn't a Scottish Office failure. The people/staff responsible for the Holyrood project were parachuted in to Scottish Office open plan office space but didn't really mix with the locals, doing similar but smaller projects.

    It was a time when there were smoking rooms in office buildings and I shared one with folk working on the other projects. We weren't kept short of gossip!
    I was in those smoking rooms too. Not all staff were interdepartmental transfers, a fair number were existing staff who had been redeployed. I learnt early in my working life you should never listen to gossips, what they don't know they make up.

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    That's a surprise.

    While the leader of Shetland council is delighted, sounds like it will really change people's life's for the better. What's not to like.

    "It's no exaggeration to say that this funding from the UK government has saved Fair Isle as an inhabited island," she says.

    "There would have been no other way for us to sustainably fund such a project.

    "This is a truly great day for Fair Isle and for Shetland and we are grateful for the honest, open and productive dialogue we have had with the Scotland Office and the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities throughout the process."
    "family left homeless after the government repossess home are delighted when given a tent"

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    While the leader of Shetland council is delighted, sounds like it will really change people's life's for the better. What's not to like.
    One of the benefits of this funding has been the opportunity to set council against council, Scot against Scot. "What's not to like" indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875 View Post
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    "family left homeless after the government repossess home are delighted when given a tent"
    I am missing something, who had their home repossessed by the Government and what's that got to do with the story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    One of the benefits of this funding has been the opportunity to set council against council, Scot against Scot. "What's not to like" indeed.
    Funnily enough most people won't see it like that.

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    I am missing something, who had their home repossessed by the Government and what's that got to do with the story?
    Indeed.

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    Funnily enough most people won't see it like that.
    And this is why we've got a Tory Government in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glory Lurker View Post
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    I'm sure they are.

    Are you happy with the settled will of the Scottish people being undermined?
    I am glad you too dislike the snp ignoring the settled will of the Scottish people in 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    Voters in conservative seats got nearly £20 more per head than voters in similarly deprived non-tory constituencies in the latest round of hunger games UK.
    Millions wasted in daft, expensive applications as well. Still some consultancy firms will have made healthy profits with nothing show for it, which the Tory Party loves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    I am glad you too dislike the snp ignoring the settled will of the Scottish people in 2014
    ****ing wey hey, did we unilaterally leave the union and I mist it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    ****ing wey hey, did we unilaterally leave the union and I mist it?
    Do you even get a vote in Scotland?

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    Let’s wait and see if they ever get it.


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    They may certainly be waiting a long time if they let the SG anywhere near the tendering process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    They may certainly be waiting a long time if they let the SG anywhere near the tendering process.
    Made me chuckle

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    They may certainly be waiting a long time if they let the SG anywhere near the tendering process.
    One of the funniest things I've ever read on here. Been chuckling to myself about that one. 😉

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    Supporters of this UK Government levelling up allocation will no doubt be pleased that Edinburgh's King's Theatre was unsuccessful in its bid for funding and will likely close for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berwickhibby View Post
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    Made me chuckle
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    One of the funniest things I've ever read on here. Been chuckling to myself about that one. ��
    This must be the reason there are so few Tory comedians. Maybe have to call you the chuckle brothers from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    They may certainly be waiting a long time if they let the SG anywhere near the tendering process.
    I've asked this if you before and you keep blanking it. Can you give us all some perspective on the aircraft carriers and Ajax armoured vehicles as you are such an expert on procurement and completion of public projects. I won't hold my breath

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    Supporters of this UK Government levelling up allocation will no doubt be pleased that Edinburgh's King's Theatre was unsuccessful in its bid for funding and will likely close for good.
    Why would anyone be pleased at that news?

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