SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Would be great if all school kids got dinner (if it was healthy). Depressing seeing the hoards of school kids outside Greggs and chippies.

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Submit your Census in today if you need to, or potentially get a fine. Will it reach the 94% target I wonder?

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Submit your Census in today if you need to, or potentially get a fine. Will it reach the 94% target I wonder?

'Scotland's Census has failed'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/solo-scotland-has-failed-on-census-mppq96p2q

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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scotlan...mes-into-force

That's not a lie. 😉

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'Scotland's Census has failed'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/solo-scotland-has-failed-on-census-mppq96p2q

Congratulations. You will be delighted that the narrative that it was an SNP census rather than a government one has worked with the harder of thinking. Gives you another chance to say the SNP are bad. Never before has a census in Scotland or England as far as I can see has ever been badged as a certain parties census.

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Congratulations. You will be delighted that the narrative that it was an SNP census rather than a government one has worked with the harder of thinking. Gives you another chance to say the SNP are bad. Never before has a census in Scotland or England as far as I can see has ever been badged as a certain parties census.

The areas with the lowest response rates were the area with the highest Yes votes so I don't think it can purely be put down to people not doing it because it's seen as an SNP Census.

Detaching it from the UK one looks like a mistake in hindsight, but I am sure there will be an inquiry and lessons will be learned.

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The areas with the lowest response rates were the area with the highest Yes votes so I don't think it can purely be put down to people not doing it because it's seen as an SNP Census.

Perhaps that is a good barometer of support for independence in these areas that folk wanted to fill in Scottish census in the face of the msm/Labour/Tory negativity 🤔😄

Detaching it from the UK one looks like a mistake in hindsight, but I am sure there will be an inquiry and lessons will be learned.

Why would a Scotland only census be a mistake? We have powers, nowhere near enough in my view but that's another matter, to allocate funding etc on a Scottish level so makes sense to ask questions directly to the people who live here. High profile Tories and Labour Murdo Fraser, Jackie Baillie etc were all having a poke about it being SNP and anti British. Total BS but obviously had an impact. Pretty sad and even sadder when you see some glorying in the fact that it was 90%.

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Why would a Scotland only census be a mistake? We have powers, nowhere near enough in my view but that's another matter, to allocate funding etc on a Scottish level so makes sense to ask questions directly to the people who live here. High profile Tories and Labour Murdo Fraser, Jackie Baillie etc were all having a poke about it being SNP and anti British. Total BS but obviously had an impact. Pretty sad and even sadder when you see some glorying in the fact that it was 90%.

Scotland has always had it's own Census, we have managed to have a successful Census for literally decades when we did it all together at the same time, questions surely need to be asked why the one time we did it a bit differently it has failed to reach the same response rates as the rest of the UK. It was extended at a cost of about £30M and the total cost is about £150M, if they find this one is of no use because of the low response rate and they need to spend another £100M+ then as taxpayers we should understand why.

Politicians are all the same, no different to the SNP ones moaning about something or another. If they see a failure they will make political gain from it, or try to. That's kind of their jobs, to hold a government to account for perceived failure. That's Scottish politics these days though, everything seen from the lense of the constitution.

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Scotland has always had it's own Census, we have managed to have a successful Census for literally decades when we did it all together at the same time, questions surely need to be asked why the one time we did it a bit differently it has failed to reach the same response rates as the rest of the UK. It was extended at a cost of about £30M and the total cost is about £150M, if they find this one is of no use because of the low response rate and they need to spend another £100M+ then as taxpayers we should understand why.

Politicians are all the same, no different to the SNP ones moaning about something or another. If they see a failure they will make political gain from it, or try to. That's kind of their jobs, to hold a government to account for perceived failure. That's Scottish politics these days though, everything seen from the lense of the constitution.

I'm sorry but this is nothing to do with holding government to account. There were elected members of both parliaments who were encouraging non completion, ably assisted by the msm. I am am SNP member and have been critical of the government where appropriate. I just don't think it needs to be done on every issue on every occasion by the same culprits every time. Again, assisted by the media. There are people within our Parliament who never talk Scotland up, want to run the country down and never want to discuss Scotlands positives. For example inward investment in Scotland has far outstripped the UK and European numbers. I didn't see any member of the opposition parties talk about it and it was on the BBC website very briefly

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I'm sorry but this is nothing to do with holding government to account. There were elected members of both parliaments who were encouraging non completion, ably assisted by the msm. I am am SNP member and have been critical of the government where appropriate. I just don't think it needs to be done on every issue on every occasion by the same culprits every time. Again, assisted by the media. There are people within our Parliament who never talk Scotland up, want to run the country down and never want to discuss Scotlands positives. For example inward investment in Scotland has far outstripped the UK and European numbers. I didn't see any member of the opposition parties talk about it and it was on the BBC website very briefly

Who were the mps who asked people not to fill out the census, would that not be illegal?

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I'm sorry but this is nothing to do with holding government to account. There were elected members of both parliaments who were encouraging non completion, ably assisted by the msm. I am am SNP member and have been critical of the government where appropriate. I just don't think it needs to be done on every issue on every occasion by the same culprits every time. Again, assisted by the media. There are people within our Parliament who never talk Scotland up, want to run the country down and never want to discuss Scotlands positives. For example inward investment in Scotland has far outstripped the UK and European numbers. I didn't see any member of the opposition parties talk about it and it was on the BBC website very briefly

Did a politician really say don't complete the Census, I would doubt that seeing as it's a legal requirement and can't imagine anyone encouraging people to break the law.

On your other point how often do you see Labour or the Lib Dems etc in Westminster talking how great the UK is and "talking the UK up" and all the positives that the Tory's have overseen? You don't because that's not how a parliament works.

Criticism of the SNP is not criticism of Scotland, the SNP are not Scotland so if someone has a go at the SNP they are not having a go at Scotland they are having a go at the SNP.

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Did a politician really say don't complete the Census, I would doubt that seeing as it's a legal requirement and can't imagine anyone encouraging people to break the law.

On your other point how often do you see Labour or the Lib Dems etc in Westminster talking how great the UK is and "talking the UK up" and all the positives that the Tory's have overseen? You don't because that's not how a parliament works.

Criticism of the SNP is not criticism of Scotland, the SNP are not Scotland so if someone has a go at the SNP they are not having a go at Scotland they are having a go at the SNP.

Well put. You can be anti-Scottish nationalism without being anti-Scottish.

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Well put. You can be anti-Scottish nationalism without being anti-Scottish.

I remember reading a survey that found half of SNP supporters agreed with the statement "when people criticise my party, it feels like a personal insult”. The figure was twice the average of other parties.

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Well put. You can be anti-Scottish nationalism without being anti-Scottish.

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I remember reading a survey that found half of SNP supporters agreed with the statement "when people criticise my party, it feels like a personal insult”. The figure was twice the average of other parties.

read it and weep!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...finds/?ref=rss

apologies, that's behind a paywall.


Same story.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...scots-england/

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read it and weep!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...finds/?ref=rss

apologies, that's behind a paywall.


Same story.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...scots-england/

Why would we read that and weep? They are both behind a pay wall as well.

Has it anything to do with a criticism of the SNP not being a criticism of Scotland?

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It's nothing to do with the snp. But people would be lying to themselves to say their aren't a number of anti English in Scotland. Every nation has its areseholes though, so why should we be any different. Show me a nation without bigots

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Why would we read that and weep? They are both behind a pay wall as well.

Has it anything to do with a criticism of the SNP not being a criticism of Scotland?

Because you have read too many Herald and National articles and can't access them let me summarise.

As a result of Brexit, since 2016 people with scottish accents living and working in england faced the same kind of racisism as west indians in the 60s with people being told to 'go home'

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It's nothing to do with the snp. But people would be lying to themselves to say their aren't a number of anti English in Scotland. Every nation has its areseholes though, so why should we be any different. Show me a nation without bigots

And I'll show you paradise!

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Because you have read too many Herald and National articles and can't access them let me summarise.

As a result of Brexit, since 2016 people with scottish accents living and working in england faced the same kind of racisism as west indians in the 60s with people being told to 'go home'

Ok, so that's obviously a bad thing and nobody would say otherwise. Your point?

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Ok, so that's obviously a bad thing and nobody would say otherwise. Your point?

As Stairway said, it is happening in every country in some form, so get of your anti-english horse and realise that we should do better at calling it out regardless of where you are.

And also, as Stairway said, this has nothing to do with the SNP or Labour, or Tory. It's endemic in the whole of the UK in various forms!

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As Stairway said, it is happening in every country in some form, so get of your anti-english horse and realise that we should do better at calling it out regardless of where you are.

And also, as Stairway said, this has nothing to do with the SNP or Labour, or Tory. It's endemic in the whole of the UK in various forms!

Maybe some crossed wires on your part, but all good and I agree with you.

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Maybe some crossed wires on your part, but all good and I agree with you.

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So it’s a good thing the Yes movement and the SNP is calling it out? Good to see all you guys give them the thumbs up.


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As Stairway said, it is happening in every country in some form, so get of your anti-english horse and realise that we should do better at calling it out regardless of where you are.

And also, as Stairway said, this has nothing to do with the SNP or Labour, or Tory. It's endemic in the whole of the UK in various forms!

Agreed. It's a non story as you would expect in the telegraph. My wife's English and she's went from always labour to verging on militant snp. I doubt she would if it was anti English. She likes nothing more when were down south, feigning surprise and pity that they pay for prescriptions and university ect when talking to people

For me its not about nationality. Its about having a chance at making a fairer society, away from the corrupt and self serving Westminster

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Agreed. It's a non story as you would expect in the telegraph. My wife's English and she's went from always labour to verging on militant snp. I doubt she would if it was anti English. She likes nothing more when were down south, feigning surprise and pity that they pay for prescriptions and university ect when talking to people

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read it and weep!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...finds/?ref=rss

apologies, that's behind a paywall.


Same story.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...scots-england/

I'm unclear how that relates to being Scottish but not buying into Scottish nationalism.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...less-6h5wscltl

Minimum alcohol price means drinkers ‘eat less and heat less’

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...less-6h5wscltl

Minimum alcohol price means drinkers ‘eat less and heat less’

That's the (biased) Times take on things. The author of the report was interviewed on GMS today and he was uncritical of minimum alcohol pricing, despite Laura Maxwell twice trying to get him to say as much.

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Not really got an opinion on it. Sure people still drink, probably just spend more. I wouldn't mind that as a tax. The only problem I have with it I suppose is it shouldn't be giving money to rich supermarkets. The money should have been spent on alcohol education or treatment

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61710564

Bigger article about it here