Newell on fans jeers vs Cove

[StarMan10]

My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.

Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.

I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.

[Jones28]

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My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.

Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.

I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.

There was a clear difference from half time onwards in that Cove were never in the game, it was all Hibs. Newall in particular took the game by the balls and got us up the park more often than not; thats what he does best IMO, taking the ball in tight areas and pressing forward.

What we really lacked IMO was Porteous pushing out from the back and squeezing them, like he did several times against Dundee United.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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He may have a point but at least these fans were there.

It was Cove, and we were pretty gash for most of the game, as we have been for most of the season.

It was a tiny bit of booing ffs.

Some fans were there but they weren't supporting the team. I think if I was a player I'd prefer even less folk watching but them being supportive.

[Hillsidehibby]

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My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.

Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.

I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.

There hasn't been one since SJM left

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t even think the booing was that bad. Certainly nothing that really merits being talked about in the press. All my life, if Hibs are drawing at home to a part time League 1 team over the course of 90 minutes, the players would be getting stick. It’s nothing new and whether we’re in transition or not won’t change that.

[Since90+2]

I think part of the issue is that Cove are a far better side than their name represents. Cove are a far better side than Falkirk for instance, but if we'd played Falkirk I think the reaction would have been less harsh.

[bingo70]

I said at half time at the Celtic game the midfield going back the way all the time was doing my head in so I feel like I’m partly responsible for creating this monster.

Absolutely nothing wrong with going back the way if you’re doing it at the right times. If there’s nothing on ahead of you, go back and move it quickly across the pitch until you find space ahead. I think we did that quite well against Cove at times. I don’t think we did it well against Celtic and there were plenty times when Newell could have been a bit braver in going forward instead of giving the easy ball back the way.

I thought our fans were complete ********s on Thursday too so I’m pleased Newell has mentioned it. People around me were completely unbearable, always people who seem to talk the most ***** talk it the loudest.

[loanheadhibby]

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Some fans were there but they weren't supporting the team. I think if I was a player I'd prefer even less folk watching but them being supportive.

I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.

Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.

[superfurryhibby]

Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.

It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I said at half time at the Celtic game the midfield going back the way all the time was doing my head in so I feel like I’m partly responsible for creating this monster.

Absolutely nothing wrong with going back the way if you’re doing it at the right times. If there’s nothing on ahead of you, go back and move it quickly across the pitch until you find space ahead. I think we did that quite well against Cove at times. I don’t think we did it well against Celtic and there were plenty times when Newell could have been a bit braver in going forward instead of giving the easy ball back the way.

I thought our fans were complete ********s on Thursday too so I’m pleased Newell has mentioned it. People around me were completely unbearable, always people who seem to talk the most ***** talk it the loudest.

That last sentence is so true.

[flash]

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I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.

Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.

Your lack of awareness of what he brings to the team negates the rest of your post in my eyes.

[blackpoolhibs]

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That's fair, but blaming Newell for being negative on Thursday is not.

I'd say he was as negative as he normally is on thursday in the first half, but in the 2nd half he was very good at driving on, taking the ball and instead of his usual first though of looking backwards, he took the ball in on the half turn and looked the other way, sometimes i wonder if he realises we are trying to go forward and try and create chances.

The 2nd half and extra time showd me how well he can play, how well he can pick a forward pass, and just how comfortable he is doing it.

If i saw him play that way more often, i'd not have a problem with him in the team at all.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.

Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.

I said “some fans”. Some folk think supporting the team is giving them verbal abuse. It’s a strange way to go about it.

[Unseen work]

We have alot more of the ball now and a much more patient approach because of this than under Ross.

Ross was very much knock it about then try hit Boyle or a striker to flick it on to him. It wouldn’t work all the time so then the opposition had easier possession against us and we always seemed to back off into two banks and be compact.

Under Maloney we make it much more difficult for the team to get the ball, the longer they’re running about pressing us the more tired they get as we try and move them about. Of course because we have more of the ball than previously there will be more backward passes.

But I’d rather we have the ball and recycle it well then the opposition having it and pinning us back.

Now under Maloney when the opposition win it we try get it back as quick as possible and have a high line to stop attacks.

The first two wins against Aberdeen and Dundee United were huge, I’m sure Aberdeen hadn’t lost in a while prior to that and both teams were above us. Celtic is a different kettle of fish but once we settled we looked ok albeit without creating much which Maloney said himself we need to improve on.

Cove was then the exact opposite standard wise than Celtic and although frustrating at times if the linesman was any good at his job we would have been 2-0 up within half an hour.

Everyone gets frustrated at times but let’s stick with it, I think we’ll be better for it.

I’ll also add Maloney has had a pretty hard task picking teams with the injuries and suspensions we’ve had.

[J-C]

Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

[BILLYHIBS]

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I'd say he was as negative as he normally is on thursday in the first half, but in the 2nd half he was very good at driving on, taking the ball and instead of his usual first though of looking backwards, he took the ball in on the half turn and looked the other way, sometimes i wonder if he realises we are trying to go forward and try and create chances.

The 2nd half and extra time showd me how well he can play, how well he can pick a forward pass, and just how comfortable he is doing it.

If i saw him play that way more often, i'd not have a problem with him in the team at all.

Looking back I agree with this

[18Craig75]

Agree with a lot of what he’s saying. We as fans need to step up. A lot of the excuses for not going aren’t there anymore…

Jack Ross - Gone
Expensive tickets - Cove was £10
Uninspiring football - We’re clearly on a journey to implement an attractive style
Covid - fair enough there’s a lot of people that will be rightly anxious about this. But for the majority life is near enough back to normal.

Let’s get back in the habit of backing the boys and creating a better atmosphere! It’s a chicken and egg scenario, create a better atmosphere, they will play better with more intent.

There’s definitely more negativity about at the moment. I had to turn off a podcast last night because Macey was getting absolutely slated. I genuinely don’t see what he’s done wrong. As Colin on Longbangers always says, if he goalies were good with their feet they wouldn’t be goalies.

We all criticise and have a moan from time to time but ffs let’s do it with A bit class and decorum.

[Golden Bear]

I also agree with his comments. In the same vein, I have never seen the point of some of the threads on here that start with an individual player's name who may have a poor game in one of the team's fixtures.
Both the team and the players are far more likely to respond to encouragement than criticism.
Yes, sometimes criticism is valid (we're all guilty) but there are times its best to say nothing at all.

[WeeRussell]

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This nonsense about Newell not passing the ball forward was started by someone who doesn't have a clue about football and continued on by those with a similar knowledge of the game.

Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?

[Hibi]

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Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

Yep, in my opinion that’s what it’s all about. I’m there to support each of the boys who are wearing my jersey, naturally away from the game I’ll dissect and moan about performances.

[Vault Boy]

Butcher's team didn't pass the ball backwards very often. Must have been great.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?

It shouldn't but it feels like some folk think you should never pass sideways or backwards. Not a high level of knowledge required but some would help.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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There’s definitely more negativity about at the moment. I had to turn off a podcast last night because Macey was getting absolutely slated. I genuinely don’t see what he’s done wrong. As Colin on Longbangers always says, if he goalies were good with their feet they wouldn’t be goalies.

We all criticise and have a moan from time to time but ffs let’s do it with A bit class and decorum.

Agree with this. Can only imagine what the reaction will be like when Macey makes a mistake. It's like some are actively campaigning against the guy (on here and twitter as well).

And goalies wouldn't be in goals if they were good at football.

[AltheHibby]

Not Hibs related, but at a non-league match in Hampshire an opposition player made a nasty remark to one of our elderly supporters. Three of us proceeded to spend the rest of the first half having a go at him. His performance dropped dramatically and he cost his team 3 goals.

My point being that in smaller crowds such as the Cove game players can hear supporters. So if we must boo a player at least make it an opposition one and do what the name suggests and be a supporter to our own team.

In any case, there's plenty opportunity to moan on here without dispiriting Hibs players.

[WhileTheChief..]

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A roundabout way of saying "A've paid ma money Ah can do what Ah want." which is up there with the worst tropes of football "supporters".

Not at all.

I wasn't there and have never come out with the line you mention.

Why do you always look to have a dig at folk you don't agree with?

[Jones28]

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Not at all.

I wasn't there and have never come out with the line you mention.

Why do you always look to have a dig at folk you don't agree with?

I don't always have a dig at people; where you're getting that from I have no idea?

You said "at least they were there", to me that reads that they turned up, so can shout and boo if they want.

[Victor]

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Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

Likewise. I think some people forget there is another team on the pitch and that no matter how lowly they are, they are going to do their best to stop us scoring. This includes preventing us passing and finding space. Paul Hartley is an experienced Coach who would have worked out how to frustrate us and stop us progressing.


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[Greenbeard]

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We have alot more of the ball now and a much more patient approach because of this than under Ross.

Ross was very much knock it about then try hit Boyle or a striker to flick it on to him. It wouldn’t work all the time so then the opposition had easier possession against us and we always seemed to back off into two banks and be compact.

Under Maloney we make it much more difficult for the team to get the ball, the longer they’re running about pressing us the more tired they get as we try and move them about. Of course because we have more of the ball than previously there will be more backward passes.

But I’d rather we have the ball and recycle it well then the opposition having it and pinning us back.

Now under Maloney when the opposition win it we try get it back as quick as possible and have a high line to stop attacks.

The first two wins against Aberdeen and Dundee United were huge, I’m sure Aberdeen hadn’t lost in a while prior to that and both teams were above us. Celtic is a different kettle of fish but once we settled we looked ok albeit without creating much which Maloney said himself we need to improve on.

Cove was then the exact opposite standard wise than Celtic and although frustrating at times if the linesman was any good at his job we would have been 2-0 up within half an hour.

Everyone gets frustrated at times but let’s stick with it, I think we’ll be better for it.

I’ll also add Maloney has had a pretty hard task picking teams with the injuries and suspensions we’ve had.

Not if it means no risk football, 80% ineffective possession and a 0-0 draw. Sometimes you have to take risks even though it won't always come off and you lose possession. I want to see my team taking risks and playing exciting football. Risks are exciting, even when they don't come off 100%.

I'm not with the booing but I do think there is a degree of justification for the propensity of some players (not just Newell) too often to immediately pass it backwards or sideways and not make any effort to get in a better position for a return pass. JDH is more guilty of this than Newell. Too often he'll hit an easy backward/sideways pass and just stay put or trot in a marked position. What that usually means is the play making shifts to one of the defenders.

[loanheadhibby]

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Your lack of awareness of what he brings to the team negates the rest of your post in my eyes.

I respect your opinion. However if he is to be the pivot in the side, he’ll need to sharpen up his touches on the ball. The transition from defence to attack will be determined by whoever plays in centre midfield.

If we are playing thru the lines, Joe will need to transition quicker from defence to attack or SM will replace him with someone who can.

[MWHIBBIES]

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No I had the miss fortune of watching the full 120 minutes. Against DU and Aberdeen we were quickly moving the ball forward in nice triangles. Against Celtic and Cove back to the sideways stuff. Only difference from Ross is we are trying to play the ball out from the back. Try is the word as we were often putting ourselves in trouble. Who did not play against DU and Aberdeen but played against Celtic and Cove? There is part of the problem.

You simply did not watch the match if you think Newell was the problem. You mightve been there, but you didn't watch it. Ran the show, especially 2nd half. Dozens of forward passes.