Tories are still lying *******s

[Kato]

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Of course.

I think it’s pretty demeaning to assume that’s why scores of people voted for him though.

Yeah, politics can be rough.

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[WhileTheChief..]

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The reasons you gave for voting Tory the other day were contrary, vague and by your own admission ill-informed, with the idea put forward that your just a working class person so why should you be a politico.

"I don't go reading every political manifesto or considering every policy before I decide who to vote for. Like a lot of people, I look to the leaders and what they are about."

You also said you "like Boris".


Fair enough. You're entitled to vote for someone if their eyes are less close together than their opponents if you want, but are you in a position to complain about appearing ignorant after posting that?

Working class people used to the sharpest tools in the political box. Using it as an excuse for not being informed is pretty sad.

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I’m not making excuses for anything.

The point I was making was that I tend to vote for a leader I like. I don’t think that’s an uncommon position to hold. I don’t like Boris because of his hair or choice of clothing though!

Cant remember what reasons I gave for voting Conservative, it’s irrelevant to this point really.

You say I’m I’ll informed. Ok, I’ll take that. Same as millions and millions up and down the country. You and a few others on here appear to follow things really closely, fair do’s.

I don’t. I get snippets on the news on the radio in the morning, or on Newsnight or Sky news or whatever. I don’t pretend to know it all and I’m not trying to change anyone’s view on anything. I still like to have a wee say now and again though.

If it’s any consolation to you, I’m a Conservative voter living in Glasgow’s east end. The definition of a wasted vote!

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I think folk are giving him credit he doesn’t deserve in making him out to be some sort of evil genius, with the appearance part of some sort of master plan.

Everything I see suggests he’s a ****ing imbecile.

The 1st link is long but gives some idea into the Johnson image and character being deeper than 1st glance suggests. The 2nd follows a similar theme:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/boris-johnson-minister-of-chaos/619010/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/12/boris-johnson-brexit.html

'Boris' was something of a fictional character. At some point the lines between reality and fiction became blurred and have now almost disappeared entirely.

[Kato]

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The point I was making was that I tend to vote for a leader I like. I don’t think that’s an uncommon position to hold. I don’t like Boris because of his hair or choice of clothing though!

Cant remember what reasons I gave for voting Conservative, it’s irrelevant to this point really.

You say I’m I’ll informed. Ok, I’ll take that. Same as millions and millions up and down the country.

If you take voting for him because "he seems like a good bloke to have a pint with" as a broad euphemism for voting for him because "he's the leader I like". It's not really too much of difference. It's a daft-ish reason to vote for any leader, not many people "liked" Thatcher for instance, Churchill was reviled by many before WW2, but its hardly the worst insult.

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[WhileTheChief..]

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If you take voting for him because "he seems like a good bloke to have a pint with" as a broad euphemism for voting for him because "he's the leader I like". It's not really too much of difference. It's a daft-ish reason to vote for any leader, not many people "liked" Thatcher for instance, Churchill was reviled by many before WW2, but its hardly the worst insult.

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Tony Blair? Worked for him a treat.

Why you so bothered about why I vote a certain way? I’ve given a couple of lines and you seem intent on just putting me down. Fine. Can we just leave it at that? I’m not about to write paragraphs only for you to tear it to shreds and say I’m wrong.

[WhileTheChief..]

There’s probably some folk that vote SNP because they like Nicola Sturgeon. Is that daft too?

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Tony Blair? Worked for him a treat.

Why you so bothered about why I vote a certain way? I’ve given a couple of lines and you seem intent on just putting me down. Fine. Can we just leave it at that? I’m not about to write paragraphs only for you to tear it to shreds and say I’m wrong.

Not so bothered about your vote and not having a go.

There were claims a few days ago that this thread was all insults towards Torys and Tory voters. Someone points out that some people voted for that party for trite reasons and you took umbrage when, apparently, you voted for that party for trite reasons.

Just a bit surprised that it's worth complaining about.

Your vote maybe didn't matter but thousands of votes based on trite reasons did.

One theme of this thread is that despite being liars many Tory politicians were voted in with thousands of votes given for reasons that were trite, or contrary, or for things that weren't really on the table.

I don't like any politicians btw, admire a few, none of whom play that game any more, and that's it. If they do a good job for the whole country then that's the least to be expected. This century has been a sh*t show on that front and its getting sh*ttier.



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Of course.

I think it’s pretty demeaning to assume that’s why scores of people voted for him though.

PB was being kind. IMO vast swathes of people this time round voted tory just to piss off liberals, the same as with Brexit. Voting for self harm out of spite goes way beyond stupid.

[hibsbollah]

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If it’s any consolation to you, I’m a Conservative voter living in Glasgow’s east end. The definition of a wasted vote!

You sound like the kind of fellow I could go for a pint with.

I'll see you at Loudens on Saturday.

[WhileTheChief..]

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You sound like the kind of fellow I could go for a pint with.

I'll see you at Loudens on Saturday.

That's about a 5 mins walk for me, 8 mins to the Bristol Bar.

Not 100% sure, but I think you need and to be wearing a large sovereign ring and sporting neck tattoos to get in? Maybe that's just for the ladies?

[WhileTheChief..]

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PB was being kind. IMO vast swathes of people this time round voted tory just to piss off liberals, the same as with Brexit. Voting for self harm out of spite goes way beyond stupid.

I think it was more to do that they felt Labour had abandoned them to chase the liberal elite vote.

They had a choice of Corbyn or Johnson, it's no surprise who they chose!

I asked the other day if I was the only Conservative voter on here, I wonder if there are any Labour votes left?!!

Seems to me like a lot of posters on here would be traditional Labour voters but they have all moved to support the SNP instead.

[Northernhibee]

Out of interest - the Tory voters on here - I’d love to know why you think they’re the party to turn around the fortunes of Britain considering they’ve been in power for eleven years and we’re in an absolute mess.

Not looking for an argument - just understanding.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sorry seems to be the hardest word. If one of your chums is caught up in corruption, just abolish the rules which say you can't be corrupt.

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Out of interest - the Tory voters on here - I’d love to know why you think they’re the party to turn around the fortunes of Britain considering they’ve been in power for eleven years and we’re in an absolute mess.

Not looking for an argument - just understanding.

At least it not Corbyn, Get Brexit Done, I'd have a pint with Boris, he seems a good bloke, Labour didn't give us any foodbanks - delete as appropriate.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Out of interest - the Tory voters on here - I’d love to know why you think they’re the party to turn around the fortunes of Britain considering they’ve been in power for eleven years and we’re in an absolute mess.

Not looking for an argument - just understanding.

Happy to share my thoughts, that's all they are, not saying I'm right!

I don't see the country as being in a mess.

The whole Brexit thing took ages to get done and it felt like everything else was in limbo during that time. Theresa May didn't give me any confidence that Brexit would happen so when she left and Boris came in, it felt like things could get moving.

I remember watching his first press conference or similar and being really impressed with his upbeat, positive outlook on things. It was such a refreshing change from the few years of bitter arguments we had just had.

Then Covid hit and everything else fell by the wayside again.

For all the Conservatives failings, and I'm comfortable acknowledging there's been a lot of them, I still see them as a better option to Labour. I'm not in favour of Independence so I can't vote SNP.

So, I don't exactly see them as being the party that can turns things around as such, but I also don't see the issues that so many of you on here do, or at least not to the same extent.

[One Day Soon]

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I think it was more to do that they felt Labour had abandoned them to chase the liberal elite vote.

They had a choice of Corbyn or Johnson, it's no surprise who they chose!

I asked the other day if I was the only Conservative voter on here, I wonder if there are any Labour votes left?!!

Seems to me like a lot of posters on here would be traditional Labour voters but they have all moved to support the SNP instead.

Yes there are and no they haven't.

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Details of some of the MPs financial arrangements; Andrew Mitchell receiving £180,000 per year from 6 businesses on top of his £80k mp salary, another MP Julian Smith receives £144,000 from 3 businesses. Will these MPs ever vote for what would be in effect, slashing their salaries by more than half, especially when some know they have little chance of promotion into the cabinet? I really hope this continues to be in the spotlight, it won’t be limited to Tory MPs either….

Geoffrey Cox in poll possition with earning £400k a year for advising the Virgin Islands in relation to fraud charges brought by our own foreign office. Pretty sweet really as he was held up in the Virgin Islands for months during lockdown and voting in Parliament via proxy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...an-in-lockdown

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There’s probably some folk that vote SNP because they like Nicola Sturgeon. Is that daft too?

It would depend on why they like her. Is it because they view her as professional, honest etc or would they just like to share a can of Irn Bru with her down at the local Cafe. If they view her as trustworthy and professional that may be a reason to vote for her. Being likeable has little to do with it though

I think the point you make on how you vote and where you get your information probably sums up the electorate. Voting has become too complicated as well as becoming to simple. The characters are simplified with Corbyn in the Russian Hat etc and the policies are the same with three worded slogans being all that is required to win the British Public over. The actual game of politics is probably more complicated than ever with a digital and traditional economy, a hugely hostile world and a planet on the brink.

I tend to read all the manifestos, take in as much as I can on TV but only in terms of listening to the politicians rather than the spin put on by journalist. I then weigh what the manifestos say against the likelihood of the politicians in that party doing what they say they will do. That means I will never vote Tory as they only make promises to gain power and change with the wind when they get in. I'm pretty much in the no-one left to vote for as I can't really see any party who is heading the way I want Scotland and the UK to head and also who I remotely trust to actually do what they say. I'll return to spoiling my paper from now on as I did for more than a decade after Blair got in. A spoilt paper says what I think about who I want to lead us and I would much prefer there was a none of the above box and a genuine campaign to vote for that. I like 80s movies as you can probably tell

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Details of some of the MPs financial arrangements; Andrew Mitchell receiving £180,000 per year from 6 businesses on top of his £80k mp salary, another MP Julian Smith receives £144,000 from 3 businesses. Will these MPs ever vote for what would be in effect, slashing their salaries by more than half, especially when some know they have little chance of promotion into the cabinet? I really hope this continues to be in the spotlight, it won’t be limited to Tory MPs either….

Whatever safeguards were put in place you can be assured there would be those that would find a way round it. For example Ministers aren't allowed to be part of these shenanigans however it turned out Matt Hancocks wife had shares in companies getting lucrative contracts and there's the infamous pub landlord! And then there's Rushis banker pals quids in after the Budget.

[JeMeSouviens]

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PB was being kind. IMO vast swathes of people this time round voted tory just to piss off liberals, the same as with Brexit. Voting for self harm out of spite goes way beyond stupid.

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Whatever safeguards were put in place you can be assured there would be those that would find a way round it. For example Ministers aren't allowed to be part of these shenanigans however it turned out Matt Hancocks wife had shares in companies getting lucrative contracts and there's the infamous pub landlord! And then there's Rushis banker pals quids in after the Budget.

That’s true, but without these safeguards and systems the likes of Neil Hamilton (and Johnathan Aitken I think too) wouldn’t have done jail time.

[lapsedhibee]

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That’s true, but without these safeguards and systems the likes of Neil Hamilton (and Johnathan Aitken I think too) wouldn’t have done jail time.

Don't think Hamilton was jailed, was he? Aitken was.

[Northernhibee]

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Happy to share my thoughts, that's all they are, not saying I'm right!

I don't see the country as being in a mess.

The whole Brexit thing took ages to get done and it felt like everything else was in limbo during that time. Theresa May didn't give me any confidence that Brexit would happen so when she left and Boris came in, it felt like things could get moving.

I remember watching his first press conference or similar and being really impressed with his upbeat, positive outlook on things. It was such a refreshing change from the few years of bitter arguments we had just had.

Then Covid hit and everything else fell by the wayside again.

For all the Conservatives failings, and I'm comfortable acknowledging there's been a lot of them, I still see them as a better option to Labour. I'm not in favour of Independence so I can't vote SNP.

So, I don't exactly see them as being the party that can turns things around as such, but I also don't see the issues that so many of you on here do, or at least not to the same extent.

Again out of a lack of understanding on my part, if you were to see the issues that we see would you likely change your vote?

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It would depend on why they like her. Is it because they view her as professional, honest etc or would they just like to share a can of Irn Bru with her down at the local Cafe. If they view her as trustworthy and professional that may be a reason to vote for her. Being likeable has little to do with it though

I think the point you make on how you vote and where you get your information probably sums up the electorate. Voting has become too complicated as well as becoming to simple. The characters are simplified with Corbyn in the Russian Hat etc and the policies are the same with three worded slogans being all that is required to win the British Public over. The actual game of politics is probably more complicated than ever with a digital and traditional economy, a hugely hostile world and a planet on the brink.

I tend to read all the manifestos, take in as much as I can on TV but only in terms of listening to the politicians rather than the spin put on by journalist. I then weigh what the manifestos say against the likelihood of the politicians in that party doing what they say they will do. That means I will never vote Tory as they only make promises to gain power and change with the wind when they get in. I'm pretty much in the no-one left to vote for as I can't really see any party who is heading the way I want Scotland and the UK to head and also who I remotely trust to actually do what they say. I'll return to spoiling my paper from now on as I did for more than a decade after Blair got in. A spoilt paper says what I think about who I want to lead us and I would much prefer there was a none of the above box and a genuine campaign to vote for that. I like 80s movies as you can probably tell

I actually feel sorry for politicians! Some of them must put so much work into an issue only for folk like me to miss it entirely or pick it up incorrectly from a new bulletin or headline.

If you go to the bother of reading the manifestos, take the extra leap and cast your vote. Maybe an independent in your area if you don't fancy the main parties?

Nowt wrong with 80s movies.

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Don't think Hamilton was jailed, was he? Aitken was.

You’re right, it wasn’t jail time. But Hamilton did end up in court for cash for questions, but it was a libel case against the guardian which he lost, so his guilt was by implication. Also won a libel case against the bbc where widespread witness intimidation was reported.

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Again out of a lack of understanding on my part, if you were to see the issues that we see would you likely change your vote?

Hard to say for sure, but I doubt it.

I was close to voting for independence but in the end decided against it. I like some of what the SNP does but the indy issue will always prevent me from voting for them.

I can't stand socialism. I find the likes of Corbyn frightening and the thought of him or someone like him in power doesn't bear thinking about. I don't mind Starmer, but the folk around him are so weak I don't think they'll do well at all.

Lib Dems or Greens? Meh.

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Hard to say for sure, but I doubt it.

I was close to voting for independence but in the end decided against it. I like some of what the SNP does but the indy issue will always prevent me from voting for them.

I can't stand socialism. I find the likes of Corbyn frightening and the thought of him or someone like him in power doesn't bear thinking about. I don't mind Starmer, but the folk around him are so weak I don't think they'll do well at all.

Lib Dems or Greens? Meh.

What don't you like about socialism the most?:

Free health care at source.

Free education at source for children.

Allowances for disabled people.

Allowances for people out of work.

Or do you have another socialism pet peeve that annoys you more?

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Hard to say for sure, but I doubt it.

I was close to voting for independence but in the end decided against it. I like some of what the SNP does but the indy issue will always prevent me from voting for them.

I can't stand socialism. I find the likes of Corbyn frightening and the thought of him or someone like him in power doesn't bear thinking about. I don't mind Starmer, but the folk around him are so weak I don't think they'll do well at all.

Lib Dems or Greens? Meh.

Hang on, you almost voted for independence, but you could never vote snp because of independence.

You are one confused individual.

You've said that you voted for Boris because you like him, but I bet you aren't in his constituency, so what you really did was vote for the Conservative candidate, whoever that is because you like the party leader. You have also said that you don't read the manifestos and get your information from what is broadcast.

On the other hand Wookie does the opposite, reads up on the party manifestos and then spoils his paper because none of the parties meets his standards.


Neither wonder the country (ies) in such a state!

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What don't you like about socialism the most?:

Free health care at source.

Free education at source for children.

Allowances for disabled people.

Allowances for people out of work.

Or do you have another socialism pet peeve that annoys you more?

He doesn't like the red flag 😉