SNP are lying b******s as well !

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I know, the cake reference was about the general media and social media coverage, which has been predictably abysmal. Even now BBC is squeamish about suggesting that Johnson might have lied in Parliament. All the crap about 'inadvertently misleading the House' has been simply pathetic. Not sure that people on here were frothing about the cake.

There was a number that said the act does matter he broke the law ect. I said it gives them a smokescreen to say it was only a cake. He shouldn't go for that as we've all slipped up, he should go for lying to parliament. Obviously if he gets one for Abba party, he should go singularly for that anyway

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It's very obvious what's happened at Barbergate. Sturgeon needs Johnson to stay as PM for her to have any chance of winning Indyref2, Johnson's under pressure to go for rulebreaking, she's deliberately tried to normalise rulebreaking to help relieve the pressure on him, calculating that she won't suffer long-term consequences herself because of the non-repetitive nature of her misdeed.

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It's very obvious what's happened at Barbergate. Sturgeon needs Johnson to stay as PM for her to have any chance of winning Indyref2, Johnson's under pressure to go for rulebreaking, she's deliberately tried to normalise rulebreaking to help relieve the pressure on him, calculating that she won't suffer long-term consequences herself because of the non-repetitive nature of her misdeed.

You bants. But I'd go as far as saying I'd doubt yes would win a referendum if Labour win the next election. Boris is surely Labour’s best chance of winning. A new leader and they will say forget about the past this is a new regime

[Ozyhibby]

This thing in the barber shop has been great for NS. It’s making her opponents look ridiculous. Even the BBC news were mocking the complainants this morning. With elections on the way, that can only help the SNP.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...on-now-resign-


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[Just Alf]

With regards to parties, masks etc then all politicians should be treated the same as Joe public whith regards to fines etc, otherwise its a case of one rule for them and another for us.

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This thing in the barber shop has been great for NS. It’s making her opponents look ridiculous. Even the BBC news were mocking the complainants this morning. With elections on the way, that can only help the SNP.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...on-now-resign-


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"Steerpike". Jesus wept.

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"Steerpike". Jesus wept.

Gossip columnist best ignored.

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Don't believe she just forgot. Would have been a briefing before she went in with her staff and umpteen camera men. She was going between people without a masks taking selfies.

If they make the rules, why didn't she say to all the staff to wear a mask. Why did they stay in a small room with 10 people without a mask. Surely ask them to mask or call the police if its against the law. More likely when the cameras were ready to roll mask went on

Yeah - she didn’t forget anything. She initially had a mask on, the photo’s show that. So she had it on and removed it, and was in a room full of people also not wearing them.

Just more lies like when she didn’t recall anything about Salmond and when she found out about the allegations. But don’t worry, her lies and hypocrisy don’t matter because Boris had a garden party.

[Berwickhibby]

As Sturgeon set this legislation then extended it, regardless how minor people see the infraction, she should be issued a fixed penalty notice, pay it and move on. Others have had to pay so why should she be treated any differently.

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Yeah - she didn’t forget anything. She initially had a mask on, the photoshop show that. So she had it on and removed it, and was in a room full of people also not wearing them.

Just more lies like when she didn’t recall anything about Salmond and when she found out about the allegations. But don’t worry, her lies and hypocrisy don’t matter because Boris had a garden party.

Is there a time line? Everyone else has said she went in without a mask first then put it on, which makes more sense.

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As Sturgeon set this legislation then extended it, regardless how minor people see the infraction, she should be issued a fixed penalty notice, pay it and move on. Others have had to pay so why should she be treated any differently.

Have others been given fixed penalties for not wearing masks?


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Have others been given fixed penalties for not wearing masks?


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On London transport 1552 people were fined in December for not wearing a mask

https://inews.co.uk/news/face-masks-rules-london-public-transport-tfl-rules-fines-not-wearing-coverings-1386912

Someone asked Scotland Police but they said they didn't have the data. There surely were quite a few if Scotland has similar population to London


FREEDOM OF INFORMATION (SCOTLAND) ACT 2002
I refer to your recent request for information which has been handled in accordance with
the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002.
For ease of reference, your request is replicated below together with the response.
How many fines for not wearing a face covering in a public space in Scotland (incl.
public transport) have been issued between:
1. 1
st Jan 2021 and 19th July 2021
2. 19th July and the most up to date figures available
3. Can you please clarify how many of these fines (in either section of dates) was
for a repeat offence, so was therefore more than £30.
In response to your questions, I regret to inform you that I am unable to provide you with the
information you have requested, as it would prove too costly to do so within the context of
the fee regulations.
As you may be aware the current cost threshold is £600 and I estimate that it would cost
well in excess of this amount to process your request.
As such, and in terms of Section 16(4) of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002
where Section 12(1) of the Act (Excessive Cost of Compliance) has been applied, this
represents a refusal notice for the information sought.
By way of explanation the most recent data provides that between 01 January 2021 and 17
June 2021, 14,442 Fixed Penalty Notices (FPN) were issued for Covid-19 related offences.
The Covid-19 related offences that may relate to mask wearing are recorded as:
ASB12 16(1) Failure to comply - Coronvirus Regulations
ASB13 16(2) Obstruct person - Coronvirus Regulations
ASB14 16(3) Contravene Direction - Coronavirus Regulations
There is no specific offence for non-mask wearing. Therefore, in order to determine the
information you require each penalty notice would need to be manually examined to
determine if the FPN was issued due to non-mask wearing or a repeat fine due to non-mask
wearing.
A conservative estimate would be that it would take approximately 3 minutes per record
and that this would equate to 722 hours of work.

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Actually must be more lenient up here as the record says just 1

[Stairway 2 7]

Nicola Sturgeon said this last summer

She said: “The regulations that will be published are likely to follow very closely the situation on public transport so in terms of enforcement that would involve for people not complying, potentially the imposition of a fixed penalty notice.

“It is not something I think is fair or reasonable to expect workers in shops to enforce so police would be able in certain circumstances to impose fixed penalty notices but the police will enforce these things very proportionately and sensitively.

I recognise very readily that this is not the easiest thing for the police to enforce either which is why all of us can help by doing this voluntarily even though it is going to be backed up by law.

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Actually must be more lenient up here as the record says just 1

So a stern wag of the finger should suffice then?


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On London transport 1552 people were fined in December for not wearing a mask

https://inews.co.uk/news/face-masks-...erings-1386912

Someone asked Scotland Police but they said they didn't have the data. There surely were quite a few if Scotland has similar population to London


FREEDOM OF INFORMATION (SCOTLAND) ACT 2002
I refer to your recent request for information which has been handled in accordance with
the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002.
For ease of reference, your request is replicated below together with the response.
How many fines for not wearing a face covering in a public space in Scotland (incl.
public transport) have been issued between:
1. 1
st Jan 2021 and 19th July 2021
2. 19th July and the most up to date figures available
3. Can you please clarify how many of these fines (in either section of dates) was
for a repeat offence, so was therefore more than £30.
In response to your questions, I regret to inform you that I am unable to provide you with the
information you have requested, as it would prove too costly to do so within the context of
the fee regulations.
As you may be aware the current cost threshold is £600 and I estimate that it would cost
well in excess of this amount to process your request.
As such, and in terms of Section 16(4) of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002
where Section 12(1) of the Act (Excessive Cost of Compliance) has been applied, this
represents a refusal notice for the information sought.
By way of explanation the most recent data provides that between 01 January 2021 and 17
June 2021, 14,442 Fixed Penalty Notices (FPN) were issued for Covid-19 related offences.
The Covid-19 related offences that may relate to mask wearing are recorded as:
ASB12 16(1) Failure to comply - Coronvirus Regulations
ASB13 16(2) Obstruct person - Coronvirus Regulations
ASB14 16(3) Contravene Direction - Coronavirus Regulations
There is no specific offence for non-mask wearing. Therefore, in order to determine the
information you require each penalty notice would need to be manually examined to
determine if the FPN was issued due to non-mask wearing or a repeat fine due to non-mask
wearing.
A conservative estimate would be that it would take approximately 3 minutes per record
and that this would equate to 722 hours of work.

As the report you mention, those figures are specifically for Transport in London. I'm not saying it hasn't happened but personally, I haven't heard of one person being fined here for not wearing a mask otherwise, not even on transport systems. I have seen local reports of students arranging parties being fined £10,000 though. Perhaps putting Johnson's swingeing £50 fine into perspective some might say.

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So a stern wag of the finger should suffice then?


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It's whether the leaders should have a higher standard. I'd bet no one got done for having a cake in their office, but I'm glad he got a fine. Abba parties ect are different if it's true he was at them, as that is taking the p.

If its just the cake fine, that and Sturgeons mask will all blow over in a few weeks

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Actually must be more lenient up here as the record says just 1

This report seems to suggest a lot more than 1 https://www.law.ed.ac.uk/sites/defau...Report%203.pdf

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Has Douglas Ross demanded her resignation yet?

[Jack]

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Nicola Sturgeon said this last summer

She said: “The regulations that will be published are likely to follow very closely the situation on public transport so in terms of enforcement that would involve for people not complying, potentially the imposition of a fixed penalty notice.

“It is not something I think is fair or reasonable to expect workers in shops to enforce so police would be able in certain circumstances to impose fixed penalty notices but the police will enforce these things very proportionately and sensitively.

I recognise very readily that this is not the easiest thing for the police to enforce either which is why all of us can help by doing this voluntarily even though it is going to be backed up by law.

So even if there was a police presence the likely scenario would be ...

Ms Sturgeon you are not wearing your mask.

Oops sorry, NS puts on mask.

No further action necessary.

[ronaldo7]

The twittersphere is awash with politicians without masks on indoors. Some in classrooms. Leave this up to the police to decide, just like the others. If she's fined then so be it.

[ronaldo7]

And there we have it. The police have spoken to her and no further action to be taken.

[ronaldo7]

It seems someone has reported Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar for similar breaches in the last few days.

Welcome to the hornets nest.

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It seems someone has reported Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar for similar breaches in the last few days.

Welcome to the hornets nest.

If they were not wearing masks….issue them with a fixed penalty notice

[stu in nottingham]

My particular favourite was when he was 'asked three times' to wear a mask in a hospital.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...times-22173717


Close runner-up is him going maskless when sitting with the 95 year-old David Attenborough at Cop2.

https://news.sky.com/story/cop26-bor...rough-12458494


Then there's the train.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1962180.html


We mustn't forget the theatre.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ask-at-theatre


Or meeting one of his troops. Had to self-isolate after this one.

https://www.chad.co.uk/health/corona...t-mask-3036951

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[weecounty hibby]

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If they were not wearing masks….issue them with a fixed penalty notice

But it's utter ****ing nonsense and a waste of polis time. For persistent offenders or those who cause a scene when asked to put a mask on then fair enough. But this was 100% mischief making and so is the reports of Sarwar and Ross.

[Northernhibee]

Absolutely ****ing pathetic.

If people can’t see the difference between what on the face of things would be forgetting to put a face mask on whilst campaigning and having several office parties in the height of lockdown, lying to parliament about it and still trying to come up with **** excuses then there’s no hope for them.

I say that as someone who’s not a big fan of the SNP.

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If they were not wearing masks….issue them with a fixed penalty notice

Thank goodness you're no longer on the beat. Whatever happened to a word in the ear. 😂

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Absolutely ****ing pathetic.

If people can’t see the difference between what on the face of things would be forgetting to put a face mask on whilst campaigning and having several office parties in the height of lockdown, lying to parliament about it and still trying to come up with **** excuses then there’s no hope for them.

I say that as someone who’s not a big fan of the SNP.

It’s great for the SNP that their opponents are making themselves look like petty idiots.


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Thank goodness you're no longer on the beat. Whatever happened to a word in the ear. 😂

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