SNP are lying b******s as well !

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I’m a Labour Party member and I support the right of the Scottish Parliament to hold a referendum. Both sides can then put forward their arguments and we the people can decide just as did in 2014. Democracy can’t be dictated too, it’s got to be the right of the people to decide. I do feel that our world has changed since 2014, Brexit is a game change for many. But for me, I voted No in 2014, to enable us to change the U.K. but the vision I supported was put to the people under Jeremy Corbyn and was rejected twice. If the leave/yes campaign offers a more equal society, proposes better employment laws, scraps the anti trade union laws, increase benefits, builds more houses, invests in our NHS and Education, reforms social care, scraps the monarchy and has a more progressive tax system then I’m a definite Leave/Yes voter. We need the vision of Scotland to be radical not just a watered down version of the Westminster system and it needs to delivering for the many not the few

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I’m a Labour Party member and I support the right of the Scottish Parliament to hold a referendum. Both sides can then put forward their arguments and we the people can decide just as did in 2014. Democracy can’t be dictated too, it’s got to be the right of the people to decide. I do feel that our world has changed since 2014, Brexit is a game change for many. But for me, I voted No in 2014, to enable us to change the U.K. but the vision I supported was put to the people under Jeremy Corbyn and was rejected twice. If the leave/yes campaign offers a more equal society, proposes better employment laws, scraps the anti trade union laws, increase benefits, builds more houses, invests in our NHS and Education, reforms social care, scraps the monarchy and has a more progressive tax system then I’m a definite Leave/Yes voter. We need the vision of Scotland to be radical not just a watered down version of the Westminster system and it needs to delivering for the many not the few

There will be many in the same boat. I was scunnered when Corbyn lost. I think someone like him simply has no chance of winning in the uk. As much as I feel solidarity to the left in England over the right in Scotland, unfortunately I can't take more tory Westminster governments.

I'm sure there will be a strong Labour party again post independence, there will also be Conservatives. But I feel as Scotland is much more left leaning that the Scottish Labour Party will have more freedom for social reform.

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I’m a Labour Party member and I support the right of the Scottish Parliament to hold a referendum. Both sides can then put forward their arguments and we the people can decide just as did in 2014. Democracy can’t be dictated too, it’s got to be the right of the people to decide. I do feel that our world has changed since 2014, Brexit is a game change for many. But for me, I voted No in 2014, to enable us to change the U.K. but the vision I supported was put to the people under Jeremy Corbyn and was rejected twice. If the leave/yes campaign offers a more equal society, proposes better employment laws, scraps the anti trade union laws, increase benefits, builds more houses, invests in our NHS and Education, reforms social care, scraps the monarchy and has a more progressive tax system then I’m a definite Leave/Yes voter. We need the vision of Scotland to be radical not just a watered down version of the Westminster system and it needs to delivering for the many not the few

Great post.

I think we could find ourselves in the same party post independence.

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I’m a Labour Party member and I support the right of the Scottish Parliament to hold a referendum. Both sides can then put forward their arguments and we the people can decide just as did in 2014. Democracy can’t be dictated too, it’s got to be the right of the people to decide. I do feel that our world has changed since 2014, Brexit is a game change for many. But for me, I voted No in 2014, to enable us to change the U.K. but the vision I supported was put to the people under Jeremy Corbyn and was rejected twice. If the leave/yes campaign offers a more equal society, proposes better employment laws, scraps the anti trade union laws, increase benefits, builds more houses, invests in our NHS and Education, reforms social care, scraps the monarchy and has a more progressive tax system then I’m a definite Leave/Yes voter. We need the vision of Scotland to be radical not just a watered down version of the Westminster system and it needs to delivering for the many not the few

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61853621

Too much to hope we'll be spared his nasal tones at Westminster? I used to find his predecessor Angus Robertson unbearably smug but Blackford outdoes him for pomposity.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61853621

Too much to hope we'll be spared his nasal tones at Westminster? I used to find his predecessor Angus Robertson unbearably smug but Blackford outdoes him for pomposity.

The Sun has the tapes of the SNP parliament meeting where they were all cheering and saying "hear hear" regarding supporting Patrick Grady.

The big question is which SNP MP recorded it and leaked it. I think we can all make an educated guess. 🍒

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61853621

Too much to hope we'll be spared his nasal tones at Westminster? I used to find his predecessor Angus Robertson unbearably smug but Blackford outdoes him for pomposity.

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The Sun has the tapes of the SNP parliament meeting where they were all cheering and saying "hear hear" regarding supporting Patrick Grady.

The big question is which SNP MP recorded it and leaked it. I think we can all make an educated guess.

I really don’t see how this becomes a problem? What Grady done was unprofessional but that’s about it. The two day suspension seems just about right. Am I missing something here? It looks based on the info from the 19 year old himself that it was just a clumsy sexual advance in a bar? Hardly the crime of the century. A bit sleazy due to age difference and obviously unprofessional due to them working together but not a sacking offence?


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I really don’t see how this becomes a problem? What Grady done was unprofessional but that’s about it. The two day suspension seems just about right. Am I missing something here? It looks based on the info from the 19 year old himself that it was just a clumsy sexual advance in a bar? Hardly the crime of the century. A bit sleazy due to age difference and obviously unprofessional due to them working together but not a sacking offence?


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I guess if you say you have zero tolerance to sexually inappropriate behavior then zero tolerance should mean exactly that. Not well it's not that bad and it was only a drunken pass so we will let it go with a 2 day suspension. Seems a bit hypocrital that's all.

Joanna Cherry wasn't there, which makes it even more interesting. Who could it be?

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I guess if you say you have zero tolerance to sexually inappropriate behavior then zero tolerance should mean exactly that. Not well it's not that bad and it was only a drunken pass so we will let it go with a 2 day suspension. Seems a bit hypocrital that's all.

Joanna Cherry wasn't there, which makes it even more interesting. Who could it be?

Chris Musson.🐽

Next time you have an educated guess, you might want to find out who was in the room.

#basics

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Chris Musson.🐽

Next time you have an educated guess, you might want to find out who was in the room.

#basics

What's the Chris Musson reference for? Did he record it, how did he do that?

How would I know who is in the room?

Is there a list somewhere online?

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What's the Chris Musson reference for? Did he record it, how did he do that?

How would I know who is in the room?

Is there a list somewhere online?

The sun has form on taping events/people.

Why did you suggest 🍒?

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The sun has form on taping events/people.

Why did you suggest 🍒?

I suggested Cherry because of the falling she has had with the party.

Are you suggesting the Sun illegally bugged the House of Commons, probably the most secure building in the UK? Really? How would they have managed that?

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Hopefully we, the public, actually get to hear the tape and the context this support is said.

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I suggested Cherry because of the falling she has had with the party.

Are you suggesting the Sun illegally bugged the House of Commons, probably the most secure building in the UK? Really? How would they have managed that?

Journalists never walk the corridors of power. 😆

They're regularly seen sat outside meeting rooms. It's not beyond the wit of man to see how it could be done, but, you seem to have it that it's an SNP mole.

Crack on. 👍

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Hopefully we, the public, actually get to hear the tape and the context this support is said.

It's online in most press websites.

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Journalists never walk the corridors of power. 😆

They're regularly seen sat outside meeting rooms. It's not beyond the wit of man to see how it could be done, but, you seem to have it that it's an SNP mole.

Crack on. 👍

Has there every been an incident of a journalist secretly recording a meeting within the House of Commons? I genuinely can't think of that ever happening before.

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It's online in most press websites.

Thanks, I have only seen links to the Mail which I don’t read

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Has there every been an incident of a journalist secretly recording a meeting within the House of Commons? I genuinely can't think of that ever happening before.

Why would they admit to that 😆 they also wouldn't admit to tapping dead children's phones unless caught

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Why would they admit to that 😆 they also wouldn't admit to tapping dead children's phones unless caught

To be honest, I can't even think of any meetings being taped at all from Westminster and released to the public.

Maybe I'm missing am obvious incident but I genuinely can't remember hearing a taped conversation from a secured meeting in Westminster.

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To be honest, I can't even think of any meetings being taped at all from Westminster and released to the public.

Maybe I'm missing am obvious incident but I genuinely can't remember hearing a taped conversation from a secured meeting in Westminster.

None of us on here know who's done the deed. Im just pointing out that it could be one of many people.

It wasn't Joanna cherry though, unless she had an ear to the back door, as the other one was covered by Chris Musson. 😆

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None of us on here know who's done the deed. Im just pointing out that it could be one of many people.

It wasn't Joanna cherry though, unless she had an ear to the back door, as the other one was covered by Chris Musson. 😆

I just think if it was as easy as you are suggesting for a journalist to do something like that it would have happened previously. Some of the conversations would be like gold dust to a journalist, in the grand scheme of things this would actually be pretty insignificant.

The likelihood is that it was done by someone in the SNP who probably feels the victim hasn't been properly supported and sidelined like they are claiming.

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It would appear that the SNP aren't convinced that the complainant should be taken especially seriously when you bear in mind how quickly they effectively ended the political careers of Mackay and McDonald. For Blackford to have called them into a meeting at which the MP they'd made the complaint against was present to make an apology seems odd in the light of the fact that during the Salmond fiasco Salmond askd for a similar meeting with complainants but saw that request (rightly IMHO) declined.

Said it earlier but Sturgeon's statement here also struck me as curious as it contained no direct apology to the complainant.

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Finding who made the recording is irrelevant to me at this time, the pathetic punishment handed out to Grady for making sexual advances to a teenager 17 years his junior, we know little about the victim but had I been a 19 year hit on by a man 17 years my senior I am sure it would have ended up with him having a sore face.

Is this the zero tolerance that Blackford spoke about.

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It would appear that the SNP aren't convinced that the complainant should be taken especially seriously when you bear in mind how quickly they effectively ended the political careers of Mackay and McDonald. For Blackford to have called them into a meeting at which the MP they'd made the complaint against was present to make an apology seems odd in the light of the fact that during the Salmond fiasco Salmond askd for a similar meeting with complainants but saw that request (rightly IMHO) declined.

Said it earlier but Sturgeon's statement here also struck me as curious as it contained no direct apology to the complainant.

I'm sure I read the incident took place in 2016? It seems strange it's only coming to light now.

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To be honest, I can't even think of any meetings being taped at all from Westminster and released to the public.

Maybe I'm missing am obvious incident but I genuinely can't remember hearing a taped conversation from a secured meeting in Westminster.

How would we know if it happened or not it's illegal they are hardly going to say. As I said we only know about the wire taps on phones because there house of cards fell down. Mps aren't meant to record things but I'm sure they do on there phone. They could also just phone a journalist during a meeting. They wouldn't literally physically put in a bug

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How would we know if it happened or not it's illegal they are hardly going to say. As I said we only know about the wire taps on phones because there house of cards fell down. Mps aren't meant to record things but I'm sure they do on there phone. They could also just phone a journalist during a meeting. They wouldn't literally physically put in a bug

My understanding is that the actual tapes are in the media, as far as I'm aware that has never happened before.

You don't think in all the years of journalists being in the HOC that a tape would be leaked? It's never happened previously. If journalists were regularly, or had the ability to, tape a conversation you can absolutely guarantee it would have been made public previously.

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My understanding is that the actual tapes are in the media, as far as I'm aware that has never happened before.

You don't think in all the years of journalists being in the HOC that a tape would be leaked? It's never happened previously. If journalists were regularly, or had the ability to, tape a conversation you can absolutely guarantee it would have been made public previously.

So you think this is a genuine first and it happens to be the snp

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So you think this is a genuine first and it happens to be the snp

No, I think the likelihood of it being a journalist is slim.

To me, it points to a SNP MP not being happy with how the victim has been treated and has recorded it and leaked it for that reason. We will likely never know, but it seems the most plausible explanation IMO.

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No, I think the likelihood of it being a journalist is slim.

To me, it points to a SNP MP not being happy with how the victim has been treated and has recorded it and leaked it for that reason. We will likely never know, but it seems the most plausible explanation IMO.

I'd agree that's what usually happens

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I'm sure I read the incident took place in 2016? It seems strange it's only coming to light now.

The complainant also alleged inappropriate behaviour towards him from a female SNP MP in 2020 according to this piece in the Record. Don't know what follow-up there's been on that:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ian-blackford-called-quit-over-27272894