Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

***Rocky*** · 13-09-2021 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

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What I said I think is based on what their proposal stated as the key intention of the new statute?

I quoted the government's intended aim, as per their own published paper.

I'm not sure what you think you're actually debating here?

I'm afraid I can't help you then, sorry.

***superfurryhibby*** · 13-09-2021 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rocky

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I'm afraid I can't help you then, sorry.

Bizarre.

***Bristolhibby*** · 13-09-2021 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Grieves

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Not quite...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58542140

PM: We want to avoid vaccine passports if possible
Boris Johnson has also been asked whether vaccine passports could be used if Covid infections rates and deaths continue to rise.

The prime minister again says he will be "setting it all out tomorrow".

However, he adds: "What we want to do is avoid vaccine passports, if we possibly can.

"That's the course we're on but I think you've got to be prudent and you've got to keep things in reserve in case things change."

There had been plans to make proof of full vaccination mandatory to access nightclubs and large events in England from the end of September - but on Sunday the health secretary said this would not go ahead.

If Johnson says he might or might not do something. That’s cast iron guarantee for it’s happening. Usually 4 to 6 weeks too late.

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***Bristolhibby*** · 13-09-2021 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

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If anyone remember the commonwealth games in Glasgow, they set up cordon around the venues to allow for tickets to be checked, surely similar could work on the approach to Easter Road?!

This was also the case at the recent Euros. Albeit with a much smaller crowd.

It can be done, but major logistics (fences, etc) getting Hampden “ready” for its four games.

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**jgl07** · 13-09-2021 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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As JimBHibees has said, the passport should be mapped to a season ticket. That would then allow approved season tickets and would be pretty simple. This would also need a separate queue and process for walk ups though which would no doubt be a slower queue checking both QR Codes and tickets.

And who will be expected to provide (and pay for) the staff to do this? Chacking 15,000 people at Easter Road

I still haven't got an online proof of vaccination after around three months. People in England have had those for months, yet they have backed off imposing vaccine passports.

It's going to be fun trying to get into Ibrox on 3rd October! and the Dundee United match at Easter Road two weeks later. Will we have to bring the pieces of paper showing the 'proof of vaccination'?

I smell a shambles coming up or else the clubs will play lip service to the rules.

***tamig*** · 13-09-2021 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58536199

Doncaster saying spot checks would be the only way to go. What would happen to someone who got into the game but doesn't have a vaccine certificate? Would it be the classed same as breaking lockdown restrictions?

He also told us it would be armageddon when newhun had to start from the bottom. And aramgeddon again when Covid shut the game down last year.

***JimBHibees*** · 13-09-2021 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by jgl07

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And who will be expected to provide (and pay for) the staff to do this? Chacking 15,000 people at Easter Road

I still haven't got an online proof of vaccination after around three months. People in England have had those for months, yet they have backed off imposing vaccine passports.

It's going to be fun trying to get into Ibrox on 3rd October! and the Dundee United match at Easter Road two weeks later. Will we have to bring the pieces of paper showing the 'proof of vaccination'?

I smell a shambles coming up or else the clubs will play lip service to the rules.

You can download it to your phone

***CentreLine*** · 13-09-2021 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

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Personally speaking I only posted what I did as someone posted an article which someone couldn't read due to a paywall.

And very much appreciated SDG. Really interesting article 👍🏻

***tamig*** · 13-09-2021 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by jgl07

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And who will be expected to provide (and pay for) the staff to do this? Chacking 15,000 people at Easter Road

I still haven't got an online proof of vaccination after around three months. People in England have had those for months, yet they have backed off imposing vaccine passports.

It's going to be fun trying to get into Ibrox on 3rd October! and the Dundee United match at Easter Road two weeks later. Will we have to bring the pieces of paper showing the 'proof of vaccination'?

I smell a shambles coming up or else the clubs will play lip service to the rules.

Get on here and you’ll have it in a couple of minutes -

https://www.nhsinform.scot/covid-19-...ination-status

***CentreLine*** · 13-09-2021 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Peevemor

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I agree it would be ideal, but there's also the problem of people letting pals use their STs. I've also read countless times on here about people having different problems scanning tickets and linking STs & Covid passes would mean modifying software + additional data input, ie. 2 potential cock-ups.

Not really that difficult. How about something along these lines:

A significant number of ST holders live close enough to ER to attend at the ticket office with their proof in advance of their next game. Having done that their ST will be authorised and that’s it.
Yes some people will lend their ticket to others. There will always be infected people in the ground, it’s just a fact if life. However, it’s likely the borrower will be vaccinated. Inevitably there will be a small number of people not but the threat is significantly reduced regardless. It’s definitely more efficient than spot checks.

Other ST holders, unable to visit the ticket office in advance, would have to arrive early enough at their first visit to the ground to provide their “proof” and their ticket would then be similarly authorised.

Finally, the walk-up ticket buyer has to be on the database. As each purchase tickets, on the first occasion, they must provide their proof. After that their ticket purchases are authorised.

QR codes would be scanned on that first occasion and that would flag up any attempted duplication meaning multiple use becomes impossible.

Now that’s right off the cuff. A little additional thought to iron out issues and it can’t be that difficult to make workable.

***wookie70*** · 13-09-2021 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by CentreLine

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Not really that difficult. How about something along these lines:

A significant number of ST holders live close enough to ER to attend at the ticket office with their proof in advance of their next game. Having done that their ST will be authorised and that’s it.
Yes some people will lend their ticket to others. There will always be infected people in the ground, it’s just a fact if life. However, it’s likely the borrower will be vaccinated. Inevitably there will be a small number of people not but the threat is significantly reduced regardless. It’s definitely more efficient than spot checks.

Other ST holders, unable to visit the ticket office in advance, would have to arrive early enough at their first visit to the ground to provide their “proof” and their ticket would then be similarly authorised.

Finally, the walk-up ticket buyer has to be on the database. As each purchase tickets, on the first occasion, they must provide their proof. After that their ticket purchases are authorised.

QR codes would be scanned on that first occasion and that would flag up any attempted duplication meaning multiple use becomes impossible.

Now that’s right off the cuff. A little additional thought to iron out issues and it can’t be that difficult to make workable.

Are Hibs databases set up to deal with medical information with the correct security and disposal regimes. How much will it cost to add that into the data base and can it be done by the steward when fans don't have the time to visit the TO. Does it need doing once by steward or every time etc etc.

I doubt there will be any system put in place like the one you suggest. If it is every ticket getting swiped I hope it is robust and every name on a ticket is cross referenced with the passport. No point doing it otherwise, glad I go to ER early for games

**hibbysam** · 13-09-2021 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by wookie70

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Are Hibs databases set up to deal with medical information with the correct security and disposal regimes. How much will it cost to add that into the data base and can it be done by the steward when fans don't have the time to visit the TO. Does it need doing once by steward or every time etc etc.

I doubt there will be any system put in place like the one you suggest. If it is every ticket getting swiped I hope it is robust and every name on a ticket is cross referenced with the passport. No point doing it otherwise, glad I go to ER early for games

Looks like it’s going to be ‘spot checks’ after Doncaster said we can do that. Can’t see it making any difference if that’s the case, checking every 4/5 tickets I’d expect most will take that chance. Get turned away from one you turn up at the next turnstile, and so on until you don’t get checked. Only way to minimise spread is through PCR but we don’t have that infrastructure so it’ll never stop. Be interesting to see how nearly 70k at murrayfield or 60k at parkhead manage (when it’s already a nightmare for home supporters to get into there).

***CentreLine*** · 14-09-2021 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by wookie70

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Are Hibs databases set up to deal with medical information with the correct security and disposal regimes. How much will it cost to add that into the data base and can it be done by the steward when fans don't have the time to visit the TO. Does it need doing once by steward or every time etc etc.

I doubt there will be any system put in place like the one you suggest. If it is every ticket getting swiped I hope it is robust and every name on a ticket is cross referenced with the passport. No point doing it otherwise, glad I go to ER early for games

Doesn’t need to be. Simply authorised or not. I’m pretty sure it’s already set up for that.
Lock all cards and unlock after proof of vaccine x2. Medical evidence inferred but not recorded.
I’ve no idea what any reader records to but I’d have thought it was a government record rather than individual company. That being the case there would be no chance of multiples ticket application fraud but also no medical information held by the club.

***wookie70*** · 14-09-2021 09:17 AM

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Doesn’t need to be. Simply authorised or not. I’m pretty sure it’s already set up for that.
Lock all cards and unlock after proof of vaccine x2. Medical evidence inferred but not recorded.
I’ve no idea what any reader records to but I’d have thought it was a government record rather than individual company. That being the case there would be no chance of multiples ticket application fraud but also no medical information held by the club.

Vaccine passports have sell by dates, exemptions may not. A database where authorisation was given or not on one a single basis would surely need another column. You would have to say why a ticket was locked and if it is to do with vaccines that may be considered medical information. I'd be very surprised if it is something the club can do without any work, might not be much work and might not be deemed to be medical information and if not then hope it can be a single check.

***CentreLine*** · 14-09-2021 11:02 AM

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Vaccine passports have sell by dates, exemptions may not. A database where authorisation was given or not on one a single basis would surely need another column. You would have to say why a ticket was locked and if it is to do with vaccines that may be considered medical information. I'd be very surprised if it is something the club can do without any work, might not be much work and might not be deemed to be medical information and if not then hope it can be a single check.

Yeh, that’s the point I’m making. It seems to me that not a lot of work and a bit of lateral thinking and this would not be that difficult. The club retain ownership and control of our STs so locking a card until a requirement was met, you would think, would not be all that difficult.

***wookie70*** · 14-09-2021 11:04 AM

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Yeh, that’s the point I’m making. It seems to me that not a lot of work and a bit of lateral thinking and this would not be that difficult. The club retain ownership and control of our STs so locking a card until a requirement was met, you would think, would not be all that difficult.

And the point I am making is, you would think, isn't the same as you know. I obviously extend that to myself as I don't know for sure but I get the feeling it won't be as simple as supporters are suggesting. If it is then the club should crack on and make people's lives a tiny bit easier.

***wookie70*** · 14-09-2021 11:47 AM

Javid announces booster programme for Vaccines based on same timetable as first rollout and taking place six months from second vaccine. Basically saying vaccines have a reduced effectiveness against transmission and the symptoms of Covid. How will that work for Passports. I suspect this won't make a difference as this is about compliance first and foremost. I would view today's announcement to mean that everyone has to be double jagged and the second the second jag is six months out of date then the passport is out of date.

The mixing of the vaccines also brings survey that related to Pfizer more into play in terms of those with natural antibodies perhaps having less chance of transmitting the virus.

**Blaster** · 14-09-2021 11:52 AM

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Javid announces booster programme for Vaccines based on same timetable as first rollout and taking place six months from second vaccine. Basically saying vaccines have a reduced effectiveness against transmission and the symptoms of Covid. How will that work for Passports. I suspect this won't make a difference as this is about compliance first and foremost. I would view today's announcement to mean that everyone has to be double jagged and the second the second jag is six months out of date then the passport is out of date.

The mixing of the vaccines also brings survey that related to Pfizer more into play in terms of those with natural antibodies perhaps having less chance of transmitting the virus.

He summarised the details from JCVI earlier which said there appeared to be a slight decrease in the effectiveness after 6 months. Not huge but makes a reasonable difference in the priority groups who are most at risk.

More a precautionary measure over the winter period for those most at risk.

**ancient hibee** · 14-09-2021 02:03 PM

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Javid announces booster programme for Vaccines based on same timetable as first rollout and taking place six months from second vaccine. Basically saying vaccines have a reduced effectiveness against transmission and the symptoms of Covid. How will that work for Passports. I suspect this won't make a difference as this is about compliance first and foremost. I would view today's announcement to mean that everyone has to be double jagged and the second the second jag is six months out of date then the passport is out of date.

The mixing of the vaccines also brings survey that related to Pfizer more into play in terms of those with natural antibodies perhaps having less chance of transmitting the virus.

You would be wrong because the booster jag will not be for everyone double jagged.

***jacomo*** · 14-09-2021 02:10 PM

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You would be wrong because the booster jag will not be for everyone double jagged.

Boosters for under 50s only if they are classed as belonging to a vulnerable group or work in a healthcare setting. I think.

Tbh I find Javid’s voice so grating that I switched off while he was talking.

***AugustaHibs*** · 14-09-2021 03:17 PM

Anyone vaccinated in England who plans to come up to Easter road after October 1st will currently not be able to, as the passport only includes people vaccinated in Scotland

***Moulin Yarns*** · 14-09-2021 03:34 PM

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Anyone vaccinated in England who plans to come up to Easter road after October 1st will currently not be able to, as the passport only includes people vaccinated in Scotland

Because the UK government decided not to use them.

So much for the 4 Nations covid passports!!

***AugustaHibs*** · 14-09-2021 03:35 PM

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Because the UK government decided not to use them.

So you believe this is a U.K. government issue?

***Moulin Yarns*** · 14-09-2021 03:40 PM

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So you believe this is a U.K. government issue?

My vaccine passport has the NHS logo for all 4 home nations. One decides this week not to go ahead then the residents of that nation no longer have covid passports.

***AugustaHibs*** · 14-09-2021 03:43 PM

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My vaccine passport has the NHS logo for all 4 home nations. One decides this week not to go ahead then the residents of that nation no longer have covid passports.

Absolutely ridiculous excluding people from other countries due to where they got vaccinated.

There were health boards in Scotland who were advising people to cross the border to get vaccinated.

It’s a ridiculous decision from scot gov but with the way they are acting regarding the Union I can’t say I’m surprised.

(Coming from someone who is a ‘Yes’ voter)

***AugustaHibs*** · 14-09-2021 03:47 PM

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LES RUGGIERO - I’m a gimp and have low self-esteem

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**~~Peevemor~~** · 14-09-2021 03:48 PM

Can we keep this one for a while? Please?

**Tambo** · 14-09-2021 03:48 PM

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Anyone vaccinated in England who plans to come up to Easter road after October 1st will currently not be able to, as the passport only includes people vaccinated in Scotland

Bit disappointed as I like to make at least one game a month at home and coming up for the first time next week for St Johnstone but I understand this announcement.

Can I ask where you seen this news please?