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Isn't that the whole crux of the debate though?

It's been accepted for quite literally millennia that there are multiple genders and that gender is fluid. It's ultimately a social construct and the removal of barriers in recent times to allow people to more freely express themselves is welcome. It's a small thing but my daughter loves dinosaurs; traditionally clothes featuring dinosaurs would have been in the boys section of a shop, now many shops have removed gender specific sections of their shop so she can wear what she likes without feeling she is wearing 'boys clothes'. That's a flippant example in a serious debate.

The argument now seems to be moving towards an idea of biological sex being a construct of society as well and that's a whole different matter. The term 'assigned at birth' points to that. Your sex isn't assigned at birth, it's defined based on biological observations. There really is only 3 possible outcomes to such observations, male, female and in a tiny percentage of cases intersex. Anyone should be able to choose to live their lives not bound by the social 'norms' of what is expected of men and women. Dress how you like, use what pronouns you like, call yourself what you like and forget all the hysteria and use whatever toilet you like as well. Do I believe though that trans men are wholly men or trans women are wholly women? No, I don't. A woman who doesn't want someone who's muscle development was aided by years of testosterone crashing into her at full pelt on a rugby field isn't a bigot for saying so. A beauty therapist who refuse to carry out a bikini wax on someone with male sexual organs isn't a bigot. Women who were raped by someone with a ***** and testicles are not bigots for not wanting someone with those same organs heading up a rape support charity or providing counselling services for them.

I daresay I'm a bigot for saying what I have have above but I stand by it. I've no issue with much of self ID, access to reassignment services and hormone therapy should be widespread, across a huge spectrum of areas trans people should have exactly the same rights as anyone else and I can't see why anyone would argue differently. However there can't just be a complete abandonment of biological reality and that means there has to be a tiny number of areas were exceptions are made. Simply screaming 'trans women are women' or 'trans men are men' is every bit as detrimental to the debate as people screaming 'there's only 2 genders'.
I don't disagree with you but, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I think people are more inclined to immediately think of the situations like you've said above which are extreme, rare but obviously well publicised. While in reality the vast majority of trans people are just trying to get by in their lives, like the rest of us.

The wording and terms debate is another all together and I see it as attempting to be inclusive while others, even those without skin in the game, can't seem to acknowledge any reason to ever use such terms. It's a shame that there's so much anger on both sides which tends to receive as much, if not more, coverage than the actual debate.