SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Keith_M]

I now have this thought going through my head of the SNP Committee leaving their discussion with Grady and singing a variation of the 1980s "Arthur Daley" song...




"Oh Patrick Grady,
a little dodgy maybe,
but underneath... he's alright
...
he's alright is Patrick,
so he strokes a few teenager's necks, it's not a crime is it?
well... yeah... technically it is"

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https://twitter.com/AmyCallaghanSNP/...0BLbiGC_g&s=19

At least some in the party seem to be taking it more seriously than some on here.

Fair play to her for this statement.

Although like all of these kind of statements there is a little bit of sorry I got caught. If the tape hadn't been leaked by her colleague then she would have made no statement.

Yes, as you say at least she's come out and admitted it wasn't a good look. The silence from more senior party figures continues.

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A stroked neck? It's all a bit puritanical.

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A stroked neck? It's all a bit puritanical.

Would you feel the same if it was a teenage female. Regardless if you do I'm sorry to say your stuck in a different decade.

"At that point, he started putting his fingers down the back of my collar, touching me inappropriately there. He was also grabbing my hair."

It's been a joke from the start. After he made the complaint Ian Blackford invited him to a meeting and grady was sitting in the room crying and apologising when he walked in. What the f is that. Walk in and see the person your accusing of abuse sitting there. The only person they appear to want strong action against is the leaker

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Hope she didn’t touch his back as well? The trauma for the poor guy.


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He must be a dashed attractive fellow - men and women touching him up.

Enjoy it mate. It doesn't last forever!

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He must be a dashed attractive fellow - men and women touching him up.

Enjoy it mate. It doesn't last forever!

Another post downplaying sexual inappropriate behaviour 👏. This place recently has been like the BBC in the 70s

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Another post downplaying sexual inappropriate behaviour 👏. This place recently has been like the BBC in the 70s

The unwanted attention/advances would be bad enough but when you add in the power dynamic of boss/worker, pretty disgusting.

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Another post downplaying sexual inappropriate behaviour ��. This place recently has been like the BBC in the 70s

Yeah but yeah but …he is a good guy he is Ess Enn Peeeee Freedumb ��

You couldn’t make this up. It is apparently not in the public interest for the public to be told the outcome of any misconduct complaint made against previous and current SNP or Green ministers, the SNP/Green Government has said. Wow!

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Yeah but yeah but …he is a good guy he is Ess Enn Peeeee Freedumb ��

You couldn’t make this up. It is apparently not in the public interest for the public to be told the outcome of any misconduct complaint made against previous and current SNP or Green ministers, the SNP/Green Government has said. Wow!

The SNP are acting disgracefully here. I'm sure all but their most blinded of followers will see that.

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The subsequent complaint against North Ayrshire and Arran MP Patricia Gibson has been upheld according to this update:

Ian Blackford ‘should go’ as SNP Westminster leader for backing shamed MP | Scotland | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

I sense this issue has the potential to become more awkward for the SNP than they initially assumed. Probably all a dastardly plot to undermine them in the wake of last week's latest independence proclamations mind you

You'll be disappointed.

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You'll be disappointed.

Why is it another sweep sweep job…move on nothing to see here…

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Why is it another sweep sweep job…move on nothing to see here…

I believe the enquiry has cleared her of the accusation. You got a problem with that?

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I believe the enquiry has cleared her of the accusation. You got a problem with that?

Yep commission had found her guilty but she appealed and a commons panel has overturned. Should be confirmed Thursday



It is understood a House of Commons expert panel has rejected allegations of wrongdoing against Mrs Gibson - and overturned a ruling by the Standards Commissioner.

The North Ayrshire and Arran MP appealed against the initial findings of the commissioner which upheld a complaint of harassment.

She consistently denied the claims insisting they were “malicious allegations” without any foundation.

Last night the victim said: “I would like to talk about this however, I have been forced to sign an NDA.”

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Why is it another sweep sweep job…move on nothing to see here…

I don't know the whole story because I've only been following it on here. But I think there definitely needs to be a discussion about what is sexually inappropriate or what is appropriate.

Is it inappropriate for an older person to have a relationship with a much younger person who is considered to be of legal age?

Does it make a difference if the older person is a man or a woman?

Does it make a difference if it is a heterosexual or homosexual relationship?

Should Dr's not be allowed make advances towards nurses due to them having power over them at work? Same question regarding pilots and cabin crew, the boss and his secretary and the panzer commander and the milkmaid? How many people have met their partners at work?

How do you make someone aware that you are drawn to them? Is there a set of guidelines at how you go about making them aware?

Before you actually touch someone, how many bases do you have to reach before that is appropriate? I'm a little out of practice at the dating game but I'm guessing a lot of it is still about sending signals and interpreting signals correctly, that in itself is a minefield. You smile, someone smiles back, you tell someone you like them they also answer in the affirmative, but normally before you then jump in the sack together there are other bases to be reached like holding hands, kissing and maybe some awkward fumbling.

The whole topic is probably worth a thread of its own.

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I believe the enquiry has cleared her of the accusation. You got a problem with that?

Not if she has been cleared with actual evidence…only problem I have is she was initially found guilty what new evidence was provided and why has the victim got a gagging order

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I don't know the whole story because I've only been following it on here. But I think there definitely needs to be a discussion about what is sexually inappropriate or what is appropriate.

Is it inappropriate for an older person to have a relationship with a much younger person who is considered to be of legal age?

Does it make a difference if the older person is a man or a woman?

Does it make a difference if it is a heterosexual or homosexual relationship?

Should Dr's not be allowed make advances towards nurses due to them having power over them at work? Same question regarding pilots and cabin crew, the boss and his secretary and the panzer commander and the milkmaid? How many people have met their partners at work?

How do you make someone aware that you are drawn to them? Is there a set of guidelines at how you go about making them aware?

Before you actually touch someone, how many bases do you have to reach before that is appropriate? I'm a little out of practice at the dating game but I'm guessing a lot of it is still about sending signals and interpreting signals correctly, that in itself is a minefield. You smile, someone smiles back, you tell someone you like them they also answer in the affirmative, but normally before you then jump in the sack together there are other bases to be reached like holding hands, kissing and maybe some awkward fumbling.

The whole topic is probably worth a thread of its own.

And your examples should really be in a different thread as unrelated to the case. Of course mps should be held to different standards even though mps of all parties don't follow it.

The bit about what signals do you need is also zero to do with this case or what guidelines. He came over and started pulling his hair and putting his hand down his collar. Creepy pest behaviour for anyone to someone of any age.

What it's shown me is we have a long way to go in society. People downplaying it need to realise they are wrong and stuck in a different era.

It's also nowt to do with independence. His actions are nothing to do with the snp, although there treatment of the case is. I think the most worrying thing is a supposed intelligent person in Blackford, thought it was OK to have the accused in the room when he wanted to speak to the accuser

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Not if she has been cleared with actual evidence…only problem I have is she was initially found guilty what new evidence was provided and why has the victim got a gagging order

Like all sexual assault the likelihood of proving guilt with 2 people is slim. She denied it from the start grady admitted it straight away

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Like all sexual assault the likelihood of proving guilt with 2 people is slim. She denied it from the start grady admitted it straight away

I agree, but the initial finding was of that she had, I assume there must have been more evidence than an allegation

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I don't know the whole story because I've only been following it on here. But I think there definitely needs to be a discussion about what is sexually inappropriate or what is appropriate.

Is it inappropriate for an older person to have a relationship with a much younger person who is considered to be of legal age?

Does it make a difference if the older person is a man or a woman?

Does it make a difference if it is a heterosexual or homosexual relationship?

Should Dr's not be allowed make advances towards nurses due to them having power over them at work? Same question regarding pilots and cabin crew, the boss and his secretary and the panzer commander and the milkmaid? How many people have met their partners at work?

How do you make someone aware that you are drawn to them? Is there a set of guidelines at how you go about making them aware?

Before you actually touch someone, how many bases do you have to reach before that is appropriate? I'm a little out of practice at the dating game but I'm guessing a lot of it is still about sending signals and interpreting signals correctly, that in itself is a minefield. You smile, someone smiles back, you tell someone you like them they also answer in the affirmative, but normally before you then jump in the sack together there are other bases to be reached like holding hands, kissing and maybe some awkward fumbling.

The whole topic is probably worth a thread of its own.

Anything in the workplace is out of order. Especially when someone is your superior.

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Anything in the workplace is out of order. Especially when someone is your superior.

So all those Dr's who married nurses, pilots cabin crew and bosses their secretaries were acting sexually inappropriate?

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So all those Dr's who married nurses, pilots cabin crew and bosses their secretaries were acting sexually inappropriate?

Why have the panzer commander and milkmaid been dumped from this list?

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So all those Dr's who married nurses, pilots cabin crew and bosses their secretaries were acting sexually inappropriate?

There is a world of difference between asking someone out for a date or a mutual attraction between 2 consenting adults getting together. This situation is not that, it was a teenage boy being propositioned by the Chief Whip of the SNP - someone extremely senior to him and of great influence remember.

It would be like the 40 something chief steward getting drunk coming on to the teenage trainee cabin crew. Totally inappropriate, the House of Commons and the SNP didn't suspend him for nothing, Grady never stood up and delivered a public apology for nothing as well.

I find it astonishing people are brushing this off.

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Again, an 'apology' (as Blackford finally says something about the matter) from the SNP that isn't really an apology. Similar to what Sturgeon had to say. Sorry the incident happened but not sorry to the complainant. As I've mooted, there's seems to be something more to this re the party's opinion of the guy:

Blackford says lessons will be learned after MP’s ‘inappropriate’ behaviour (msn.com)

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So all those Dr's who married nurses, pilots cabin crew and bosses their secretaries were acting sexually inappropriate?

Everywhere worth there salt has criteria in place to report relationships in the workplace, exactly to stop abuse. I don't think your getting it wouldn't be news if it was a relationship or consenting. This is about abuse and unwanted sexual touching. You can't pinch your secrataries arse like the 70s, if you do you will get fired and charged

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Again, an 'apology' (as Blackford finally says something about the matter) from the SNP that isn't really an apology. Similar to what Sturgeon had to say. Sorry the incident happened but not sorry to the complainant. As I've mooted, there's seems to be something more to this re the party's opinion of the guy:

Blackford says lessons will be learned after MP’s ‘inappropriate’ behaviour (msn.com)

Angus Robertson looked the other way when told of Alex Salmond's concerning behaviour at Edinburgh Airport as well. Staff around Salmond had concerns about his behaviour but were scared to speak out incase it damaged Independence as the referendum was coming up. Lessons be will learned they said.

I see today as well the bullying investigation into Fergus Ewing is not being made public as it's not in the public interest apparently (so likely upheld) Yet when Priti Patel was accused of same thing the SNP demanded it be made public. Hypocrisy is rife in politics.

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Not if she has been cleared with actual evidence…only problem I have is she was initially found guilty what new evidence was provided and why has the victim got a gagging order

I suppose that's why we have an appeals procedure in place.

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Would you feel the same if it was a teenage female. Regardless if you do I'm sorry to say your stuck in a different decade.

"At that point, he started putting his fingers down the back of my collar, touching me inappropriately there. He was also grabbing my hair."

It's been a joke from the start. After he made the complaint Ian Blackford invited him to a meeting and grady was sitting in the room crying and apologising when he walked in. What the f is that. Walk in and see the person your accusing of abuse sitting there. The only person they appear to want strong action against is the leaker

I've had my genitals and backside grabbed on work Christmas nights out, and that was wildly inappropriate. But I am a grown man, and I am not intimidated in the way a young woman would be. I could have had them sacked, im sure, but the embarrassed apology done me given the women's age and size.

And this is nothing like what happened to me. This was mild in the extreme. Particularly in the dismissed case against the female MP, I'd suggest that this guy is at it. Imagine writing down that statement " she stroked my neck and I was scared." Get directly in the bin. The parliament is riddled with sexual misconduct - largely, I bet, because its a bad idea to have loads of cheap drink in your offices- and "they stroked my neck" is the one that breaks through?

It's all a bit odd.

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There is a world of difference between asking someone out for a date or a mutual attraction between 2 consenting adults getting together. This situation is not that, it was a teenage boy being propositioned by the Chief Whip of the SNP - someone extremely senior to him and of great influence remember.

It would be like the 40 something chief steward getting drunk coming on to the teenage trainee cabin crew. Totally inappropriate, the House of Commons and the SNP didn't suspend him for nothing, Grady never stood up and delivered a public apology for nothing as well.

I find it astonishing people are brushing this off.

I'm not brushing it off, I just think it's opened up a whole new topic of discussion.

If what is being reported on here about Grady is as it's being described then that and the SNP's reaction to it is sleazy.

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I've had my genitals and backside grabbed on work Christmas nights out, and that was wildly inappropriate. But I am a grown man, and I am not intimidated in the way a young woman would be. I could have had them sacked, im sure, but the embarrassed apology done me given the women's age and size.

And this is nothing like what happened to me. This was mild in the extreme. Particularly in the dismissed case against the female MP, I'd suggest that this guy is at it. Imagine writing down that statement " she stroked my neck and I was scared." Get directly in the bin. The parliament is riddled with sexual misconduct - largely, I bet, because its a bad idea to have loads of cheap drink in your offices- and "they stroked my neck" is the one that breaks through?

It's all a bit odd.

I don't think you realise how brutal this chat is. The part about the woman's age and size really fires it home. Your stuck in a different era thankfully

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I've had my genitals and backside grabbed on work Christmas nights out, and that was wildly inappropriate. But I am a grown man, and I am not intimidated in the way a young woman would be. I could have had them sacked, im sure, but the embarrassed apology done me given the women's age and size.

And this is nothing like what happened to me. This was mild in the extreme. Particularly in the dismissed case against the female MP, I'd suggest that this guy is at it. Imagine writing down that statement " she stroked my neck and I was scared." Get directly in the bin. The parliament is riddled with sexual misconduct - largely, I bet, because its a bad idea to have loads of cheap drink in your offices- and "they stroked my neck" is the one that breaks through?

It's all a bit odd.

"But I am grown man"
"mild in the extreme"
"this guy it at it"
"get directly in the bin"

What a horrendous post. Grady has admitted sexual misconduct ffs.

I'm genuinely shocked at the response of some SNP supporters on this. On this thread alone we've had the victim mocked and laughed at with emojis and now the above statements.

People need to get a grip. The mask certainly seems to be slipping for some.