SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Bottlenecks will always be there because it’s only two lane. The funding of a large part of the bridge came from the EU but from a fund that only allowed for a replacement. As the old bridge only had two lanes then the new one could only have two lanes. Anymore would be seen as an upgrade and the money would not have been available. The only difference is that it was allowed a hard shoulder which the old one did not have.


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I didn't realise there were limitations on the funding like that - interesting.

I'm not entirely convinced that the roads feeding in don't add to it, but I'm no town planner!

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Cars..... Queensferry Crossing.... Success
Cars..... A9 dualling.... Success so far (3 further dual carriageway sections opened)

I'll Trump you with Sheriffhall. And the A720 in general. 7 mile queue today. Failure.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I'll Trump you with Sheriffhall. And the A720 in general. 7 mile queue today. Failure.

Sherriffhall roundabout was first opened in 1988, 11 years before the Scottish Government was created. The A720, 1981. Who are you blaming for the congestion???

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Sherriffhall roundabout was first opened in 1988, 11 years before the Scottish Government was created. The A720, 1981. Who are you blaming for the congestion???

Lol, you mean that as well.

It's obviously Henry Ford's fault.

[marinello59]

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Bottlenecks will always be there because it’s only two lane. The funding of a large part of the bridge came from the EU but from a fund that only allowed for a replacement. As the old bridge only had two lanes then the new one could only have two lanes. Anymore would be seen as an upgrade and the money would not have been available. The only difference is that it was allowed a hard shoulder which the old one did not have.


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What percentage of funding came from the EU and can you provide a link to the EU rules that said they wouldn’t invest in improvements to infrastructure.

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What percentage of funding came from the EU and can you provide a link to the EU rules that said they wouldn’t invest in improvements to infrastructure.

No idea on EU Funding sum, all I know is that it was from Scottish capital funding budget.

In terms of number of lanes I thought that was down to cost and infrastructure capacity out-with the 22km of works that formed the bridge project and also due to planning around local authority concerns about increased traffic volumes. That was why they introduced the the integrated traffic management systems instead.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Lol, you mean that as well.

It's obviously Henry Ford's fault.

Well, I suppose you might be correct, if Karl Benz hadn't beat Ford to it by 22 years. 😂😂😂


Meanwhile I'm wondering when Henry Ford joined the SNP 🤔😁

[greenginger]

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Sherriffhall roundabout was first opened in 1988, 11 years before the Scottish Government was created. The A720, 1981. Who are you blaming for the congestion???

OK so the Scott Government did not do the original build but they’ve done SFA to address the congestion problems as they have developed over the years.

[Moulin Yarns]

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OK so the Scott Government did not do the original build but they’ve done SFA to address the congestion problems as they have developed over the years.

That's a lie. Maybe it should be on another thread 😉


https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/a720-sheriffhall-roundabout/project-details/


As has been mentioned previously somewhere there are lots of issues with the ground around the area, mine workings, a geological fault line for starters.

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No idea on EU Funding sum, all I know is that it was from Scottish capital funding budget.

In terms of number of lanes I thought that was down to cost and infrastructure capacity out-with the 22km of works that formed the bridge project and also due to planning around local authority concerns about increased traffic volumes. That was why they introduced the the integrated traffic management systems instead.

I’m sure Oz will clear that one up soon.

The second part is how I understood it as well. Building a three lane crossing would have prohibitively expensive. Congestion levels are disappointing but sometimes we just have to concede that there are too many cars on the road, admit we are all part of the problem and turn on the radio and chill as we drive slowly home. greengrin
Politics aside the Queensferry crossing is a magnificent feat of engineering. I get an enormous sense of pride every time I see it. On that level alone I’d claim it as a success.

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I’m sure Oz will clear that one up soon.

The second part is how I understood it as well. Building a three lane crossing would have prohibitively expensive. Congestion levels are disappointing but sometimes we just have to concede that there are too many cars on the road, admit we are all part of the problem and turn on the radio and chill as we drive slowly home. greengrin
Politics aside the Queensferry crossing is a magnificent feat of engineering. I get an enormous sense of pride every time I see it. On that level alone I’d claim it as a success.

I had the chance to go up the towers when they were building it but bottled it because of my dislike of heights.
Very impressive bit of engineering that came in under budget but it was late in being delivered.

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I’m sure Oz will clear that one up soon.

The second part is how I understood it as well. Building a three lane crossing would have prohibitively expensive. Congestion levels are disappointing but sometimes we just have to concede that there are too many cars on the road, admit we are all part of the problem and turn on the radio and chill as we drive slowly home. greengrin
Politics aside the Queensferry crossing is a magnificent feat of engineering. I get an enormous sense of pride every time I see it. On that level alone I’d claim it as a success.

I can’t really back it up because I only know because I saw one of the white hats being interviewed on TV during the build and remembered it. I remember thinking at the time that surely they could have found a way. The guy on the TV seemed to be hinting that maybe the hard shoulder could be used at a future date to increase capacity but maybe not.


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I can’t really back it up because I only know because I saw one of the white hats being interviewed on TV during the build and remembered it. I remember thinking at the time that surely they could have found a way. The guy on the TV seemed to be hinting that maybe the hard shoulder could be used at a future date to increase capacity but maybe not.


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I remember that as well, maybe not the interview though. I was given a tour of the bridge while it was being built and it might have come up in the Q&A at the end.

I have it in my mind it wasn't the EU funding that wouldn't allow 3 lanes but UK government policy. Maybe some background environmental green policy.

The hard shoulder upgrade was a way round this, as you say could become a 3rd lane in the future but in the meantime meant that accidents or breakdowns were much less likely to cause the chaos they did on the old bridge.

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I’m sure Oz will clear that one up soon.

The second part is how I understood it as well. Building a three lane crossing would have prohibitively expensive. Congestion levels are disappointing but sometimes we just have to concede that there are too many cars on the road, admit we are all part of the problem and turn on the radio and chill as we drive slowly home. greengrin
Politics aside the Queensferry crossing is a magnificent feat of engineering. I get an enormous sense of pride every time I see it. On that level alone I’d claim it as a success.

the bridge is a fantastic feat of engineering and construction… the time spent arranging the roads on either side of it, not so much

what I would say in regards to the queues for the bridge, is every time I’m in a queue there, it’s always when the speed limit on the bridge has been lowered, usually to 40. There’s no need for that to happen on almost any of those occasions, and all it does is back up the traffic on either side, and as soon as you clear the bridge the traffic clears, as the speed limit is back to 70.

I can understand certain times requiring the speed limit to be lowered, but it seems to be very very regularly reduced for no reason.

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I remember that as well, maybe not the interview though. I was given a tour of the bridge while it was being built and it might have come up in the Q&A at the end.

I have it in my mind it wasn't the EU funding that wouldn't allow 3 lanes but UK government policy. Maybe some background environmental green policy.

The hard shoulder upgrade was a way round this, as you say could become a 3rd lane in the future but in the meantime meant that accidents or breakdowns were much less likely to cause the chaos they did on the old bridge.

It was narrowed due to the original plan of 50m wide bridge being unaffordable at the time of the crash.
It's noted in the big boys book on the Queensferry crossing , I'm not a bridge nerd honest. I work for one the lead contractors that made up FCBC, although wasn't involved in it, and there were boxes of these in the office for years after it had all wound down.

We had a boat chartered where they took clients a tour from the water and we could go if there were spaces left and there were engineers etc to explain the process, there was also a free bar so my memory is hazy. IMG20220527124922.jpgIMG20220527124727.jpgIMG20220527124739.jpgIMG20220527124841.jpg

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That's a lie. Maybe it should be on another thread 😉


https://www.transport.gov.scot/proje...oject-details/


As has been mentioned previously somewhere there are lots of issues with the ground around the area, mine workings, a geological fault line for starters.

A lie ? Improvements have been planned since 2008.

https://www.transport.gov.scot/proje...oject-details/

Paper plans don’t ease congestion, and even if they get to a construction stage will their government partners, the Greens , let it be built ?

[Moulin Yarns]

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A lie ? Improvements have been planned since 2008.

https://www.transport.gov.scot/proje...oject-details/

Paper plans don’t ease congestion, and even if they get to a construction stage will their government partners, the Greens , let it be built ?

You clearly know nothing about transport planning if you think that you don't need to look at all options. I've been involved with the A9 dualling and the preparation work before you even decided on the best solution takes years.

What were the improvements planned in 2008? Your link doesn't mention it. 🤔

If you mean 'identified' then yes, but I've already mentioned the geological problems needing to be overcome.

[Stairway 2 7]

Canada got a 10 lane bridge within 5 years, no messing.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/geor...ge-opening-day

Love some of the Scandinavian bridges that turn into tunnels. A few double decker bridges built recently with light railway and cycling on the lower bridge.

[Ozyhibby]

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Canada got a 10 lane bridge within 5 years, no messing.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/geor...ge-opening-day

Love some of the Scandinavian bridges that turn into tunnels. A few double decker bridges built recently with light railway and cycling on the lower bridge.

We do impressive infrastructure as well. Cross rail is a fantastic engineering feat. We only do these things in London though.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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We do impressive infrastructure as well. Cross rail is a fantastic engineering feat. We only do these things in London though.


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I'm sure we did all we could with the budget that was given. It came in on budget and looks great I think, but not future proof, especially when the other bridge get decommissioned

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I'm sure we did all we could with the budget that was given. It came in on budget and looks great I think, but not future proof, especially when the other bridge get decommissioned

Is the FRB being decommissioned?

It's just been tarted up for public transport and emergency vehicles as well as being a back up for the Queensferry Crossing.

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Is the FRB being decommissioned?

It's just been tarted up for public transport and emergency vehicles as well as being a back up for the Queensferry Crossing.

I'm unsure but thought it only had 20 years or something, might be prolonged with Queensferry coming in

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You clearly know nothing about transport planning if you think that you don't need to look at all options. I've been involved with the A9 dualling and the preparation work before you even decided on the best solution takes years.

What were the improvements planned in 2008? Your link doesn't mention it. 🤔

If you mean 'identified' then yes, but I've already mentioned the geological problems needing to be overcome.

14 years since the upgrade problem was identified as being required. Read second para of link.

Geological problems can be overcome, they’ve built freeways and flyovers over the San Andreas fault in the US.

[lapsedhibee]

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Is the FRB being decommissioned?

It's just been tarted up for public transport and emergency vehicles as well as being a back up for the Queensferry Crossing.

Also needed for pedestrians and cyclists (plenty of both) crossing the Forth.

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A lie ? Improvements have been planned since 2008.

https://www.transport.gov.scot/proje...oject-details/

Paper plans don’t ease congestion, and even if they get to a construction stage will their government partners, the Greens , let it be built ?

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You clearly know nothing about transport planning if you think that you don't need to look at all options. I've been involved with the A9 dualling and the preparation work before you even decided on the best solution takes years.

What were the improvements planned in 2008? Your link doesn't mention it. 🤔

If you mean 'identified' then yes, but I've already mentioned the geological problems needing to be overcome.

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14 years since the upgrade problem was identified as being required. Read second para of link.

Geological problems can be overcome, they’ve built freeways and flyovers over the San Andreas fault in the US.

There you go, Planning takes time, take it from someone with experience of the A9. Identify the problem, do studies of the possible solutions and routes, decide on the solution, go to the magic money tree and build it!! Glad we know how things work, just not in the timescales you think are possible!

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Here’s another time scale problem.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nicola-stu...SQ8v9HdeFk9egU

Sturgeon invited last November to appear before a Scottish affairs committee at Wesrminister by her fellow Nat committee chairman Peter Wishart.

Took until April for her to reply she was too busy

[Santa Cruz]

Not a lie as such...ScotGov coming under pressure from the STUC and Opposition to role out free school meals to all Secondary school pupils. This should have been happening from the off imo.

[WhileTheChief..]

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A lie ? Improvements have been planned since 2008.

https://www.transport.gov.scot/proje...oject-details/

Paper plans don’t ease congestion, and even if they get to a construction stage will their government partners, the Greens , let it be built ?

That's the sort of language that poster uses.

Sometimes people maybe post something not 100% accurate, or they maybe make a mistake. Heaven forbid.

Rest assured he'll be here to call you a liar though. Impossible to have a civil conversation with him if he disagrees with you.

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Not a lie as such...ScotGov coming under pressure from the STUC and Opposition to role out free school meals to all Secondary school pupils. This should have been happening from the off imo.

Quite hard to keep up with that one, it doesn't seem so long ago that the opposition were against free school meals

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Quite hard to keep up with that one, it doesn't seem so long ago that the opposition were against free school meals

Policy started in 2015 for children in p1-3.

This is an extension to the previous policy of offering free school meals to children and young people aged from five to 18 whose families are on low incomes and/or receiving in receipt of qualifying certain benefits.

Not sure Labour got onboard until 2019. Might be wrong on that one though.

If they're wanting it extended again, they'll have to tell us where the money is coming from.