Coronavirus

[Ozyhibby]

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The Scottish government are currently sabotaging the Scottish economy based on data that so far is dubious. South Africa didn’t see massive hospitalisations, neither has Denmark and London seem to be coping fine. We were told cases would double every 2 days, that doesn’t appear to be happening.

The SG won’t need data from abroad to know that our hospitals are running out of staff.
I’m not arguing with the data, just that the NHS can barely cope just now and if it is as transmissible as feared the the NHS won’t cope. Even if it didn’t result in more hospital admissions from covid, the staff shortages from isolating would be enough to stop other treatments going ahead.


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[lord bunberry]

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The SG won’t need data from abroad to know that our hospitals are running out of staff.
I’m not arguing with the data, just that the NHS can barely cope just now and if it is as transmissible as feared the the NHS won’t cope. Even if it didn’t result in more hospital admissions from covid, the staff shortages from isolating would be enough to stop other treatments going ahead.


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What a ****ed up situation. This could literally go on for years unless more staff are recruited, can they not bring nurses in from abroad?

[Mr Grieves]

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Mark Drakeford now stating there's no evidence that Omicron is any less severe than previous variants.

He's a liar.

The actual quote from Drakeford, different to what you've said -

"I think the headlines of the Health Protection Agency report that I have seen suggests that if you have already been infected by coronavirus, it may be not as severe as the first time you are infected. But if you're getting it for the first time, there is no evidence that it is any less severe than any of the earlier."

[goosano]

Have just been speaking to a Spanish friend. They have gone from very low levels of Covid up to 50,000 cases per day(2/3 our population. Rather surprisingly close contacts of +ve cases do not have to self isolate if they are double vaccinated unless you live in Catalonia.

[Ozyhibby]

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What a ****ed up situation. This could literally go on for years unless more staff are recruited, can they not bring nurses in from abroad?

I think close contact isolation will need to stop once the whole population is vaccinated and we have the capacity to run an annual vaccination programme.
Hard to bring in staff from abroad just now. Visa situation makes it very expensive and most health care workers have plenty of work in their home countries just now anyway.
We need to train more of our own young people now.


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[Mr Grieves]

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The Scottish government are currently sabotaging the Scottish economy based on data that so far is dubious. South Africa didn’t see massive hospitalisations, neither has Denmark and London seem to be coping fine. We were told cases would double every 2 days, that doesn’t appear to be happening.

Just to point out that Denmark currently have tougher restrictions than Scotland despite that much referenced evidence from Denmark that Omicron is nothing to worry about.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The actual quote from Drakeford, different to what you've said -

"I think the headlines of the Health Protection Agency report that I have seen suggests that if you have already been infected by coronavirus, it may be not as severe as the first time you are infected. But if you're getting it for the first time, there is no evidence that it is any less severe than any of the earlier."

But that's wrong, all the evidence suggests the opposite, whether he believes it it is there

[Callum_62]

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Just to point out that Denmark currently have tougher restrictions than Scotland despite that much referenced evidence from Denmark that Omicron is nothing to worry about.

Nippyson must be there FM.

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[Sir David Gray]

Daily Scottish update;

* 2,434 new cases since yesterday - 13.0% positivity rate
Increase of 21 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 536
Increase of 3 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 40
4,375,588 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 1,671 people since yesterday
4,000,171 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 2,979 people since yesterday
2,708,761 people have now received a booster vaccination - 78,146 people since yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

* Public Health Scotland (PHS) are aware that today’s reported positive case numbers are lower than expected. PHS are investigating this, and will provide updates in future reports.

[JeMeSouviens]

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The Scottish government are currently sabotaging the Scottish economy based on data that so far is dubious. South Africa didn’t see massive hospitalisations, neither has Denmark and London seem to be coping fine. We were told cases would double every 2 days, that doesn’t appear to be happening.

When cases do this and you don't really know exactly how that will translate into hospitalisations, then restrictions are justified I think? Obviously there are arguments about what they should be and which ones would have the most benefit and, to my mind, the SG have put far too much emphasis (again) on "saving xmas" over everything else, but that's another story.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Daily Scottish update;

* 2,434 new cases since yesterday - 13.0% positivity rate
Increase of 21 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 536
Increase of 3 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 40
4,375,588 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 1,671 people since yesterday
4,000,171 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 2,979 people since yesterday
2,708,761 people have now received a booster vaccination - 78,146 people since yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

* Public Health Scotland (PHS) are aware that today’s reported positive case numbers are lower than expected. PHS are investigating this, and will provide updates in future reports.

78K! So much for vax hesitancy.

[Ozyhibby]

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Daily Scottish update;

* 2,434 new cases since yesterday - 13.0% positivity rate
Increase of 21 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 536
Increase of 3 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 40
4,375,588 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 1,671 people since yesterday
4,000,171 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 2,979 people since yesterday
2,708,761 people have now received a booster vaccination - 78,146 people since yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

* Public Health Scotland (PHS) are aware that today’s reported positive case numbers are lower than expected. PHS are investigating this, and will provide updates in future reports.

Was about to say great case numbers but then read the bit at the bottom.
Good booster numbers though.


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[Since90+2]

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Daily Scottish update;

* 2,434 new cases since yesterday - 13.0% positivity rate
Increase of 21 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 536
Increase of 3 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 40
4,375,588 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 1,671 people since yesterday
4,000,171 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 2,979 people since yesterday
2,708,761 people have now received a booster vaccination - 78,146 people since yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

* Public Health Scotland (PHS) are aware that today’s reported positive case numbers are lower than expected. PHS are investigating this, and will provide updates in future reports.

How often do we have issues with Public Health Scotland and numbers? It's seems like it's every other day this happens and it's been going on for months. What a shambles.

[Ozyhibby]

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When cases do this and you don't really know exactly how that will translate into hospitalisations, then restrictions are justified I think? Obviously there are arguments about what they should be and which ones would have the most benefit and, to my mind, the SG have put far too much emphasis (again) on "saving xmas" over everything else, but that's another story.

Especially when it hasn’t been done. Xmas hasn’t been saved at all. It’s pretty crap again this year.


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[Chorley Hibee]

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Just to point out that Denmark currently have tougher restrictions than Scotland despite that much referenced evidence from Denmark that Omicron is nothing to worry about.

At least they are consistent with their messaging and aren't distracted by "saving Christmas".

[Chorley Hibee]

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The actual quote from Drakeford, different to what you've said -

"I think the headlines of the Health Protection Agency report that I have seen suggests that if you have already been infected by coronavirus, it may be not as severe as the first time you are infected. But if you're getting it for the first time, there is no evidence that it is any less severe than any of the earlier."

It certainly doesn't correlate with anything I've seen provided by countless reputable sources.

[JeMeSouviens]

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How often do we have issues with Public Health Scotland and numbers? It's seems like it's every other day this happens and it's been going on for months. What a shambles.

Practically every day atm. Capacity to provide tests seems good but they're clearly toiling to get them processed.

[goosano]

82,796 vaccines in a day, another record. Phenomenal!!

[18Craig75]

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Five days is a long time in politics...

A quick thread on pertinent/justified media questions and coverage.

1/4

Dec 17 - Nicola Sturgeon asked about cutting self-isolation time. Reply: “Yeah, that would really help because that would spread infection even further.”

Dec 22 - John Swinney says self-isolation changes being considered.

2/4 https://t.co/Pi7QYwG020

Dec 17 - Nicola Sturgeon ridicules idea of finding more business support cash from her Budget in answer to Press Q. “I don't know where you think I should take it from? The health service?"

Dec 21 - Ms Sturgeon announces “a further £100 million from elsewhere in our budget”

3/4 https://t.co/qwjBk1prV9

Dec 18 - Nicola Sturgeon rubbishes Herald on Sunday front page about recall of parliament between Christmas New Year. Prompts 5.3k likes, accusations of "media lies", "bull****", etc

Dec 21 - It’s confirmed Parliament is to be recalled between Christmas and New Year

4/4 https://t.co/XuwGpsiAnD

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/stat...q3vgj3OlA&s=19

That would be a really nice little story if it wasn’t all based on a total misrepresentation (lie) of what the FM was asked by the Daily Mail journalist initially. She was asked if the requirement to self isolate could be cut, not the time period.

Why let facts get in the way though.

[ehf]

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Fans planning to attend football games on Wednesday are being urged to stay at home, as new Covid rules limiting the size of crowds don’t come into effect until Boxing Day.

Deputy first minister John Swinney said the cancellation of games is a matter for the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL).

Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland programme on Wednesday morning, Swinney said: “Our guidance to people is basically to restrict their social interaction – to stay at home more than they would do so.

“I would encourage people to do exactly that.

“There are clearly dangers of people travelling to football matches, because they’re going to be going on to multiple forms of transport, they will be car-sharing, they may well be using supporters’ buses and all the rest of it.

“These are opportunities for the virus to spread and we know that the Omicron variant spreads much more aggressively than is the case (with other variants).

“If people want to protect their community then I would encourage them to follow the guidance that we have set, which is to stay at home and restrict their social interaction.”

https://news.stv.tv/sport/football-f...-rules-imposed

Just been outside and it's freezing - was beginning to swither about going tonight but that cock-end has strengthened my resolve!

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Peter Donaghy
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Another day of Danish COVID-19 data; 13,386 cases, slightly down from yesterday's record 13,558. The number of hospital patients is down (by one) to 553. Hospital patients as a % of 30 day cases is down to a new record low of 0.276% - completely unprecedented

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterdona...48864670502913

[Ozyhibby]

Just tested positive on a lateral flow so that’s my Xmas goosed. No footy tonight either. Family all blaming my trip to Hampden.


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[Pretty Boy]

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Just tested positive on a lateral flow so that’s my Xmas goosed. No footy tonight either. Family all blaming my trip to Hampden.


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That's utter rubbish for you.

Do you feel OK? Hopefully you get through the worst of it quickly and can still enjoy a decent Christmas in the house.

[McD]

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Just tested positive on a lateral flow so that’s my Xmas goosed. No footy tonight either. Family all blaming my trip to Hampden.


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keep well mate, hopefully it’ll not spoil too much

[He's here!]

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The Royal was over capacity last week despite having empty beds/wards .... entirely driven by available staff numbers

Another good reason to seriously consider reducing isolation times if you test negative twice. Hoping to hear the Scottish government confirm this asap.

[Smartie]

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When cases do this and you don't really know exactly how that will translate into hospitalisations, then restrictions are justified I think? Obviously there are arguments about what they should be and which ones would have the most benefit and, to my mind, the SG have put far too much emphasis (again) on "saving xmas" over everything else, but that's another story.

I reckon all this fuss is about us all disagreeing with what to do when you "don't really know".

The problem is - there's no instruction manual for this and it is easier to point the finger than it is to make the decision, so even as much as I disagree with some of what is going on I still retain sympathy for those charged with making decisions.

I agree 100% with your comment about "saving Christmas" though - and it is a huge bugbear of mine. This priority is forcing the government into actions which are difficult to justify, difficult to implement and come with a high risk of losing much needed public support.

[Ozyhibby]

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That's utter rubbish for you.

Do you feel OK? Hopefully you get through the worst of it quickly and can still enjoy a decent Christmas in the house.

Just muscle pain and the shivers so far.


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[Frazerbob]

My pub has been full of American and Asian tourists the last few days. Easily the most foreign visitors we've had since the original lockdown. When chatting to them, none of them have done the 'isolation until negative PCR thing' and don't even know what I'm talking about. Good for business, not so good for stopping the spread!

[Smartie]

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Just tested positive on a lateral flow so that’s my Xmas goosed. No footy tonight either. Family all blaming my trip to Hampden.


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My partner tested positive on a LFT on Monday morning, that has since been confirmed by PCR - so we've got the pair of us plus a 3 year old isolating in a 2 bedroom flat.

So far I'm still negative - have been testing daily with LFT's. I got a PCR done on Monday but don't have the result back (partner's positive and daughter's negative tests already back).

I've canned work for the week, even though technically I can go (boostered back in November, negative lateral flows every day so far) and this will have consequences. Having been at the cup final on Sunday (and everyone at work knowing about it) it wouldn't have looked good for me to be marching into work, given they knew about Fiona's positive test on Monday and me having to cancel the day to get my PCR. If anyone had caught it from anywhere, tested positive at work this week and then ruined their Christmas, I'd have inevitably copped the blame, so I've opted to stay away and prevent any of that from happening.

Interesting that so far I haven't picked it up from my partner. Since her positive test we've tried to stay out of each other's way as much as possible but we were pretty normal over the weekend. Either we're not all that close or this booster of mine is actually pretty good at stopping transmission.

My partner had mild symptoms from Friday - she lost her voice on Sunday and had agreed with her boss that it probably wouldn't look good for her to go in to work this week, so that had already been decided prior to her positive test. My daughter is a door handle licking permanent ball of snotters, so it's near impossible to tell what is "normal" and what is "symptomatic" with her.

I've actually been long cynical about the effectiveness of LFT's (I'd wondered about false negatives and how easy it actually was to collect a sample that would lead to a positive result) - but my partner has done a couple over the course of this week and they've obviously been going positive pretty quickly. So I have a renewed faith in the accuracy of these things tbh.

Due to all of the above - I won't be there tonight.

[Pretty Boy]

Interesting thread here on scientific advice and the issue with relying solely on a relatively small group for advice:

https://twitter.com/GeorgiaLadbury/s...qMxgyb1Ew&s=19