Driving Pet Peeves

[SaulGoodman]

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Again, SG's post did not specify what road they were talking about. How do we know 40 was too slow?!?

Incidentally, I take it you mean your van is limited to 60 for the A1 where it is dual carriageway, 50 for single lane?

But.. I am SG mate.. and the whole point in my reply was to answer your question about what road it was on

Mechanically limited to 62 for clarification as well.

[Jones28]

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Where in SaulGoodmans post does he mention the speed of the road? As I said, he could have been taking about Calder Rd or the A8 for all I know!
Not all dual carriageways are 70mph, and none are for all vehicles.

The vast majority of dc’s are high speed, 60/70mph in my experience. 40mph on those roads is dangerous.

Why would anyone be critical of someone doing the speed limit on Calder road?

[Hibrandenburg]

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I'm in total agreement with you.

There is a fairly lengthy debate about this earlier on the thread at some point - amazingly some people didn't seem to think driving at 40 for no real reason on the bypass should be seen as a problem.

The speed limit is just that a limit, it's not there as a recommend speed. If there are minimum speed limits then they too have to be adhered to, otherwise drivers need to expect to encounter vehicles travelling at different speeds.

[matty_f]

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The vast majority of dc’s are high speed, 60/70mph in my experience. 40mph on those roads is dangerous.

Why would anyone be critical of someone doing the speed limit on Calder road?

Sure it’s been mentioned before but the dual carriageway from Crammond to the bridges being a 40 for a large stretch of it, then a 50 is completely unnecessary. Could/should be national speed limit, even if that was outside peak times.

[J-C]

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Sure it’s been mentioned before but the dual carriageway from Crammond to the bridges being a 40 for a large stretch of it, then a 50 is completely unnecessary. Could/should be national speed limit, even if that was outside peak times.

It was to slow cars down approaching Crammond Crescent just after Miller and Carter, before they used come flying down off the dual carriageway at speeds of 50-60 mph.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It was to slow cars down approaching Crammond Crescent just after Miller and Carter, before they used come flying down off the dual carriageway at speeds of 50-60 mph.

And subsequently on the way out of town the same limits must be applied, unfortunately 😉

[J-C]

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And subsequently on the way out of town the same limits must be applied, unfortunately 😉

The 40 limit ends when you drive past the Miller and Carter but the 40 limit starts far too early before the Miller and Carter heading into town, a fair distance before the slip road coming from Kirkliston.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The 40 limit ends when you drive past the Miller and Carter but the 40 limit starts far too early before the Miller and Carter heading into town, a fair distance before the slip road coming from Kirkliston.

The 40 out of town continues about a mile past the Cramond Brig. The 50 starts at the same place the 40 starts on the way in to town.

[Jones28]

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The speed limit is just that a limit, it's not there as a recommend speed. If there are minimum speed limits then they too have to be adhered to, otherwise drivers need to expect to encounter vehicles travelling at different speeds.

Surely you can understand the danger of someone doing just over half the speed limit when the majority of people will doing 60-70+ on these roads?

[AltheHibby]

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Surely you can understand the danger of someone doing just over half the speed limit when the majority of people will doing 60-70+ on these roads?

In Germany trucks are restricted to the equivalent of 56MPH but in many parts of the Autobahn system cars are unrestricted. Having said that, I think that some manufacturers restrict them to a mere 155 MPH.

That the death rate isn't astronomical is down to the Germans being better drivers than us.

[matty_f]

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The 40 limit ends when you drive past the Miller and Carter but the 40 limit starts far too early before the Miller and Carter heading into town, a fair distance before the slip road coming from Kirkliston.

no it doesn’t, it’s 40 until much further along the road where it changes to a 50.

[LaMotta]

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The speed limit is just that a limit, it's not there as a recommend speed. If there are minimum speed limits then they too have to be adhered to, otherwise drivers need to expect to encounter vehicles travelling at different speeds.

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Surely you can understand the danger of someone doing just over half the speed limit when the majority of people will doing 60-70+ on these roads?

He can't - he argued previously that it was totally OK to do so, despite the police thinking otherwise. What you are saying is so obviously correct to me, but you'll end up going round in circles with a few on here trying to defend people driving dangerously.

The fact you would fail your driving test for unneccesarily doing 40 in a 70 should really be the end of the discussion.

[J-C]

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The 40 out of town continues about a mile past the Cramond Brig. The 50 starts at the same place the 40 starts on the way in to town.

Is it as far as that, have to check next time I'm going that way.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Is it as far as that, have to check next time I'm going that way.

Yep. Most people don't see the 40 sign beside the Brig and just assume it's a 50 there.

[J-C]

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Yep. Most people don't see the 40 sign beside the Brig and just assume it's a 50 there.

Must go back to 50 at the Kirkliston exit then.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Must go back to 50 at the Kirkliston exit then.

Sure it's just before the left hand sweeping bend near Dalmeny

[stuart-farquhar]

When half way over the entrance line to a roundabout a vehicle flies on to said roundabout without slowing and hits the horn because I've apparently cut them off! Happens regularly to me anyway.

[Hibrandenburg]

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He can't - he argued previously that it was totally OK to do so, despite the police thinking otherwise. What you are saying is so obviously correct to me, but you'll end up going round in circles with a few on here trying to defend people driving dangerously.

The fact you would fail your driving test for unneccesarily doing 40 in a 70 should really be the end of the discussion.

Oh I can, it's extremely rare for anyone to be pulled by the police for driving too slow as there is no national minimum speed limit, there'd have to be other factors involved before they'd charge anyone. There's all sorts of reasons why someone might be driving slower than the maximum speed limit, if you drove into the back of a slow moving vehicle, chances are it would be you that would be charged with driving without due care and attention.

[Killiehibbie]

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When half way over the entrance line to a roundabout a vehicle flies on to said roundabout without slowing and hits the horn because I've apparently cut them off! Happens regularly to me anyway.

Happened to me today, the fud was still raging miles later. Think he was more unhappy that his van wasn't fast enough to overtake my van.

[LaMotta]

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Oh I can, it's extremely rare for anyone to be pulled by the police for driving too slow as there is no national minimum speed limit, there'd have to be other factors involved before they'd charge anyone. There's all sorts of reasons why someone might be driving slower than the maximum speed limit, if you drove into the back of a slow moving vehicle, chances are it would be you that would be charged with driving without due care and attention.

The reason there is no national speed limit is because its incredibly difficult to police. Because as you point out there are some ( not all sorts of) valid times when cars have to go slowly on a motorway/ bypass. Like when crawling in slow moving congested traffic or coming to a standstill at for eg sherifhall roundabout.

But no one on this thread is talking about getting peeved at cars going 40 in those scenarios. It's about cars unnecccessarily dawdling along at 40 because they arent competent drivers, which is totally unacceptable to any right minded person.

Your last point is completely irrelevant to the topic as well - no one is arguing the contrary to that.

[Moulin Yarns]

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The reason there is no national speed limit is because its incredibly difficult to police. Because as you point out there are some ( not all sorts of) valid times when cars have to go slowly on a motorway/ bypass. Like when crawling in slow moving congested traffic or coming to a standstill at for eg sherifhall roundabout.

But no one on this thread is talking about getting peeved at cars going 40 in those scenarios. It's about cars unnecccessarily dawdling along at 40 because they arent competent drivers, which is totally unacceptable to any right minded person.

Your last point is completely irrelevant to the topic as well - no one is arguing the contrary to that.

You don't know what the circumstances are for the car doing 40 on a dual carriageway or motorway. As an example a mechanical problem which I've had was my car going into limp home mode. On a dual carriageway I would have stuck the hazard lights on and made my way to the next lay-by, as it was on a single carriageway section of the A9 I pulled over onto the grass verge. There are many reasons for driving slower than you are. I mean I am in the countryside and we have a lot of farm traffic.

[Just Alf]

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You don't know what the circumstances are for the car doing 40 on a dual carriageway or motorway. As an example a mechanical problem which I've had was my car going into limp home mode. On a dual carriageway I would have stuck the hazard lights on and made my way to the next lay-by, as it was on a single carriageway section of the A9 I pulled over onto the grass verge. There are many reasons for driving slower than you are. I mean I am in the countryside and we have a lot of farm traffic.

I agree, it's also true though, that someone driving at a significantly different speed to every one else is exposing themselves (and others) to more danger than if we were all travelling at the same speed.

It's why we have things like the think horse/bike campaigns every so often.

[LaMotta]

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You don't know what the circumstances are for the car doing 40 on a dual carriageway or motorway. As an example a mechanical problem which I've had was my car going into limp home mode. On a dual carriageway I would have stuck the hazard lights on and made my way to the next lay-by, as it was on a single carriageway section of the A9 I pulled over onto the grass verge. There are many reasons for driving slower than you are. I mean I am in the countryside and we have a lot of farm traffic.

You came out with this nonsense last time . If your car is limping along in a 70 you should be pulling into the hard shoulder and phoning for a mechanic/tow truck. Anyway you two are clearly on here at the wind up, it's dangerous to drive too slowly without reason. If you are genuinely not on the wind up then neither of you should be able to get behind a wheel, and good luck to anyone who has the misfortune of being one of your passengers.

[J-C]

People driving bog standard wee cars who turn left at a junction or into a street so slowly you'd think it was an arctic they were driving.

[Moulin Yarns]

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You came out with this nonsense last time . If your car is limping along in a 70 you should be pulling into the hard shoulder and phoning for a mechanic/tow truck. Anyway you two are clearly on here at the wind up, it's dangerous to drive too slowly without reason. If you are genuinely not on the wind up then neither of you should be able to get behind a wheel, and good luck to anyone who has the misfortune of being one of your passengers.

As I said, unless you are aware of the reason for them driving slower than others you should not criticise.


I also said that when I did have a mechanical problem I pulled off the road onto the verge.

There are no hard shoulders on dual carriageways or modern 'smart' motorways.


If you find that you come up behind a slow moving vehicle, be it a car, lorry, tractor or caravan and need to brake or swerve then it is you that is driving without due care and attention.

[Wembley67]

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People driving bog standard wee cars who turn left at a junction or into a street so slowly you'd think it was an arctic they were driving.

Totally!!! Folk that can't turn at traffic lights either to the extent that the lights change so you can't get through yourself!

[nonshinyfinish]

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People driving bog standard wee cars who turn left at a junction or into a street so slowly you'd think it was an arctic they were driving.

Understandable to slow down in freezing conditions.

[McD]

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People driving bog standard wee cars who turn left at a junction or into a street so slowly you'd think it was an arctic they were driving.

Usually turning away from the corner first to widen the angle - it’s a tiny car, you don’t need to widen the angle!

[Scouse Hibee]

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People driving bog standard wee cars who turn left at a junction or into a street so slowly you'd think it was an arctic they were driving.

Even worse, the idiots that turn left from the outside lane because they don’t understand when they can use bus lanes.

[J-C]

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Understandable to slow down in freezing conditions.

Not talking about freezing conditions, happened this morning at the foot of Brighton Cres at the lights, nearly missed the lights because it took her so long to turn left in her Clio.