Tories are still lying *******s

[WhileTheChief..]

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Is it not simple. You're not bothered about Rangers fans insulting, disgusting names for Catholics but are up in arms about people on here using insulting, disgusting names for Conservatives.



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You're so bothered about their singing that you do what exactly??

Nowt.

Same as me.

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Now we've got the Conservatives talking about levelling up across the country. I'd have thought everyone on the Left would see that as a positive thing.

If you believe the Tories have any interest in levelling up then I've got a bridge to sell you.

I can understand people voting Tory in the past - they used to be "the party of business", a safe pair of hands for the economy. But **** business and Brexit has blown that completely out of the water - the current Government is Tory in name only, now they're just interested in getting money for themselves. You just have to look at the number of "decent" Tories who got kicked out of the party.

[Kato]

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I doubt many Conservative voters vote the way they did because of these issues. I know I didn't.

It's just that these issues aren't the priority for the majority of people in the country.

Mile long foodbank queues?? Really? This is sort of stuff I just don't get. It's like Corbyn describing a country that hardly anyone recognised.

Maybe I'm extremely fortunate but I've never come across this and don't know anyone that knows anyone that is affected like this. ( I earn an average wage BTW and come from a working class family so I'm not some well off Tory B!)

Now we've got the Conservatives talking about levelling up across the country. I'd have thought everyone on the Left would see that as a positive thing. Get poorer people in the country earning more and giving them more opportunites in life. That's got to be a good thing no?

It would be great if levelling up was an actual thing. At the moment it's just talk. Maybe some people just don't trust the talk given how disparity has grown so much under the Tory finance policies during the last 40 years. "Levelling up" would see some sort of downward trend in disparity levels, so we'll just have to wait and see. Have heard it all before though, "hard working families", "all in this together" those turned out to be lies.


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[Kato]

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Perfectly chilled here, not up in arms about anything.

What are you complaining about then?

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[Northernhibee]

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It's just that these issues aren't the priority for the majority of people in the country.

Mile long foodbank queues?? Really? This is sort of stuff I just don't get. It's like Corbyn describing a country that hardly anyone recognised.
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Why would that not be someone's priority, to ensure that people can afford to put food on the table and a roof over their head? Is that how self centred this nation has become in the last eleven years?

Loughborough University studies found that 41.1% of children in Middlesborough are living in poverty. In one of the richest countries in the world.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I doubt many Conservative voters vote the way they did because of these issues. I know I didn't.

It's just that these issues aren't the priority for the majority of people in the country.

Mile long foodbank queues?? Really? This is sort of stuff I just don't get. It's like Corbyn describing a country that hardly anyone recognised.

Maybe I'm extremely fortunate but I've never come across this and don't know anyone that knows anyone that is affected like this. ( I earn an average wage BTW and come from a working class family so I'm not some well off Tory B!)

Now we've got the Conservatives talking about levelling up across the country. I'd have thought everyone on the Left would see that as a positive thing. Get poorer people in the country earning more and giving them more opportunites in life. That's got to be a good thing no?

It's like the Left want to keep people in perpetual poverty instead of trying to lift them out of it.

Can I ask, have you seen the empty shelves in supermarkets recently?

Who do you blame for them?

[Kato]

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You're so bothered about their singing that you do what exactly??

Nowt.

Same as me.

You do a lot of defending them singing those songs on here.

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More authoritarian by the day. Don't think democracy in the UK has been in such peril as now imo

And they are doing it in plain sight and hoping nobody notices. Just horrible human beings but the worse is probably to come. It boils down to the vast majority voting for their interests and have no interest in helping others You see it every day. The fact that some folk don't see food banks so don't think it's an issue sums it up perfectly. With the ni rise,soaring energy bills,universal credit cut and huge increases in food means the poorest will be the worst off they have been for decades. The tories don't give a dawn Shameful behaviour but par for the course for them.

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Two years into a 5 year term, can anyone point to a specific policy that should level up anything?


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Two years into a 5 year term, can anyone point to a specific policy that should level up anything?


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Or even a concrete definition of what "levelling up" is?

[Kato]

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It's just that these issues aren't the priority for the majority of people in the country.

What are their priorities?

What are your priorities?

As I've stated a few times here my priorities are to see businesses and industries thrive, a capitalist outlook with a chance for everyone to make good out of it, coupled with a strong social contract. No Conservative govt has delivered that in my lifetime.





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"talking about leveling up" ha ha ha

They've been in power over a decade and everyone should be perfectly content with 'talking about leveling up'

Have they themselves even put any definition what leveling up is? What will be a success? When can it be judged?

Brilliant

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[WhileTheChief..]

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Why would that not be someone's priority, to ensure that people can afford to put food on the table and a roof over their head? Is that how self centred this nation has become in the last eleven years?

Loughborough University studies found that 41.1% of children in Middlesborough are living in poverty. In one of the richest countries in the world.

I'd imagine most people voting put their own families interests first? I'd have thought that goes without saying really and doesn't make anyone self-centered for doing so.

If you've got young kids you probably care a lot about education for example.

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I'd imagine most people voting put their own families interests first? I'd have thought that goes without saying really and doesn't make anyone self-centered for doing so.

If you've got young kids you probably care a lot about education for example.

If you’ve got young kids in certain parts of the country you’ve got not far off a 50/50 chance of them being in poverty.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-boris-johnson-refuse-declare-25387334

Is this story “levelling up”? What is it about the Tories that could be “best for your family”? The decaying NHS? Underfunded education system? Overstretched justice system if someone you know is on the wrong end of a crime?

Unless you know a cabinet member and are likely to get a dodgy VIP lane contract, how could they possibly benefit the average family?

[Kato]

Educating kids who don't have enough food in their bellys is really difficult.

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[WhileTheChief..]

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You do a lot of defending them singing those songs on here.

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Harping on about this again? I've never defended Rangers fans on here. Ever.

However, if there's a choice between having to listen to hate speech / songs or having government censor free speech then it's a no brainer for me though.

Free speech trumps everything in my book. Without exception.

Who decides what's hate speech? It's s slippery road you're going down when government can tell you what you can or can't say. Go ask a student living in Hong Kong.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/c...x=1636113170-2


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[Kato]

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Harping on about this again? I've never defended Rangers fans on here. Ever.

However, if there's a choice between having to listen to hate speech / songs or having government censor free speech then it's a no brainer for me though.

Free speech trumps everything in my book. Without exception.

Who decides what's hate speech? It's s slippery road you're going down when government can tell you what you can or can't say. Go ask a student living in Hong Kong.

It's nothing to do with government legislation for me. It doesn't work, ir didn't work and won't work. Wasn't up for the SNP's legislation at all and recognised it was put together by people who don't understand football fans and who probably don't like what they imagine football fans are.

That's not say I'm against what they sing. It's a symptom of a "divide and rule" tactic used again and again to control populations. Singling out a community as an "other" so the ruling classes can rest assured they are divided and can continue their exploitation.

Education and solidarity is they way out of that split, not legislation.

It's not the binary choice you present it as.

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I'd imagine most people voting put their own families interests first? I'd have thought that goes without saying really and doesn't make anyone self-centered for doing so.

If you've got young kids you probably care a lot about education for example.

1. Name something that the current Govt is doing that is putting you, your family’s or your country’s interests first. So we can debate that.

2. What are your thoughts on the Paterson affair, and how is him taking half a million pounds to put policies in place that benefits a particular businessman, benefiting you and your family? How does corruption help you and your family? He’s now walking away to a massive pension and a massive career on the speaking circuit.

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Free speech trumps everything in my book. Without exception.
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I wholeheartedly agree that free speech is absolutely vital.

Which is why I utterly condemn the anti-free speech Tory Party.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-wokery.html

[WhileTheChief..]

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Can I ask, have you seen the empty shelves in supermarkets recently?

Who do you blame for them?

I don't blame anyone, I can wait a few days to buy more crisps or pasta, it's no big deal really!

Who should I be blaming? Will we just say the f'in Tories and save us all a bit time?!

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I don't blame anyone, I can wait a few days to buy more crisps or pasta, it's no big deal really!

Who should I be blaming? Will we just say the f'in Tories and save us all a bit time?!

I miss not having to wait a few days to be able to do my shopping. Nobody put that on the side of a bus.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I don't blame anyone, I can wait a few days to buy more crisps or pasta, it's no big deal really!

Who should I be blaming? Will we just say the f'in Tories and save us all a bit time?!

So, nothing to do with Brexit then? That's why we have shortages, lack of employees from the EU because they were hounded out by tory government!

[WhileTheChief..]

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1. Name something that the current Govt is doing that is putting you, your family’s or your country’s interests first. So we can debate that.

2. What are your thoughts on the Paterson affair, and how is him taking half a million pounds to put policies in place that benefits a particular businessman, benefiting you and your family? How does corruption help you and your family? He’s now walking away to a massive pension and a massive career on the speaking circuit.

1. I can't really, I'm pretty easily pleased though and am happy with the way things are going. Similarly there is nothing the Scottish Gov has done that I can point to and say has made a tangible difference to my life. The one thing I do genuinely give them credit for is the Queensferry Crossing and finishing the M8 upgrade.

In general terms though, I vote Conservative because I'm more for smaller government and more freedom to the individual. I hate the way we have moved so much towards identity politics and the self loathing people seem to have about Britain as a whole. I think we're a tremendous country.

2. Disgusting. He should have been booted out the party when it was proved what he was up to. Clearly none of what he has done benefits me. But it doesn't follow that I should therefore vote for a different party.

People still vote for the SNP despite Derek McKay for example!

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So, nothing to do with Brexit then? That's why we have shortages, lack of employees from the EU because they were hounded out by tory government!

What reason to folk in other countries give for the empty shelves? It's not a UK issue, it's happening across the world.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I don't blame anyone, I can wait a few days to buy more crisps or pasta, it's no big deal really!

Who should I be blaming? Will we just say the f'in Tories and save us all a bit time?!

Not everyone lives in big cities where they can go to different places to complete the shopping. I have a 60 mile round trip to the supermarket, that's an extra 90 minutes on the day compared to city dwellers. I can't "wait a few days" because I can only do a supermarket shop once a month.

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What reason to folk in other countries give for the empty shelves? It's not a UK issue, it's happening across the world.

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/short...w-from-europe/

Really?

[Moulin Yarns]

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What reason to folk in other countries give for the empty shelves? It's not a UK issue, it's happening across the world.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hunt-for-fruit-pickers-extends-6-000-miles-as-shortage-bites-xtthzl3mp

Like to explain that?

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https://northeastbylines.co.uk/short...w-from-europe/

Really?

Surely not another lie from the tories? 🤔😂