Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[Kato]

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[Ozyhibby]

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That’s unlikely to happen but we’ll be living behind a very expensive and ugly sea wall.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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That’s unlikely to happen but we’ll be living behind a very expensive and ugly sea wall.


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I'm alright 😁 ( immediately above the T in Central Scotland)

[Ozyhibby]

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I'm alright ( immediately above the T in Central Scotland)

I’ll be alright on the South Island as well. If the SG ever get these ferries ready, we might be be able to go to the North Island for our holidays.


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[judas]

No point worrying about things I can’t control.

I do what I can as a responsible citizen who does care. My effect is about nil.

Listened to a climate activist earlier today though, she was in tears and telling us she ‘didn’t have a future’. Thought it slightly pathetic.

Mankind will not sniff the challenge that has been set for numerous reasons, not least that the target is too big and near and the complexity of modern societies is such that it cannot turn the ship quickly enough.

Not losing any sleep.

[marinello59]

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The technology thing is just capitalists trying to retain the status quo and push ahead with things as way they are, as if everything is normal and a CO2 extraction machine that doesn't exist yet will fix everything.

You can't technology yourself out of an economic system that requires infinite growth on a planet than has finite resources.


The fact there is probably half a dozen climate threads on a fitba forum in the last 6-12 months gives me a small glimmer of hope change is coming.

Capitalism is incapable of fixing things, we need revolutionary change. It’s a pity we don’t have a Green Party worthy of the name in Scotland but the Just Stop Oil protestors give me hope that there are people out there willing to challenge things head on.

[Jones28]

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No point worrying about things I can’t control.

I do what I can as a responsible citizen who does care. My effect is about nil.

Listened to a climate activist earlier today though, she was in tears and telling us she ‘didn’t have a future’. Thought it slightly pathetic.

Mankind will not sniff the challenge that has been set for numerous reasons, not least that the target is too big and near and the complexity of modern societies is such that it cannot turn the ship quickly enough.

Not losing any sleep.

Why did you think it was pathetic?

[danhibees1875]

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Capitalism is incapable of fixing things, we need revolutionary change. It’s a pity we don’t have a Green Party worthy of the name in Scotland but the Just Stop Oil protestors give me hope that there are people out there willing to challenge things head on.

It might not be as black and white as that with capitalism.

As the worm turns on consumer habits and society becomes more and more demanding of greener products from environmentally responsible producers then companies will go down that path. Couple that with responsible legislation from government and councils to push things in that direction and for transparency from business then you'd start to build something within the capitalism framework.

The whole thing still has a cloud of mystery behind it. How many of us know the environmental impact of our day to day decisions? Driving to X for a day out, or flying to Y for a holiday - it would take some time to find out what those emissions counted up to, and what the cost of that destruction equates to in real terms. Of course it would also take great sacrifice to not subsequently do those things - another step people are unlikely to willingly take.

[Pretty Boy]

£23.40 for a return ticket from Edinburgh to Croy tonight. 40 minutes on the train on one of the main commuter trains in Scotland.

If we want to tempt people out their cars and onto public transport we need to be doing far better than that.

[Pretty Boy]

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£23.40 for a return ticket from Edinburgh to Croy tonight. 40 minutes on the train on one of the main commuter trains in Scotland.

If we want to tempt people out their cars and onto public transport we need to be doing far better than that.

I'll add that the carriage I'm in has 2 other people in it, peak time service and it's dead and no wonder.

[speedy_gonzales]

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£23.40 for a return ticket from Edinburgh to Croy tonight. 40 minutes on the train on one of the main commuter trains in Scotland.

If we want to tempt people out their cars and onto public transport we need to be doing far better than that.

Probably not what you need/want to hear but that journey can be done for around £18.30 by using "split" tickets.
It's perfectly legit, return from Waverley to Edinburgh Park, a 2nd from Edinburgh Park to Croy.
A lot of folk can't get their head around it but train tickets are not based on miles but an algorithm of route congestion/popularity amongst other things. There are plenty websites out there that do the hard work for you.
It's easy enough to do in Scotrails own app and just use the e-tickets. The other thing is, you don't even need to change trains. You can get the Queen St service from Edinburgh and stay on it right through to Croy as long as it does stop at the split station. Not all Queen St service stop at Edinburgh Park but some do. Easy enough to change their though and it'll only add a minute or two to your overall journey.
Another top tip, for anyone wanting to train it down to London, consider getting a through ticket to Dublin (I know). In many cases, it's cheaper to get a ticket to Dublin via London (permitted route) than just to London itself,,,, something to do with route subsidies.

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I'll add that the carriage I'm in has 2 other people in it, peak time service and it's dead and no wonder.

that may be more to do with the time on a Friday, a lot of folk either work from home or leave early for the weekend.

[Pretty Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63998198

Good to see the Scottish Govt taking my ramblings on here seriously

[Smartie]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63998198

Good to see the Scottish Govt taking my ramblings on here seriously

Yours is a very fair point though.

You're not going to encourage folk to travel by public transport if you make it prohibitively expensive.

It'll be interesting to see whether or not this will change anyone's habits (ie price wasn't all that much of a barrier in the first place or folk simply prefer to travel by car). I hope it does.

[danhibees1875]

Does anyone on here have much experience of travelling on peak time trains? I've not done it much, and when I have done it was pre-pandemic so things may have changed regardless.

I would have thought those services were pretty much at capacity already. So the change in price won't end up with more people travelling via public transport, they'll just get to do so for less (no bad thing) but end up with requiring cuts to be made to less popular, and therefore profitable, routes to balance the books (or just take the hit - a benefit of public ownership?).

Maybe there's some wiggle room with what counts as "at capacity" with trains where people can be crammed in more uncomfortably right enough.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Does anyone on here have much experience of travelling on peak time trains? I've not done it much, and when I have done it was pre-pandemic so things may have changed regardless.

I would have thought those services were pretty much at capacity already. So the change in price won't end up with more people travelling via public transport, they'll just get to do so for less (no bad thing) but end up with requiring cuts to be made to less popular, and therefore profitable, routes to balance the books (or just take the hit - a benefit of public ownership?).

Maybe there's some wiggle room with what counts as "at capacity" with trains where people can be crammed in more uncomfortably right enough.

Train numbers are massively down due to people working from home more regularly, so wiggle room.

[danhibees1875]

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Train numbers are massively down due to people working from home more regularly, so wiggle room.

Figured they would be down generally, just wasn't sure if that applied to peak times or not.

[wookie70]

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Train numbers are massively down due to people working from home more regularly, so wiggle room.

That would mean Carbon use would go up presumably. Same amount of trains but more fuel being burnt at home. There is a desperate need to have a look at how society and the world works. The vast majority of jobs have no real value and are only there to drive on Capitalism.

[The_Exile]

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There is a desperate need to have a look at how society and the world works. The vast majority of jobs have no real value and are only there to drive on Capitalism.

This is what I've thought for quite a while. My biggest regret will always be not persevering with trying to get a trade when I left school and taking my first 'No' as permanent and slipping into the comfy slippers office life. I see family members (joiners) with a trade and think "that's such a good skill to have". Imagine having the know-how to build a house? Society wouldn't exist without these skills and knowledge. I really wish it was the norm that we all aspired to such things and there was an easy pathway to learn this kind of thing. Mind you, my experience of all this was around 25 years agoo now so maybe it is easier to pursue it now? We need to stop chasing the pound note and value other things in life with more importance.

[wookie70]

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This is what I've thought for quite a while. My biggest regret will always be not persevering with trying to get a trade when I left school and taking my first 'No' as permanent and slipping into the comfy slippers office life. I see family members (joiners) with a trade and think "that's such a good skill to have". Imagine having the know-how to build a house? Society wouldn't exist without these skills and knowledge. I really wish it was the norm that we all aspired to such things and there was an easy pathway to learn this kind of thing. Mind you, my experience of all this was around 25 years agoo now so maybe it is easier to pursue it now? We need to stop chasing the pound note and value other things in life with more importance.

Same here. I'm pretty handy at DIY and when I am building something the day goes flying by as it feels useful and creative. I wish I had been a mechanic, spark or similar. I don't think I have ever felt I have done anything worthwhile in 37 years in an office. A complete waste of everyone's time like the vast majority of office jobs and many other occupations. I can't find the post now but another poster was talking about simplifying their life and it made a lot of sense to me. I may try and make a few steps towards that after the new year.

[WeeRussell]

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Same here. I'm pretty handy at DIY and when I am building something the day goes flying by as it feels useful and creative. I wish I had been a mechanic, spark or similar. I don't think I have ever felt I have done anything worthwhile in 37 years in an office. A complete waste of everyone's time like the vast majority of office jobs and many other occupations. I can't find the post now but another poster was talking about simplifying their life and it made a lot of sense to me. I may try and make a few steps towards that after the new year.

These posts resonate with me. I’d add the amount of fakeness and people with undeserved authority really gets you questioning the corporate world.

But also the hypocrite that I am knows it’s easier to observe and moan about these things than take the plunge, half your earnings/security and try something else.

[Dmas]

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This is what I've thought for quite a while. My biggest regret will always be not persevering with trying to get a trade when I left school and taking my first 'No' as permanent and slipping into the comfy slippers office life. I see family members (joiners) with a trade and think "that's such a good skill to have". Imagine having the know-how to build a house? Society wouldn't exist without these skills and knowledge. I really wish it was the norm that we all aspired to such things and there was an easy pathway to learn this kind of thing. Mind you, my experience of all this was around 25 years agoo now so maybe it is easier to pursue it now? We need to stop chasing the pound note and value other things in life with more importance.

Biggest regret of my life not learning a trade, failed sparks test at 17 and me old man talked me out of anything else as he’s in trades, spent near 20yrs in finance now in a call centre working from home, days are just spent serving absolutely no sense of personal achievement, I’ve often thought of learning something a night school tiling/plastering etc getting my own wee thing going but with mouths to feed and 40 now I feel the boats been missed I’ll be pointing my boys in the trades direction though

[wookie70]

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Biggest regret of my life not learning a trade, failed sparks test at 17 and me old man talked me out of anything else as he’s in trades, spent near 20yrs in finance now in a call centre working from home, days are just spent serving absolutely no sense of personal achievement, I’ve often thought of learning something a night school tiling/plastering etc getting my own wee thing going but with mouths to feed and 40 now I feel the boats been missed I’ll be pointing my boys in the trades direction though

I'm 54 so retirement is my escape at 60. In keeping with the thread I would love to see if I could build a house and make it as carbon neutral as possible. If I had an old gas meter I'm sure I can use the numbers spinning as a turbine the way the heating is at teh moment.

[Jones28]

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Biggest regret of my life not learning a trade, failed sparks test at 17 and me old man talked me out of anything else as he’s in trades, spent near 20yrs in finance now in a call centre working from home, days are just spent serving absolutely no sense of personal achievement, I’ve often thought of learning something a night school tiling/plastering etc getting my own wee thing going but with mouths to feed and 40 now I feel the boats been missed I’ll be pointing my boys in the trades direction though

Entirely with you on that one. I’ve worked in professional kitchens, in shops and pubs, worked as a farm hand then manager and now work in agri sales. Whilst I like the job and the career prospects are very good a mate of mine who helped me in my unofficial chefs training changed careers and is now a joiner. He’s loving it and it also is paying a very solid wage. While in ten years time I’d like to think I’ll be making double the money I am now, I don’t know if it will have the same sense of satisfaction as building houses for a living.

One thing that I hear about with a lot of tradesmen - more than happy to be corrected on this - is that by the time they’re older a lot of them are knackered. Physically I mean, knees and back problems and the like which an office job will at least spare you from!

[hibsbollah]

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https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ss-by-2030-aoe

[WhileTheChief..]

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Yeah, but if everyone keeps their cars for 8 years as opposed to 3 or 4, surely there are less cars manufactured, which is a good thing (not for the car companies obviously)?

Cars generally have a lifespan of 30 - 40 years.

All Europe's ex-hire cars, or older second hand ones, make their way to Africa or India or such like eventually.

Check how many old Mercs or BMWs are used as taxi's abroad to get an idea of the scale of it.

[McSwanky]

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Cars generally have a lifespan of 30 - 40 years.

All Europe's ex-hire cars, or older second hand ones, make their way to Africa or India or such like eventually.

Check how many old Mercs or BMWs are used as taxi's abroad to get an idea of the scale of it.

...and how many e.g. Renaults or Fiats do you see still operating after 30 - 40 years? Genuine question.

Also, where do the electric cars go? Do Africa and India have good charging networks for electric taxis too?

It's a numbers game for me:

If 100 people buy a new car every year, that's 100 more cars on the road every year.
If 100 people buy a new car every 2 years, that's 50 more cars on the road every year.
If 100 people buy a new car every 5 years, that's 20 more cars on the road every year.
If 100 people buy a new car every 10 years, that's 10 more cars on the road every year.

The number of cars removed from circulation (national or worldwide, it doesn't really matter) either doesn't change - in which case, there are more cars on the road - or it decreases in line with the number of new ones - in which case we are scrapping younger cars needlessly.

I'd love a new car every 3 years, really I would, but I keep my cars for a good bit longer than that (last 2 cars I've had I've kept from nearly new for at least 10 years). And on the whole, they do me absolutely fine.

[WhileTheChief..]

My general point is that it doesn't matter if you change cars every 3 or 10 years.

The same car will be around for the same amount of time, just with a different number of owners.

I recently sold mine. I now get the bus to work, which in Glasgow means fully electric. I'm doing my bit!!

[McSwanky]

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My general point is that it doesn't matter if you change cars every 3 or 10 years.

Sorry, but I totally disagree!

Extreme examples to illustrate:

If everyone in the world changed their car every year, then we'd be scrapping 1 year old cars, and producing another 100% new cars every year.

If everyone in the world held onto their car for 10 years, then we'd be scrapping 10 year old cars, and producing another 10% of new cars every year.

So if the people at the new end of the market get rid of their cars every 3 years on average as opposed to say 10, that has to either result in:

1. an accumulation of more cars in the world, or
2. an earlier scrapping of cars that could have a longer life.

Am I wrong?

[WhileTheChief..]

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Sorry, but I totally disagree!

Extreme examples to illustrate:

If everyone in the world changed their car every year, then we'd be scrapping 1 year old cars, and producing another 100% new cars every year.

If everyone in the world held onto their car for 10 years, then we'd be scrapping 10 year old cars, and producing another 10% of new cars every year.

So if the people at the new end of the market get rid of their cars every 3 years on average as opposed to say 10, that has to either result in:

1. an accumulation of more cars in the world, or
2. an earlier scrapping of cars that could have a longer life.

Am I wrong?

I work with figures but can't get my head around it, so will happily concede the basic point that less cars is better than more

[McSwanky]

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I work with figures but can't get my head around it, so will happily concede the basic point that less cars is better than more

More than happy to agree with that and leave it there!