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Rail union warns disruption could last all year after pay talks fail
Leader of RMT accuses government of blocking progress in negotiations

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https://www.ft.com/content/490d46e3-...0-abb55aced77e

Rail union warns disruption could last all year after pay talks fail
Leader of RMT accuses government of blocking progress in negotiations

A strike will suit the Tories down to the ground.


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A strike will suit the Tories down to the ground.


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Maybe one but I don't think the mass strikes in many sectors that are rumoured will be good. People might just wake up that this is a **** show

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How did a thread called Scotrail become a debate about alcohol misuse?

Re the railways I see next week's strikes are going ahead. Selfish f****ers.

Clarification required!?!
There hasn't been a general railway strike since 1989.
The (NR) workers withdrawing labour after a legitimate ballot are doing so after not having any pay-rise for 30 months and not having a contractual bonus paid over the last two years.
Ignoring inflation, that's a real time paycut of 6% (average bonus = 3% of average NR mtce wage). Including inflation at CPI or RPI, then that's a big year on year pay cut.
And then if we choose to ignore a NET paycut to a workforce that worked (like many) throughout the pandemic, there's the attack on hard fought and agreed working conditions.
I'm sorry, but it's not the workers that are being selfish. God knows nobody wants to upset anyone else with a general strike but how else do they draw attention and action over such behaviour?

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Clarification required!?!
There hasn't been a general railway strike since 1989.
The (NR) workers withdrawing labour after a legitimate ballot are doing so after not having any pay-rise for 30 months and not having a contractual bonus paid over the last two years.
Ignoring inflation, that's a real time paycut of 6% (average bonus = 3% of average NR mtce wage). Including inflation at CPI or RPI, then that's a big year on year pay cut.
And then if we choose to ignore a NET paycut to a workforce that worked (like many) throughout the pandemic, there's the attack on hard fought and agreed working conditions.
I'm sorry, but it's not the workers that are being selfish. God knows nobody wants to upset anyone else with a general strike but how else do they draw attention and action over such behaviour?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61852047

Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff. The disruption this action will cause right across the UK, screwing up the plans of folk from all walks of life, is grossly out of proportion to the scale of their grievances.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61852047

Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff. The disruption this action will cause right across the UK, screwing up the plans of folk from all walks of life, is grossly out of proportion to the scale of their grievances.

Is this the train drivers striking

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Clarification required!?!
There hasn't been a general railway strike since 1989.
The (NR) workers withdrawing labour after a legitimate ballot are doing so after not having any pay-rise for 30 months and not having a contractual bonus paid over the last two years.
Ignoring inflation, that's a real time paycut of 6% (average bonus = 3% of average NR mtce wage). Including inflation at CPI or RPI, then that's a big year on year pay cut.
And then if we choose to ignore a NET paycut to a workforce that worked (like many) throughout the pandemic, there's the attack on hard fought and agreed working conditions.
I'm sorry, but it's not the workers that are being selfish. God knows nobody wants to upset anyone else with a general strike but how else do they draw attention and action over such behaviour?

Tories will be happy to turn worker against worker.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61852047

Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff. The disruption this action will cause right across the UK, screwing up the plans of folk from all walks of life, is grossly out of proportion to the scale of their grievances.

How many train drivers do Network Rail employ???
And why are nurses always the benchmark for pay rises?
And could you imagine industrial action taking place where nobody was inconvenienced?

This action is about folk fighting for fair recognition after 2+ years of pay freezes, faux credit for "pandemic cover" and a not unsurprising Tory attack on workers terms/conditions and working practices that will result in a less safe running of our railway.

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Tories will be happy to turn worker against worker.


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Agreed, classic play, in the race to the bottom, encourage workers to fight amongst each other rather than allow them to unite and fight the common problem.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61852047

Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff. The disruption this action will cause right across the UK, screwing up the plans of folk from all walks of life, is grossly out of proportion to the scale of their grievances.

Try bankers the next time. The poor nurses are always used.

Next time I board a train, I'll be thankful that the staff are fully trained 😏 in all safety aspects and procedures to allow the traveling public to get from A to B.

Any watering down if any safety procedures is a red card from me.

Network rail can GTF.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61852047

Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff. The disruption this action will cause right across the UK, screwing up the plans of folk from all walks of life, is grossly out of proportion to the scale of their grievances.

I’m sure these rises would have been negotiated by the EMPLOYER and the union. I’m also sure that the EMPLOYER must have agreed these rises and were happy to agree it as their shareholders pocketed over £1b in dividends. The whole point of strike action is disruption, but it’s always the unions that get blamed rather than the bosses. Let’s be very clear the rail strikes are politically motivated not by the unions but by the Tory government.
ASLEF will be announcing the results of ballots in 9 other companies next month. Not one of these people will have had a pay rise in 3 years!
ASLEF have settled on London Underground (Lab mayor) MerseyRail (Lab Mayor) Nexus (Lab controlled authority) Scotrail (SNP controlled) and are still in talks on Transport for Wales. Yet every company that the Tories are in control off have failed to table a penny. So rather than attack workers look further behind the Daily Mail rhetoric and understand the workers case. If you’ve not had a rise join a union and fight back because Britain deserves a pay rise.

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When is the UK Gov going to step in and do something to stop the #toryrailstrikes

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When is the UK Gov going to step in and do something to stop the #toryrailstrikes

Hopefully quickly. Took Scotgov several weeks to halt the threat of strike action from Scotrail. I thought this had now been resolved, it appears there were around 70 last min cancellations to yesterday's services due to staffing issues I think.

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What do we think the chances are Lothian Buses will go on strike over pay? If that coincided with the festival, it would be an utter disaster for businesses.

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Hopefully quickly. Took Scotgov several weeks to halt the threat of strike action from Scotrail. I thought this had now been resolved, it appears there were around 70 last min cancellations to yesterday's services due to staffing issues I think.

It was actually a wave to the Tories asking the Scottish government to fix our issues last month when they're silent regarding this strike.

The businesses running the separate rail companies in England should up their game, and get it sorted.

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I've no issues at all with them striking

Always baffles me when the ordinary worker attacks folk for striking then uses another underpaid undervalued public sector to compare them against

Il be following the teachers pay negotiations closley - EIS only told them to take the small increase now (meant to be last years rises) so it didn't get this years 10 percent negotions dragged down



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I've no issues at all with them striking

Always baffles me when the ordinary worker attacks folk for striking then uses another unpaid undervalued public sector to compare them against

Il be following the teachers pay negotions closley - EIS only told them to take the small increase now (meant to be last years rises) so it didn't get this years 10 percent negotions dragged down



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The nurses get it tight every time.

Why don't they use the bankers?

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The nurses get it tight every time.

Why don't they use the bankers?

I've never seen nurses being brought up in such a way...

Bankers are getting 1.5%, train drivers should be happy with that.

https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2022/05/pay-inflation-banking

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I've never seen nurses being brought up in such a way...

Bankers are getting 1.5%, train drivers should be happy with that.

https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2022/05/pay-inflation-banking

You only have to read the thread to see nurses mentioned.

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The nurses get it tight every time.

Why don't they use the bankers?

What are nurses getting tight?

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You only have to read the thread to see nurses mentioned.

As far as I can see the only mentions of nurses on this thread are to say they are probably underpaid?

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You only have to read the thread to see nurses mentioned.

"mentioned" is where your argument falls down IMO.

They're not mentioned in a way that could be construed as "getting it tight" as you put it.

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I've no issues at all with them striking

Always baffles me when the ordinary worker attacks folk for striking then uses another unpaid undervalued public sector to compare them against

Il be following the teachers pay negotions closley - EIS only told them to take the small increase now (meant to be last years rises) so it didn't get this years 10 percent negotions dragged down



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What about undervalued private sector workers? They often work with less favourable contractual conditions than public sector workers. Take retail staff as an example, never stopped throughout the Pandemic, poor pay and conditions, subjected to abuse and aggression which is on the increase btw. A lot of workers in this sector are overseas workers, they're not aware of employment legislation and their rights. In my experience they often see joining a Union as a waste of their hard earned wage.

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"mentioned" is where your argument falls down IMO.

They're not mentioned in a way that could be construed as "getting it tight" as you put it.

The post at 215 says this... Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff.

The Union and employer negotiated those deals over the 10 year period. Why should it be used to bash the railway workers now?

Why the need to bring nursing staff into a dispute about Rail workers. It's the tried and tested divide and conquer I'm seeing played out on my TV this morning.

The RMT are correct in looking after their workers, I just wish more unions would do likewise.

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I support them 100%, and as someone that uses the trains and enjoys it I hope they win and ensure the service doesn’t get even further ripped apart.

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The post at 215 says this... Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff.

The Union and employer negotiated those deals over the 10 year period. Why should it be used to bash the railway workers now?

Why the need to bring nursing staff into a dispute about Rail workers. It's the tried and tested divide and conquer I'm seeing played out on my TV this morning.

The RMT are correct in looking after their workers, I just wish more unions would do likewise.

Remind me, when the Glasgow City Council refuse workers took industrial action during COP26, was there an implication that Anas Sarwar was somehow stirring it for political motives? I'm not saying it was you who posted that, I honestly can't recall, but there was someone (pro SNP) making this suggestion. It's Gov's that are the cause of conquer and divide amongst public sector workers imo. Police 3% - rail workers 5%, that's avoidable if Gov's applied the same acceptable pay rise across the board.

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As far as I can see the only mentions of nurses on this thread are to say they are probably underpaid?

That's your take.

Mine is that they're been used in the post to say the RMT should be more like the nurses and accept lower wage offers.

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Remind me, when the Glasgow City Council refuse workers took industrial action during COP26, was there an implication that Anas Sarwar was somehow stirring it for political motives? I'm not saying it was you who posted that, I honestly can't recall, but there was someone (pro SNP) making this suggestion. It's Gov's that are the cause of conquer and divide amongst public sector workers imo. Police 3% - rail workers 5%, that's avoidable if Gov's applied the same acceptable pay rise across the board.

The refuse workers saw an opportunity to raise the profile of their case during COP26. It happens in all areas of life. Just like Anas saw a photo opportunity to go down the back alleys of his constituency to raise the point. Screaming Chris Mitchell was a bit OTT imo though.

I'd have rather seen the GMB Union support their women workers in their equal pay dispute in Glasgow instead of taking them to court.

Back on topic.

Support the RMT.

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The post at 215 says this... Train drivers have had pay rises totalling nearly 40 per cent over the last decade, way in excess of, say, nursing staff.

The Union and employer negotiated those deals over the 10 year period. Why should it be used to bash the railway workers now?

Why the need to bring nursing staff into a dispute about Rail workers. It's the tried and tested divide and conquer I'm seeing played out on my TV this morning.

The RMT are correct in looking after their workers, I just wish more unions would do likewise.

Nurses aren't getting it tight there IMO, but fair enough if that's the way you see it then that's the way you see it.

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The refuse workers saw an opportunity to raise the profile of their case during COP26. It happens in all areas of life. Just like Anas saw a photo opportunity to go down the back alleys of his constituency to raise the point. Screaming Chris Mitchell was a bit OTT imo though.

I'd have rather seen the GMB Union support their women workers in their equal pay dispute in Glasgow instead of taking them to court.

Back on topic.

Support the RMT.

lol, Anas saw a photo opp...brilliant. FM totally camera shy eh.

Aye, back on track, all workers in every sector right across the UK deserve fair pay and conditions, I'm all for that.