Rangers v Hibs

**ancient hibee** · 04-10-2021 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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I think appealing the red card is the least the club can do and what the fans would expect.

If it’s the least the club can do what should they do in addition?

***Pagan Hibernia*** · 04-10-2021 05:06 PM

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I think appealing the red card is the least the club can do and what the fans would expect.

it is but I fear it’s an utterly futile gesture.

porteous has already been tried and found guilty by the MSM.

not a chance that’s getting overturned.

***allmodcons*** · 04-10-2021 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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JR sitting on the fence for the sake of his own career to keep open a future job offer from the Old Firm. That's my reading of his comments.

You really are a pathetic attention seeker at times.

***wookie70*** · 04-10-2021 05:21 PM

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it is but I fear it’s an utterly futile gesture.

porteous has already been tried and found guilty by the MSM.

not a chance that’s getting overturned.

We have had a few overturned and a few applied after our opponents got away with it on the day. I wonder if there is an application process where you can get all your cards retrospectively like Hearts and The Thes. Playing the games with a full complement and dealing with suspensions with a week or to prepare seems preferable to me.

**mcohibs** · 04-10-2021 05:21 PM

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The more I see it the harder I find it to make up my mind.

Some angles it looks totally innocuous, one angle it looks horrific.

It seems that more than ever you pick an opinion then compile the evidence to back it up and there is evidence with that one to back up either opinion.

Exactly. And the referee only gets to look at the incident once in real time and make a decision. The fact that some fans can't fathom how he even MIGHT come to the conclusion that it's a red is what I don't understand.

Ryan didn't need to go to ground. He was clearly getting to the ball before Aribo on his feet. But he made the decision to lunge in and his foot rolls over the top of the ball as he makes contact with it and his studs were showing. And at pace. He gave the ref a decision to make when he didn't need to. That's exactly how I expect Jack Ross to see it also btw. It was needless and I'm not sure anyone can argue that it wasn't (even if you don't think it's a red).

***ian cruise*** · 04-10-2021 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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I think appealing the red card is the least the club can do and what the fans would expect.

Agreed. We should have quit the whole league in protest. Obviously Ross has too much influence in the club and is insisting we stick two fingers up to Ryan by not doing so in support of him.

**~~Allez Hibs~~** · 04-10-2021 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by ancient hibee

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If it’s the least the club can do what should they do in addition?

The manager should have stood up for the club and put it front and centre the clear bias from officials not only yesterday but in previous games against Rangers.

They clearly influence officials, why shouldn't we in the build up to games. We are a big club.

**~~Allez Hibs~~** · 04-10-2021 05:31 PM

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You really are a pathetic attention seeker at times.

Constructive post. Well done.

***Hibs90*** · 04-10-2021 05:31 PM

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Exactly. And the referee only gets to look at the incident once in real time and make a decision. The fact that some fans can't fathom how he even MIGHT come to the conclusion that it's a red is what I don't understand.

Ryan didn't need to go to ground. He was clearly getting to the ball before Aribo on his feet. But he made the decision to lunge in and his foot rolls over the top of the ball as he makes contact with it and his studs were showing. And at pace. He gave the ref a decision to make when he didn't need to. That's exactly how I expect Jack Ross to see it also btw. It was needless and I'm not sure anyone can argue that it wasn't (even if you don't think it's a red).

Still screenshots mean **** all.

***ian cruise*** · 04-10-2021 05:32 PM

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The manager should have stood up for the club and put it front and centre the clear bias from officials not only yesterday but in previous games against Rangers.

They clearly influence officials, why shouldn't we in the build up to games. We are a big club.

If there's a clear bias towards rangers throughout the game why would the press have cared, or even bothered to report what we said in the run up to the game? If they had would it have been a fair representation of our comments?

**~~Allez Hibs~~** · 04-10-2021 05:34 PM

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If there's a clear bias towards rangers throughout the game why would the press have cared, or even bothered to report what we said in the run up to the game? If they had would it have been a fair representation of our comments?

Because we have a voice. The club shouldn't just roll over and just accept things.

**hibbysam** · 04-10-2021 05:44 PM

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Exactly. And the referee only gets to look at the incident once in real time and make a decision. The fact that some fans can't fathom how he even MIGHT come to the conclusion that it's a red is what I don't understand.

Ryan didn't need to go to ground. He was clearly getting to the ball before Aribo on his feet. But he made the decision to lunge in and his foot rolls over the top of the ball as he makes contact with it and his studs were showing. And at pace. He gave the ref a decision to make when he didn't need to. That's exactly how I expect Jack Ross to see it also btw. It was needless and I'm not sure anyone can argue that it wasn't (even if you don't think it's a red).

You do know the ref was behind the incident and never seen what happened eh? Decent story though.

***ian cruise*** · 04-10-2021 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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Because we have a voice. The club shouldn't just roll over and just accept things.

We haven't though. We've appealed the decision which is the exact opposite of rolling over and accepting things.

**~~Peevemor~~** · 04-10-2021 05:54 PM

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The manager should have stood up for the club and put it front and centre the clear bias from officials not only yesterday but in previous games against Rangers.

They clearly influence officials, why shouldn't we in the build up to games. We are a big club.

If referees sometimes get decisions wrong on the spur of the moment and on here we can still disagree with each other over different incidents, how sure do you think Jack Ross can be of every decision from his viewpoint at the dugout?

Obviously managers get a quick look at certain things before their post match interviews, but they certainly don't have time for micro analysis of the entire match.

I'm glad we have a manager who speaks intelligently and with composure as opposed to spouting the hysterical nonsense that you seem to be wanting.

**~~Peevemor~~** · 04-10-2021 05:55 PM

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You do know the ref was behind the incident and never seen what happened eh? Decent story though.

The referee had a very good view of Porto's challenge.

***Squealing pig*** · 04-10-2021 05:55 PM

Football phone in is a joke to listen to these Huns great tackle from the rangers guy blah blah

**hfc-1875** · 04-10-2021 05:58 PM

Red card all day for me, let’s face it if it was the other way about we would all be saying it’s a red! Porto had no need to fly in like that could easily have slid and taken the ball but once again let’s us down trying to show he’s a big hard man. Yes he made minimal/no contact with Aribo but he still flew in over the top of the ball and could easily have broke his leg

**B.H.F.C** · 04-10-2021 06:03 PM

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Red card all day for me, let’s face it if it was the other way about we would all be saying it’s a red! Porto had no need to fly in like that could easily have slid and taken the ball but once again let’s us down trying to show he’s a big hard man. Yes he made minimal/no contact with Aribo but he still flew in over the top of the ball and could easily have broke his leg

Where does all this ‘once again he’s let us down’ stuff come from? Are these red cards a regular thing?

He’s maybe made mistakes that cost us goals but comments like the above suggest that he’s letting us down time and again discipline wise. He’s not, despite what Stevie and the media suggest.

**mcohibs** · 04-10-2021 06:04 PM

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You do know the ref was behind the incident and never seen what happened eh? Decent story though.

What on earth are you talking about? That's not even remotely true. Honestly, folk just pull things out their arse when posting on here sometimes.

**Andy74** · 04-10-2021 06:04 PM

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Red card all day for me, let’s face it if it was the other way about we would all be saying it’s a red! Porto had no need to fly in like that could easily have slid and taken the ball but once again let’s us down trying to show he’s a big hard man. Yes he made minimal/no contact with Aribo but he still flew in over the top of the ball and could easily have broke his leg

That’s rubbish from start to finish.

***Smartie*** · 04-10-2021 06:05 PM

Going back to the home leg vs that mob from Andorra, then this - there seems to be an awful lot down to the discretion of the referee now. Crazy tackles that aren’t even punished with a foul, contentious red cards when there’s the perception of recklessness. It’s hard to see a strain of consistency through the decision making.

It is more than a wee bit open to abuse, in my opinion.

We can, and will, bicker amongst ourselves about it but I don’t think it’s a great situation for the game in general.

***Pagan Hibernia*** · 04-10-2021 06:07 PM

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Red card all day for me, let’s face it if it was the other way about we would all be saying it’s a red! Porto had no need to fly in like that could easily have slid and taken the ball but once again let’s us down trying to show he’s a big hard man. Yes he made minimal/no contact with Aribo but he still flew in over the top of the ball and could easily have broke his leg

it was the other way about, approximately 27 minutes earlier to be exact.

whatever your thoughts on porteous’ challenge, many people’s frustration comes from the fact that it’s one rule for them and another for the rest of us.

**hfc-1875** · 04-10-2021 06:22 PM

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That’s rubbish from start to finish.

Explain..

**Andy74** · 04-10-2021 06:24 PM

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Explain..

In the sense that it was all rubbish.

**brianmc** · 04-10-2021 06:27 PM

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In the sense that it was all rubbish.

A bit like your claim Porto kicked the bottom of the ball then?

**hibbysam** · 04-10-2021 06:28 PM

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What on earth are you talking about? That's not even remotely true. Honestly, folk just pull things out their arse when posting on here sometimes.

It’s the opposite side of his body, unless he can see through Porto’s body to see how he dives in. The fact he doesn’t blow straight away and almost allows play to continue shows that. Incident happens in front of Porteous on his left side, the ref is behind Porteous on his right side, doesn’t get much more opposite to me.

**hfc-1875** · 04-10-2021 06:32 PM

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In the sense that it was all rubbish.

Great response! So you don’t think portoeus could have slid and not go in so recklessly? And you don’t think if aribo never jumped he couldn’t have got a broken leg?

**~~Peevemor~~** · 04-10-2021 06:36 PM

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It’s the opposite side of his body, unless he can see through Porto’s body to see how he dives in. The fact he doesn’t blow straight away and almost allows play to continue shows that. Incident happens in front of Porteous on his left side, the ref is behind Porteous on his right side, doesn’t get much more opposite to me.

Except Porto's leg wasn't hidden by his body as it was sticking straight out in front of him.