The Trans Rights Debate

[LewysGot2]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61958346

A tricky issue for sure.

How awful for her and shows where there are very real conflicts in this whole thing.

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https://news.sky.com/story/tom-daley...tions-12641281

Tom Daley is missing the point here IMHO.

Simply because it doesn’t and will never affect him. Trans men aren’t going to rob him of glory.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Could suing the charity not enable the decision to be used as a legal precedent in future cases if she is successful?

fair point, i should have pointed out i wasn't thinking that she just wants a few ££ it's just i don't understand her actions here, i always think when someone is suing it normally relates to some monetary compensation, therefore if this is not about cash for whatever reason could she not maybe have just brought it to the publics attention and maybe it would have led to the charity taking her(and others) opinions about privacy in to consideration in future, start a petition etc.

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If her heart is in the right place, it's not about the money. And I would hope that a decent judge would set any damages at a minimal amount.

lets hope so and PB is correct that it will at least highlight how awkward the girl must have felt and lead to a different approach from the charity

[147lothian]

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https://news.sky.com/story/tom-daley...tions-12641281

Tom Daley is missing the point here IMHO.

Surely the point is that the reality of biological sex has to be acknowledged for woman's sport to exist and that it has to be a protected category, for biological woman only so that it can be a fair sport. There does seem to be a deep seated misogyny in all of this it's like he's saying, I don't care about what happens in woman's sport. Its only men's sport that counts.

The world's best female swimmer is turning the trans debate into some kind of clown show, take a look at this

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How awful for her and shows where there are very real conflicts in this whole thing.



Simply because it doesn’t and will never affect him. Trans men aren’t going to rob him of glory.

Yes Sharon Davies, who has been a really strong voice on this issue, made that point about his misguided comments.

[superfurryhibby]

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Surely the point is that the reality of biological sex has to be acknowledged for woman's sport to exist and that it has to be a protected category, for biological woman only so that it can be a fair sport. There does seem to be a deep seated misogyny in all of this it's like he's saying, I don't care about what happens in woman's sport. Its only men's sport that counts.

The world's best female swimmer is turning the trans debate into some kind of clown show, take a look at this

I like satire and this hits the nail on the head.

What a mockery all of this is. It's part of a wider smokescreen that allows our "owners" to laugh as they rake it in as the ordinary pleb gets poorer and poorer.

9% inflation, 100% increases in energy prices, pathetic public sector pay rises, social housing crisis, deep rooted corruption in every walk of life, establishment paedophile cover ups, it's almost like the elite can do as they please. Meanwhile we are told that trans rights and self identification is a vital debate. It's taking the piss.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Cyclists claim trans riders still competing in British Cycling events - BBC Sport

Two female cyclists claim that transgender athletes are still competing in British Cycling women's events.

They say they have lost out on ranking points and prize money to trans women.

British Cycling said: "Existing licence holders remain unaffected by the suspension of the policy, provided the requirements in place at the time of application were met."
However, the female cyclists who spoke to the BBC claim there was no mention of this before they complained and it's not specified in the original suspension statement on the organisations' official website.

[Hibbyradge]

I thought this was a good article on the subject.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/o...hare&fs=e&s=cl

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Interesting and potentially very significant ruling:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62061929

[Hibernia&Alba]

US Republican senator Josh Hawley is one of the lunatics who tried to stop the certification of Biden's win by Congress on January 6th 2021. He is also one of America's main advocates of the culture wars, including whipping up hysteria about transgender Americans. In a Senate hearing he crashed and burned as his insidious bigotry got shut down.

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Tavistock childhood gender identity clinic to shut down:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62335665

[CropleyWasGod]

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Tavistock childhood gender identity clinic to shut down.

..to be replaced by 2 new centres.

[Colr]

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Surely the point is that the reality of biological sex has to be acknowledged for woman's sport to exist and that it has to be a protected category, for biological woman only so that it can be a fair sport. There does seem to be a deep seated misogyny in all of this it's like he's saying, I don't care about what happens in woman's sport. Its only men's sport that counts.

The world's best female swimmer is turning the trans debate into some kind of clown show, take a look at this

This is especially important in relation to the massive efforts that are going in to encouraging women to get involved in sport and to stick at it.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Surely the point is that the reality of biological sex has to be acknowledged for woman's sport to exist and that it has to be a protected category, for biological woman only so that it can be a fair sport. There does seem to be a deep seated misogyny in all of this it's like he's saying, I don't care about what happens in woman's sport. Its only men's sport that counts.

The world's best female swimmer is turning the trans debate into some kind of clown show, take a look at this

Please tell me that is a spoof? PLEASE?

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Habitually outspoken stuff but much to agree with IMHO:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...the-tavistock#

[Colr]

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Habitually outspoken stuff but much to agree with IMHO:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...the-tavistock#

Friend of mine works in mental health and says the Tavi was regarded as an utter sham. Mostly staffed by posh, chin stroking “therapists” with a sense of entitlement but dubious qualifications. It won’t be missed.

[LewysGot2]

https://twitter.com/JournalistJill/s...AOIy5fTrQ&s=19

This is from Ireland - self ID in women's sport.

[Moulin Yarns]

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https://twitter.com/JournalistJill/s...AOIy5fTrQ&s=19

This is from Ireland - self ID in women's sport.

The team is an inclusive LGBTQ+ team. It was not an all female match. The LGBTQ+ team won, but it was always known that the team was 'mixed'.

https://reduxx.info/irish-lgbtq-incl...-junior-final/

[LewysGot2]

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The team is an inclusive LGBTQ+ team. It was not an all female match. The LGBTQ+ team won, but it was always known that the team was 'mixed'.

https://reduxx.info/irish-lgbtq-incl...-junior-final/

In the Ladies Gaelic Football Junior J Shield...so women's sport.

[Moulin Yarns]

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In the Ladies Gaelic Football Junior J Shield...

Yes. The article from a 'pro-female' website that I linked has a broader article about it.

If anything it's the ruling body that might be at fault for allowing the obviously adult person to play in a junior tournament

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/co...-gaeil-aeracha

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely sport is about seeing you push yourself to the limits. What enjoyment can that big bald trans woman get from beating girls in a very physical sport. Thankfully more and more sports aren't allowing this, we'll look back and shake our heads at the fact this happened

[LewysGot2]

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Surely sport is about seeing you push yourself to the limits. What enjoyment can that big bald trans woman get from beating girls in a very physical sport. Thankfully more and more sports aren't allowing this, we'll look back and shake our heads at the fact this happened

Womens sport is about increasing participation for females in an environment where they feel safe, are not disheartened or discouraged. Increasing female participation in sport is good for their health and well-being and benefits in terms of long term health outcomes/impact on the health service. It's about more than the winning. But just being able to win at all will help encourage participation.

Being safe is important too.

[147lothian]

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Womens sport is about increasing participation for females in an environment where they feel safe, are not disheartened or discouraged. Increasing female participation in sport is good for their health and well-being and benefits in terms of long term health outcomes/impact on the health service. It's about more than the winning. But just being able to win at all will help encourage participation.

Being safe is important too.

This is exactly why both the rugby league and rugby union have banned transwomen, ie men who identify as woman from taking part in woman's rugby. A common sense approach to keep women safe and encourage more females take up the sport

[Colr]

Notice Putin picking up the Daily Mail and Telegraph’s obsession with ‘wokery’ and trans issues.

More likely, though, he has been feeding them their lines on these subjects for a couple of years!

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...lobe-qn5thkz5n

Is rewriting Joan of Arc as not female really progress?!

[Stairway 2 7]

https://archive.ph/jgRD7

Edinburgh University urged to review ‘dangerous’ policy on trans students

[LewysGot2]

https://reduxx.info/put-terfs-in-the...ish-lawmakers/

[CropleyWasGod]

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https://reduxx.info/put-terfs-in-the...ish-lawmakers/

Given the source of that piece, I'd be more interested in a more balanced view. One that, for example, doesn't use "he/him" would be a good start 🙂

I've followed this story on Twitter this week, and it's really difficult to get that balance. Everything out there seems to be polarised.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Given the source of that piece, I'd be more interested in a more balanced view. One that, for example, doesn't use "he/him" would be a good start 🙂

I've followed this story on Twitter this week, and it's really difficult to get that balance. Everything out there seems to be polarised.

https://mobile.twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1559612403498852354

Joanna cherry shared the clip too and criticised the actions

[LewysGot2]

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Given the source of that piece, I'd be more interested in a more balanced view. One that, for example, doesn't use "he/him" would be a good start 🙂

I've followed this story on Twitter this week, and it's really difficult to get that balance. Everything out there seems to be polarised.

Regardless of the source those quotes and actions attributed to someone in an office purportedly fighting for equality and equity seems at odds with concept of professionalism if nothing else…

[Stairway 2 7]

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Given the source of that piece, I'd be more interested in a more balanced view. One that, for example, doesn't use "he/him" would be a good start 🙂

I've followed this story on Twitter this week, and it's really difficult to get that balance. Everything out there seems to be polarised.

Ps I agree with you about the referring to her as a man. Also I noticed at the bottom they reference themselves as feminists which is fine. But also they say child protection. Out of order I think where's the link to changing gender and child molestation, shocking