SNP are lying b******s as well !

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-63516525

It always bewilders me why a significant number of people of all political persuasions run for elected office when they must know they're unfit to do so.

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It always bewilders me why a significant number of people of all political persuasions run for elected office when they must know they're unfit to do so.

Hopefully a long sentence awaits.


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Hopefully a long sentence awaits.

I'm sure we all share that sentiment, regardless of the politicals of the perpetrator.


There seems to have been a ridiculously high number of similar cases in Westminster in recent years and I honestly don't care which party they represent, they're just beasts.

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Where's your sense of perspective?

https://twitter.com/shiny02/status/1...zaIbxJgCg&s=19

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https://twitter.com/shiny02/status/1...zaIbxJgCg&s=19

This clip is actually a decent example because snp supporters will think it's spot on. But we've seen the same comedian slammed as a troll and best ignored when making fun of the snp

https://mobile.twitter.com/shiny02/status/1583471149580570624

https://mobile.twitter.com/shiny02/status/1579522050070548480


Or greens
https://mobile.twitter.com/shiny02/status/1582287869497835521

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This clip is actually a decent example because snp supporters will think it's spot on. But we've seen the same comedian slammed as a troll and best ignored when making fun of the snp

https://mobile.twitter.com/shiny02/status/1583471149580570624

https://mobile.twitter.com/shiny02/status/1579522050070548480


Or greens
https://mobile.twitter.com/shiny02/status/1582287869497835521

Have the SNP supporters apologised yet. 😂

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NHS Scotland: Hospitals record worst ever A&E waiting times - BBC News

I thought Yousaf said a few weeks ago he was confident the next set of figures would show a marked decline in waiting times?

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NHS Scotland: Hospitals record worst ever A&E waiting times - BBC News

I thought Yousaf said a few weeks ago he was confident the next set of figures would show a marked decline in waiting times?

To be fair to him, he delivers the best A&E service in the UK.


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To be fair to him, he delivers the best A&E service in the UK.


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That's like taking the reigns at celtic and finishing 5th, then saying well rangers finished 10th. English and Welsh figures are appalling as I'd expect from they chancers. Scotlands hospital figures are fairing worse than most of Western Europe since covid, striking decline in ambulance waiting times.

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That's like taking the reigns at celtic and finishing 5th, then saying well rangers finished 10th. English and Welsh figures are appalling as I'd expect from they chancers. Scotlands hospital figures are fairing worse than most of Western Europe since covid, striking decline in ambulance waiting times.

None of the parties who run health care systems across Europe stand for election here in Scotland. The parties who run the failing systems in England and Wales are the choice if you want change in Scotland.
I agree that there are far better healthcare systems out there, but Scotland can only work within the UK system of funding. We are restricted by whatever England spends. If England decides to privatise, we’ll be forced to follow.
So comparisons with the rest of the UK are the most relevant.


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None of the parties who run health care systems across Europe stand for election here in Scotland. The parties who run the failing systems in England and Wales are the choice if you want change in Scotland.
I agree that there are far better healthcare systems out there, but Scotland can only work within the UK system of funding. We are restricted by whatever England spends. If England decides to privatise, we’ll be forced to follow.
So comparisons with the rest of the UK are the most relevant.


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It's the usual going round in circles. Snp supporters say snp can have no criticism because attached to England. Non snp supporters say Scotland has the ability to raise income tax to pay for services but doesn't. Get out of jail free card

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It's the usual going round in circles. Snp supporters say snp can have no criticism because attached to England. Non snp supporters say Scotland has the ability to raise income tax to pay for services but doesn't. Get out of jail free card

Scotland does raise more in income tax but there is a limit to that before returns diminish.


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Scotland does raise more in income tax but there is a limit to that before returns diminish.


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Disagree. Many nations have much higher income tax than us. Denmarks top rate is 10% higher, their services are generally better hardly surprising. Snp are a neoliberal centrist party and we get the health service that comes with that

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It's the usual going round in circles. Snp supporters say snp can have no criticism because attached to England. Non snp supporters say Scotland has the ability to raise income tax to pay for services but doesn't. Get out of jail free card

Bit like saying "why can't you build a house, we gave you a screwdriver?"

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Bit like saying "why can't you build a house, we gave you a screwdriver?"

Not really though. More like you have to budget the building of your house from this amount, which is a higher % than we use ourselves. If you want more you have the ability to raise it. If it goes wrong blame us.

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Not really though. More like you have to budget the building of your house from this amount, which is a higher % than we use ourselves. If you want more you have the ability to raise it. If it goes wrong blame us.

Yes really. Income Tax is just one tool in the fiscal toolbox. We need access to all the levers of government.

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Yes really. Income Tax is just one tool in the fiscal toolbox. We need access to all the levers of government.

Aye agree we need access to more. But income tax is a huge tool that could make massive difference, but they refuse to use

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Aye agree we need access to more. But income tax is a huge tool that could make massive difference, but they refuse to use

They don’t refuse to use? Our top rate is higher than England and when Truss said she was cutting tax last month, the SG made clear they would not.


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They don’t refuse to use? Our top rate is higher than England and when Truss said she was cutting tax last month, the SG made clear they would not.


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And got pilloried for saying so by D Ross etc.

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They don’t refuse to use? Our top rate is higher than England and when Truss said she was cutting tax last month, the SG made clear they would not.


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Once again talking about England. We're a smidgen away from their's and about the lowest top tax rate in Western Europe. We're 10% lower than Denmark and right wing Thatcherite Macron.

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Once again talking about England. We're a smidgen away from their's and about the lowest top tax rate in Western Europe. We're 10% lower than Denmark and right wing Thatcherite Macron.

You can't compare a single tax and make any sensible conclusion from that comparison!

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You can't compare a single tax and make any sensible conclusion from that comparison!

You can really. Uk gets 34% of its gdp through income tax, the eu14 average is 39%, Denmark 46%. Uk is a low tax country unfortunately. Scotland isn't as easy to calculate but we're close to England

Scandinavian average is 41%. I thought we wanted to be like them, so tax the rich then

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Once again talking about England. We're a smidgen away from their's and about the lowest top tax rate in Western Europe. We're 10% lower than Denmark and right wing Thatcherite Macron.

Denmark doesn't allow people to work in Copenhagen but live and pay tax in Malmo.

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You can really. Uk gets 34% of its gdp through income tax, the eu14 average is 39%, Denmark 46%. Uk is a low tax country unfortunately. Scotland isn't as easy to calculate but we're close to England

Scandinavian average is 41%. I thought we wanted to be like them, so tax the rich then

You are missing my point.

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Denmark doesn't allow people to work in Copenhagen but live and pay tax in Malmo.

Come on that's will account for a miniscule difference

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You are missing my point.

Which is. As my point was we could raise tax and income massively.

Yes we need independence to get full control, but championing the snp like a football makes Scotland worse

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Denmark doesn't allow people to work in Copenhagen but live and pay tax in Malmo.

Incomes are a lot higher in Denmark as well. The have full control of their employment law. Minimum wage is £13 an hour.


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Which is. As my point was we could raise tax and income massively.

Yes we need independence to get full control, but championing the snp like a football makes Scotland worse

If this is aimed at me then you are completely wrong. This is not what I'm doing. I'm just against simplistic arguments where you take a single element of fiscal policy and compare it against the same element in a completely different country with a host of different factors in play. Yes you can compare them, but any conclusion on such a basic comparison is meaningless. IMO.

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If this is aimed at me then you are completely wrong. This is not what I'm doing. I'm just against simplistic arguments where you take a single element of fiscal policy and compare it against the same element in a completely different country with a host of different factors in play. Yes you can compare them, but any conclusion on such a basic comparison is meaningless. IMO.

It's not very simplistic. We've got nearly the lowest tax rates in Western Europe. If we raised them we'd raise more money, that's so simplistic its not worth saying. We can use that money as we wish