SNP are lying b******s as well !

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The complainant also alleged inappropriate behaviour towards him from a female SNP MP in 2020 according to this piece in the Record. Don't know what follow-up there's been on that:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...-over-27272894

Hope she didn’t touch his back as well? The trauma for the poor guy.


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Hope she didn’t touch his back as well? The trauma for the poor guy.


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Is that what Grady done? Touch his back?

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Is that what Grady done? Touch his back?

Yes. The substance of the claim is that Grady sat beside him and put his hand on his back and neck.


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Yes. The substance of the claim is that Grady sat beside him and put his hand on his back and neck.


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I've just read the article. He touched and stroked his back, neck and hair. So not quite just "touching his back". I know you're a SNP supporter but it would be good if we could actually stick to the facts.

If you have kids, would you be happy for a 43 year old man to be stroking their neck and back when they are still a teenager? I certainly wouldn't it and I'd expect their complaint to be taking extremely seriously.

To simply laugh it off with a smiley face and sarcastically use the word trauma is ridiculous and I suspect if it were a Tory your response would be completely different.

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I've just read the article. He touched and stroked his back, neck and hair. So not quite just "touching his back". I know you're a SNP supporter but it would be good if we could actually stick to the facts.

If you have kids, would you be happy for a 43 year old man to be stroking their neck and back when they are still a teenager? To simply laugh it off with a smiley face and sarcastically use the word trauma is ridiculous.

The 19 year old rejected his advance and it went no further. That would normally be the end of the matter in just about every other walk of life.


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The 19 year old rejected his advance and it went no further. That would normally be the end of the matter in just about every other walk of life.


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Whether it went further or not is irrelevant. It's creepy behaviour for a man of that age to be doing that to a 19 year old and it's not the standard of behaviour I'd expect from our elected policitians.

You have no idea how it impacted the victim but are happy to literally laugh it off with smiley faces.

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Whether it went further or not is irrelevant. It's creepy behaviour for a man of that age to be doing that to a 19 year old and it's not the standard of behaviour I'd expect from our elected policitians.

You have no idea how it impacted the victim but are happy to literally laugh it off with smiley faces.

43 year olds def shouldn’t be making passes at 19 year olds in my opinion but let’s not kid on it doesn’t happen. And it’s legal. The only consideration when it came to his suspension was that they worked together and that was seen as inappropriate. And that’s why he was suspended for two days. To have a suspension on your record from work is not nothing. The independent committee who decided this seem to have got it just about right.
Do you feel like it should be a sacking offence?


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The 19 year old rejected his advance and it went no further. That would normally be the end of the matter in just about every other walk of life.


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Would it? Maybe in times gone by but 'get over it' or 'man up' doesn't really cut it in today's society - and rightly so. While great care must be taken to ensure lives and careers aren't scunnered by unfounded allegations, any allegation of sexual misconduct must be taken seriously. For some teenagers such incidents may not leave a lasting impression but for others it can be a disturbing and confusing situation to deal with. We don't know what sort of person this complainant is but it can take courage to come forward and make complaints of this nature, especially when the allegations concern a person of relatively high standing. Look at how many years Salmond's sleazeball behaviour was allowed to pass unchallenged - and even when he was finally pulled up on it the complainants were badly let down by the Scottish government's substandard complaints procedure.

As I said, I'm surprised by the SNP's reaction to this situation where sympathy seems to lie more with the accused MP than the complainant and I wonder if there's more to the story than the media is party to. Mind you, in Blackford's case his heartless behaviour towards the late Charles Kennedy indicates that empathy may not be his strong suit.

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43 year olds def shouldn’t be making passes at 19 year olds in my opinion but let’s not kid on it doesn’t happen. And it’s legal. The only consideration when it came to his suspension was that they worked together and that was seen as inappropriate. And that’s why he was suspended for two days. To have a suspension on your record from work is not nothing. The independent committee who decided this seem to have got it just about right.
Do you feel like it should be a sacking offence?


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I think when the SNP come out and say they have a zero tolerance policy then it should literally mean that.

Whether it's legal or not is irrelevant. There are lots of things which are technically legal that our elected policitians shouldn't be doing. They are held to a higher standard than your local postman or plumber, that comes with the territory of having the privilege of representing their constituents. They represent the people of this country, stroking a teenagers hair, neck and back is not some m minor incident.

IMO in the current climate it would be best for everyone if he stood down.

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Would it? Maybe in times gone by but 'get over it' or 'man up' doesn't really cut it in today's society - and rightly so. While great care must be taken to ensure lives and careers aren't scunnered by unfounded allegations, any allegation of sexual misconduct must be taken seriously. For some teenagers such incidents may not leave a lasting impression but for others it can be a disturbing and confusing situation to deal with. We don't know what sort of person this complainant is but it can take courage to come forward and make complaints of this nature, especially when the allegations concern a person of relatively high standing. Look at how many years Salmond's sleazeball behaviour was allowed to pass unchallenged - and even when he was finally pulled up on it the complainants were badly let down by the Scottish government's substandard complaints procedure.

As I said, I'm surprised by the SNP's reaction to this situation where sympathy seems to lie more with the accused MP than the complainant and I wonder if there's more to the story than the media is party to. Mind you, in Blackford's case his heartless behaviour towards the late Charles Kennedy indicates that empathy may not be his strong suit.

I think there is no point speculating if there was more to it. The complaint was made, Grady admitted it and it was put to independent advisors to decide the outcome. It’s been accepted by the SNP. Grady’s career on the front bench is over now. I’d be surprised if he stands again.


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He's a creepy ******* and lucky to have a job. Bigger than the age difference is the position of power in the workplace. metoo isn't just for females.

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No, I think the likelihood of it being a journalist is slim.

To me, it points to a SNP MP not being happy with how the victim has been treated and has recorded it and leaked it for that reason. We will likely never know, but it seems the most plausible explanation IMO.

Hunt launched for the source of the leak:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-threatens-mps-over-westminster-leak-nb7tdrwhj

How many people would have been in this group meeting? Would it be terribly hard to narrow down the suspects?

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Hunt launched for the source of the leak:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-threatens-mps-over-westminster-leak-nb7tdrwhj

How many people would have been in this group meeting? Would it be terribly hard to narrow down the suspects?

I'd guess most of the SNP MPs? That's a good number.

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More concerned about the leak and protecting the sex pest than applying the zero tolerance that they preach

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More concerned about the leak and protecting the sex pest than applying the zero tolerance that they preach

Have seen something very similar in a 'normal' workplace a few months ago where it was a comparable outcome I'd be interested to see what happens... normally once the independent committee has made their ruling, that's it... however in politics the person needs to get reelected by the constituency to stand again... I'd be really disappointed if that happens.

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Have seen something very similar in a 'normal' workplace a few months ago where it was a comparable outcome I'd be interested to see what happens... normally once the independent committee has made their ruling, that's it... however in politics the person needs to get reelected by the constituency to stand again... I'd be really disappointed if that happens.

I would think that there would be legal ramifications for the SNP if they had done anything other than what the independent committee advised.


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I would think that there would be legal ramifications for the SNP if they had done anything other than what the independent committee advised.


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The independent committee was a House of Commons procedure, the SNP can dish out their own punishment. The fact they chose to be very lenient is their own choice. As multiple other posters have said it's the hypocrisy of Ian Blackford, he is on record as saying there would be zero tolerance of sexual impropriety, yet he was recorded saying people had to get behind Grady and offer him support.

What's your definition of zero tolerance?

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The independent committee was a House of Commons procedure, the SNP can dish out their own punishment. The fact they chose to be very lenient is their own choice. As multiple other posters have said it's the hypocrisy of Ian Blackford, he is on record as saying there would be zero tolerance of sexual impropriety, yet he was recorded saying people had to get behind Grady and offer him support.

What's your definition of zero tolerance?

In this case to try and steer the local members to not reselect him... mind you, often parties get grief for encouraging 'place men'.. hopefully that wouldn't be the case this time.

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In this case to try and steer the local members to not reselect him... mind you, often parties get grief for encouraging 'place men'.. hopefully that wouldn't be the case this time.

What a bizarre series of events as now the SNP Chief Whip says there will be no tolerance of leakers and threatens his own MPs with legal and potentially criminal action.

No tolerance of leaking but those accused of sexual misconduct get the full support of the party.

Not a great few days for the SNP London group and more to come as Patrica Gibson is up next for sexual misconduct.

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What a bizarre series of events as now the SNP Chief Whip says there will be no tolerance of leakers and threatens his own MPs with legal and potentially criminal action.

No tolerance of leaking but those accused of sexual misconduct get the full support of the party.

Not a great few days for the SNP London group and more to come as Patrica Gibson is up next for sexual misconduct.

It does appear to be a strange course of action they are taking.

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What a bizarre series of events as now the SNP Chief Whip says there will be no tolerance of leakers and threatens his own MPs with legal and potentially criminal action.

No tolerance of leaking but those accused of sexual misconduct get the full support of the party.

Not a great few days for the SNP London group and more to come as Patrica Gibson is up next for sexual misconduct.

Not sure what I've quoted above ties into my post....

Surely you must agree that they should get rid of him by the quickest legal process? .... and like me would be disappointed and angry if they didn't...

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Not sure what I've quoted above ties into my post....

Surely you must agree that they should get rid of him by the quickest legal process? .... and like me would be disappointed and angry if they didn't...

A 2 day suspension and shouts of "hear hear" in support for him are not the actions of a party that wants to get rid of him. As ex Chief Whip he will know everyone's secrets!

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A 2 day suspension and shouts of "hear hear" in support for him are not the actions of a party that wants to get rid of him. As ex Chief Whip he will know everyone's secrets!

At the very least Grady and Blackford should resign ….but they won’t as they are enjoying the gravy train

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The conduct of Grady would be taken really seriously in any job where the person is in a position of trust and may well be gross misconduct.
It's not acceptable behaviour at any time in the workplace and with the gross imbalance of power - a teenager who will be petrified to rock the boat as their career could be jeopardised and these MPs are in close circles with the FM of Scotland...I can't see how anyone can't see how poor this is and how this very young person might be feeling.
Seen a lot of folk dismissing this because of loyalty to a cause or party. Think this is something we have seen somewhere else not that long ago.

Quite remarkable that the focus seems to be weeding out the leak rather than supporting the young person or doing the right thing.

Whether it's protecting the Crown, a party or a cause...this should not be happening. Very depressing

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Hope she didn’t touch his back as well? The trauma for the poor guy.


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The subsequent complaint against North Ayrshire and Arran MP Patricia Gibson has been upheld according to this update:

Ian Blackford ‘should go’ as SNP Westminster leader for backing shamed MP | Scotland | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

I sense this issue has the potential to become more awkward for the SNP than they initially assumed. Probably all a dastardly plot to undermine them in the wake of last week's latest independence proclamations mind you

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The subsequent complaint against North Ayrshire and Arran MP Patricia Gibson has been upheld according to this update:

Ian Blackford ‘should go’ as SNP Westminster leader for backing shamed MP | Scotland | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

I sense this issue has the potential to become more awkward for the SNP than they initially assumed. Probably all a dastardly plot to undermine them in the wake of last week's latest independence proclamations mind you

Tend to agree, I think there's going to be more scrutiny and pressure coming.

On that last paragraph, it wouldn't surprise me if that actually was the case!
On the Tory thread some were speculating that revelations coming out re Johnson seemed to getting nicely drip fed

[James310]

https://twitter.com/AmyCallaghanSNP/...0BLbiGC_g&s=19

At least some in the party seem to be taking it more seriously than some on here.

Fair play to her for this statement.

Although like all of these kind of statements there is a little bit of sorry I got caught. If the tape hadn't been leaked by her colleague then she would have made no statement.

[Stairway 2 7]

What were snp thinking not going hard on this, its 2022.

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🧵I wasn’t at the SNP Westminster group meeting last week. I don’t condone the covert recording or leak. However, for some time the SNP has had significant problems in how it handles complaints

My party needs to reflect on the contrast between the treatment of different “offenders” and to review our arrangements for the pastoral care of complainers

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SNP should have suspended Grady instead now this will rumble on. It was utterly ridiculous to throw your weight of support behind a guy who's just admitted to sexual misconduct.

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As a member, I find the SNP's "we need to move on" approach very disappointing.