Rangers v Hibs

[WhileTheChief..]

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JR sitting on the fence for the sake of his own career to keep open a future job offer from the Old Firm. That's my reading of his comments.

That’s some take on things.

He won’t win friends at Celtic doing this. JR needs to try harder if his game plan is all just one long job application!

[Allez Hibs]

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That’s some take on things.

He won’t win friends at Celtic doing this. JR needs to try harder if his game plan is all just one long job application!

Yes, it is tongue in cheek. But I'm sure you get the sentiment. He's following his media training to the letter.

[Callum_62]

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JR sitting on the fence for the sake of his own career to keep open a future job offer from the Old Firm. That's my reading of his comments.

Aye OK then.

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[Peevemor]

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JR sitting on the fence for the sake of his own career to keep open a future job offer from the Old Firm. That's my reading of his comments.

Aye right.

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So you think it was a red card?

Possibly - so what? It has nothing to do with the Porteous incident.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Yes, it is tongue in cheek. But I'm sure you get the sentiment. He's following his media training to the letter.

Nope. I get the anger about the game yesterday but I don’t see what difference it would make if JR was more vocal about things.

I don’t think the game is corrupt at all. Be interesting to see if our owner or CEO think it is. I doubt it.

[jeffers]

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I've just looked at it on Hibs TV
From the one angle available i think there is a case for a red card under the present system.
Lunging into the tackle with both feet off the ground and like the Porteous one it intimidates the opposing player causing him to take evasive action.
Only thing that makes it look better is that he accurately blocks the ball whereas Porteous misses the ball with his front foot and keeps travelling at speed.
I think if it's at Easter Road he gets sent off because of the crowd reaction. There is no reaction from the crowd when this happened yesterday and neither Cliff nor Pat seemed to notice it on the commentary.
Other factor is linesman at that side is in the other half of the pitch and his view is obstructed so down to the referee alone to see it. The TV pictures don't show his position.
It certainly gives JR and Hibs grounds for feeling hard done by.

Doig doesn’t strike me as the type to feign injury. By his reaction Lundstram made contact with him.

[Allez Hibs]

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Possibly - so what? It has nothing to do with the Porteous incident.

It has everything to do with it and shows the hypocrisy and blatant Old Firm bias in refereeing decisions in this country. The club should be standing up for themselves against it. I'd argue the tackle on Doig is worse than Porteous challenge.

Yesterday was as blatant cheating from the referee as you will ever see.

[Kato]

Weird how the vast majority of mistakes benefit one team in this fixture.

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[Blaster]

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That is unbelievable.

Are there still any Hibs fans who think Porteous should have been sent off after seeing that?

I think they are both red cards

[jeffers]

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Nope. I get the anger about the game yesterday but I don’t see what difference it would make if JR was more vocal about things.

I don’t think the game is corrupt at all. Be interesting to see if our owner or CEO think it is. I doubt it.

Because it would put the spotlight on referees and maybe, just maybe, the next time they think about penalising a Hibs player for a challenge or letting a Hun player off with one, they think again.

[Peevemor]

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It has everything to do with it and shows the hypocrisy and blatant Old Firm bias in refereeing decisions in this country. The club should be standing up for themselves against it. I'd argue the tackle in Doig us worse than Porteous challenge.

Yesterday was as blatant cheating from the referee as you will ever see.

You're wrong.

I asked to my workmates about Porto's challenge - nothing else.

They'd probably say that Lundstram should have been sent off too. That doesn't make Porto's challenge (ie. the one I was posting about) any less rash.

[Allez Hibs]

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I think they are both red cards

Porteous isn't even a foul though. Tackle on Doig is far more dangerous than Porteous. Doig has full control of the ball, Aribo never once has control of the ball.

It's like the movie Minority Report and using that as an interpretation of the rules.

[CMurdoch]

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Doig doesn’t strike me as the type to feign injury. By his reaction Lundstram made contact with him.

Can't tell exactly what happens in the one angle on Hibs TV but Doig definitely cuts short his last stride when he sees the lunge coming.
He is down for a while and when he gets up and limps back he is feeling pain in his left lower leg possibly his ankle.
I think he has been hit a glancing blow by Lundstrom but the angle doesn't show it. I would like to see the angles which cooked the Porteous goose.
The whole point of the rule is to reduce the risk of players getting serious and potentially career ending injuries.
Both incidents are red cards under the rule but this incident has been missed.
I believe VAR would have picked it up.
It would have changed the game. The Nisbet goal wouldn't have happened but neither would the Porteous red card.

[Blaster]

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Porteous isn't even a foul though. Tackle on Doig is far more dangerous than Porteous. Doig has full control of the ball, Aribo never once has control of the ball.

It's like the movie Minority Report and using that as an interpretation of the rules.

That’s your opinion but I disagree. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Or anyone else who disagrees with you. Porteous was excessive force which he didn’t need to do. The Rangers player’s one was worse.

All pundits except McManus plus ex ref Gallagher on sky sports say it was a red. Doesn’t mean we are right of course but have some respect for other peoples opinion

[ancient hibee]

The main point about Sunday is that we lost the game because of our pathetic defending of balls into the box-our bugbear all season. OK Porteous being sent off leaving us a man short meant we were unable to play our usual game of being in control of the ball but other than Macey having a couple of excellent saves Rangers were totally ineffective in trying to create anything in our penalty area. Both goals lost were from simple balls in-Patterson's was just a lob-with the whole defence facing the ball each time . First goal Darren was in the middle of the goal,marking nobody but playing Rangers onside-very poor positioning. Second goal Hanlon sees the ball all the way and gets nowhere near it and nowhere near Morelos. To me we've now lost seven points this season in similar situations(Rangers never looked like scoring and certainly didn't have to work hard for those goals)-even worse was the smallest man on the park at Dundee scoring from a header. Ross says he was annoyed at the goals lost-so he should be but should also be asking himself and his coaches why they haven't got it sorted by now.

[flash]

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Yes, it is tongue in cheek. But I'm sure you get the sentiment. He's following his media training to the letter.

Gies peace.

[Centre Hawf]

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Porteous isn't even a foul though. Tackle on Doig is far more dangerous than Porteous. Doig has full control of the ball, Aribo never once has control of the ball.

It's like the movie Minority Report and using that as an interpretation of the rules.

What does control of the ball have to do with the danger element of a tackle?

[Tyler Durden]

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The main point about Sunday is that we lost the game because of our pathetic defending of balls into the box-our bugbear all season. OK Porteous being sent off leaving us a man short meant we were unable to play our usual game of being in control of the ball but other than Macey having a couple of excellent saves Rangers were totally ineffective in trying to create anything in our penalty area. Both goals lost were from simple balls in-Patterson's was just a lob-with the whole defence facing the ball each time . First goal Darren was in the middle of the goal,marking nobody but playing Rangers onside-very poor positioning. Second goal Hanlon sees the ball all the way and gets nowhere near it and nowhere near Morelos. To me we've now lost seven points this season in similar situations(Rangers never looked like scoring and certainly didn't have to work hard for those goals)-even worse was the smallest man on the park at Dundee scoring from a header. Ross says he was annoyed at the goals lost-so he should be but should also be asking himself and his coaches why they haven't got it sorted by now.

Totally agree with your analysis of the goals.

There's been a lot of talk this year about stopping crosses. When we're a man short it's hard to avoid crosses coming in but on both goals we've got experienced defenders just making poor errors. McGregor with his positioning - either mark the man or play him offside.

Hanlon for the 2nd is just awful defending getting caught under that ball. He doesn't even make it difficult for Morelos.

Difficult to blame the coaching when our 2 most experienced players are guilty of such poor defending.

[J-C]

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The main point about Sunday is that we lost the game because of our pathetic defending of balls into the box-our bugbear all season. OK Porteous being sent off leaving us a man short meant we were unable to play our usual game of being in control of the ball but other than Macey having a couple of excellent saves Rangers were totally ineffective in trying to create anything in our penalty area. Both goals lost were from simple balls in-Patterson's was just a lob-with the whole defence facing the ball each time . First goal Darren was in the middle of the goal,marking nobody but playing Rangers onside-very poor positioning. Second goal Hanlon sees the ball all the way and gets nowhere near it and nowhere near Morelos. To me we've now lost seven points this season in similar situations(Rangers never looked like scoring and certainly didn't have to work hard for those goals)-even worse was the smallest man on the park at Dundee scoring from a header. Ross says he was annoyed at the goals lost-so he should be but should also be asking himself and his coaches why they haven't got it sorted by now.

The 2nd goal Macey had a right mare at, flapping about at a ball 4ft from him.

[Allez Hibs]

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Gies peace.

No, give me peace.

After what happened yesterday, Jack Ross needs an us against the world mentality.

We are clearly a good side and he is manager of a big club - Stand up for it.

[JimBHibees]

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Can't tell exactly what happens in the one angle on Hibs TV but Doig definitely cuts short his last stride when he sees the lunge coming.
He is down for a while and when he gets up and limps back he is feeling pain in his left lower leg possibly his ankle.
I think he has been hit a glancing blow by Lundstrom but the angle doesn't show it. I would like to see the angles which cooked the Porteous goose.
The whole point of the rule is to reduce the risk of players getting serious and potentially career ending injuries.
Both incidents are red cards under the rule but this incident has been missed.
I believe VAR would have picked it up.
It would have changed the game. The Nisbet goal wouldn't have happened but neither would the Porteous red card.

Don't think Var would have done Lundstram as Walsh had a perfect view of the tackle and gave nowt. The more I look at it his view for Porto tackle was a poor one imo from behind and not clear.

[JimBHibees]

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The 2nd goal Macey had a right mare at, flapping about at a ball 4ft from him.

It is a shocker straight at his left hand and fumbles it in being right on the line wouldn't have helped either. Really should have saved that.

[JimBHibees]

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Totally agree with your analysis of the goals.

There's been a lot of talk this year about stopping crosses. When we're a man short it's hard to avoid crosses coming in but on both goals we've got experienced defenders just making poor errors. McGregor with his positioning - either mark the man or play him offside.

Hanlon for the 2nd is just awful defending getting caught under that ball. He doesn't even make it difficult for Morelos.

Difficult to blame the coaching when our 2 most experienced players are guilty of such poor defending.

Yes we played three centre backs yesterday and lost two poor goals to free headers in the box criminal to be honest ten men or not.

[B.H.F.C]

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The 2nd goal Macey had a right mare at, flapping about at a ball 4ft from him.

I kind of thought he should have done better with the winner. But I’ve not really seen it back properly and it’s all been a bit overlooked in amongst the sending off.

[Cod Boy]

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The main point about Sunday is that we lost the game because of our pathetic defending of balls into the box-our bugbear all season. OK Porteous being sent off leaving us a man short meant we were unable to play our usual game of being in control of the ball but other than Macey having a couple of excellent saves Rangers were totally ineffective in trying to create anything in our penalty area. Both goals lost were from simple balls in-Patterson's was just a lob-with the whole defence facing the ball each time . First goal Darren was in the middle of the goal,marking nobody but playing Rangers onside-very poor positioning. Second goal Hanlon sees the ball all the way and gets nowhere near it and nowhere near Morelos. To me we've now lost seven points this season in similar situations(Rangers never looked like scoring and certainly didn't have to work hard for those goals)-even worse was the smallest man on the park at Dundee scoring from a header. Ross says he was annoyed at the goals lost-so he should be but should also be asking himself and his coaches why they haven't got it sorted by now.

Although unavailable yesterday Ross brought in what is ment to be a highly rated centre half but hasent had any game time

[wookie70]

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Have you got another angle of the tackle? If you don’t, how can you tell his studs aren’t up???

Why would that matter. He is jumping in, to me the most obvious way of being out of control as you can't change direction till you land. He is travelling quickly, Doig is very close to the point of contact and imo that tackle is far more likely to endanger the opponent than Porteous' was.

The big difference is the colour of top and the cheat that is the referee. How can anyone see those two tackles and still think it is incompetence. The Thes get point after point from decisions that are not even close to being marginal. The offside goal they got following a corner a few games back is one of the worst decisions I have ever seen and nothing is made of it. They essentially start the league 5-10 points ahead given some of the ordering offs they survive and offside goals they are allowed. You can tell the level of corruption the second they play without the help of a Scottish Official. The whole league is set up so they can win it and we wonder why it is hard to get good TV deals

[BILLYHIBS]

HIBS have lodged an appeal re Porto’s sending off

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[Smartie]

The more I see it the harder I find it to make up my mind.

Some angles it looks totally innocuous, one angle it looks horrific.

It seems that more than ever you pick an opinion then compile the evidence to back it up and there is evidence with that one to back up either opinion.

I reckon it would be possible to take an obvious, clear as day, good, honest, proper, non foul tackle and catch it at an angle that makes it look bad. To tackle you sometimes have to leave the ground, you have to accelerate towards the ball, sometimes you get it cleanly and sometimes you don't. I've seen worse tackles than that one not even given a foul against and had a foul not been given I reckon the huns would have been over it within about 20 seconds. It wouldn't have been a "should it have been" controversy.

It was a tackle in a Rangers Hibs game by a Hibs player so of course it was a red card. I'm not really any closer to making up my mind whether it should have been or not.

[ian cruise]

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JR sitting on the fence for the sake of his own career to keep open a future job offer from the Old Firm. That's my reading of his comments.

He'll be fuming that Hibs have appealed then. No doubt marched straight to Ron's office letting him know the club have jeopardised his future job opportunities and it is ruining all the good work his media training accomplished.

[Allez Hibs]

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He'll be fuming that Hibs have appealed then. No doubt marched straight to Ron's office letting him know the club have jeopardised his future job opportunities and it is ruining all the good work his media training accomplished.

I think appealing the red card is the least the club can do and what the fans would expect.