Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Jones28]

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I had never heard of this Godley woman until this all kicked off, is she just like a female Frankie Boyle?

Do not besmirch the good name of Frankie Boyle in such a way.

[Stairway 2 7]

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For it to be policed correctly though you’d need to check ID. Peevemor has said already that’s not how it works elsewhere, but then that results in the concept being flawed as anyone could use anyone’s vaccine passport unless the person checking knows the user personally.

Just check the name on the season ticket next to the name on the passport. They already print the name if you buy a ticket they will do the same for everyone over 18 in your party

[hibbysam]

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Just check the name on the season ticket next to the name on the passport. They already print the name if you buy a ticket they will do the same for everyone over 18 in your party

Your name isn’t on a digital ticket - just the CRO, so that would need to change for starters. I’d also suggest they probably don’t have the time to check everyone’s season tickets + passport to allow everyone in. You’d be there for hours at a full house.

[Allant1981]

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Your name isn’t on a digital ticket - just the CRO, so that would need to change for starters. I’d also suggest they probably don’t have the time to check everyone’s season tickets + passport to allow everyone in. You’d be there for hours at a full house.

Its on the details bit on mine

[Stairway 2 7]

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Your name isn’t on a digital ticket - just the CRO, so that would need to change for starters. I’d also suggest they probably don’t have the time to check everyone’s season tickets + passport to allow everyone in. You’d be there for hours at a full house.

Peevmore said it was fine at a festival in France and I'm sre they don't wait hours to get into psg games. But even checking every couple should be enough of a deterrent

[hibbysam]

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Its on the details bit on mine

On season tickets it is, but not on single tickets - or wasn’t for the European games anyway. Away tickets for example don’t have names printed on them.

[hibbysam]

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Peevmore said it was fine at a festival in France and I'm sre they don't wait hours to get into psg games. But even checking every couple should be enough of a deterrent

They don’t check ID though. If it’s to be done properly then it would need verified.

[Allant1981]

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On season tickets it is, but not on single tickets - or wasn’t for the European games anyway. Away tickets for example don’t have names printed on them.

Sorry presumed you were talking about a season ticket

[Stairway 2 7]

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On season tickets it is, but not on single tickets - or wasn’t for the European games anyway. Away tickets for example don’t have names printed on them.

I've had it printed on ticket maybe depends on how you buy it, also had it on away tickets. But its easily changed to make sure it happens all the time now. And no you don't necessarily need Id just ticket and vaccine passport, the same as the trial events

[Eyrie]

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They don’t check ID though. If it’s to be done properly then it would need verified.

Agreed, or an unvaccinated person could simply borrow the pdf of a vaccinated person and gain entry.

If we're standing in a queue to get through the turnstiles then it's very easy to show a steward proof of vaccination and matching proof of ID without causing any delay. The only issues will be caused by people who aren't ready or who want to make a fuss.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Agreed, or an unvaccinated person could simply borrow the pdf of a vaccinated person and gain entry.

If we're standing in a queue to get through the turnstiles then it's very easy to show a steward proof of vaccination and matching proof of ID without causing any delay. The only issues will be caused by people who aren't ready or who want to make a fuss.

At the east and west stand there is an opportunity to do the check as you go through the gates leading to the back of the stand.

Just my thoughts.

[hibbysam]

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I've had it printed on ticket maybe depends on how you buy it, also had it on away tickets. But its easily changed to make sure it happens all the time now. And no you don't necessarily need Id just ticket and vaccine passport, the same as the trial events

Is it easily changed? I thought tickets were printed by the home side and sent to the away side to sell, hence why you can’t get digital away tickets yet? Not sure how you could then have names printed on them.

Don’t need ID if the name is on the ticket, of course.

[hibbysam]

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The thread on the PM board explains it all, I went on the NHS site and downloaded my vaccination certificate to my phone. All it shows is name and details of the dates of my vaccinations with two scannable codes, no other details are shown.

Not sure which certificate you have, but the downloadable one from NHS inform has name, address in full, date of birth, the full works.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Not sure which certificate you have, but the downloadable one from NHS inform has name, address in full, date of birth, the full works.

It also has the logos of all 4 UK NHS so is a 4 Nations compatible vaccine passport.

Fwiw, having the date of birth can help anyone checking to see if the person is at least a similar age as the holder.

[wookie70]

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Is it easily changed? I thought tickets were printed by the home side and sent to the away side to sell, hence why you can’t get digital away tickets yet? Not sure how you could then have names printed on them.

Don’t need ID if the name is on the ticket, of course.

That will please anyone who has a mate with a vaccine passport who doesn't like football and who isn't a ST holder or is and goes to away games. Just get them to get your ticket and borrow their passport, piece of pee. The system will be so simple to get round it will be like gig tickets in the 80s. All you needed was a friendly reprographics department and the correctish colour of paper and everyone got in with one ticket.

For non St tickets unless a photo ID is involved in the process it is so simple to work around that it is fairly pointless.

[hibbysam]

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That will please anyone who has a mate with a vaccine passport who doesn't like football and who isn't a ST holder or is and goes to away games. Just get them to get your ticket and borrow their passport, piece of pee. The system will be so simple to get round it will be like gig tickets in the 80s. All you needed was a friendly reprographics department and the correctish colour of paper and everyone got in with one ticket.

For non St tickets unless a photo ID is involved in the process it is so simple to work around that it is fairly pointless.

All for the sake of between 8-15% of people who haven’t been vaccinated, when the majority of those wouldn’t be attending an event of >10k anyway I’d presume.

[wookie70]

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It also has the logos of all 4 UK NHS so is a 4 Nations compatible vaccine passport.

Fwiw, having the date of birth can help anyone checking to see if the person is at least a similar age as the holder.

Does that mean the two day passport someone mentioned, from NHS England, would work. I think I read you get one of those with a negative test. Hope they bring this in as my son will not be able to go to the Israel game as he got Covid while waiting for his second vaccination. So glad he isn't a season ticket holder as that would have been a large amount of cash gone rather than just 20 quid.

He has done everything that has been asked of him by Government and is now having part of his freedom taken away. It will be interesting to see if he gets the second vaccine given the way Government have treated him.

[wookie70]

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All for the sake of between 8-15% of people who haven’t been vaccinated, when the majority of those wouldn’t be attending an event of >10k anyway I’d presume.

Yep, totally and utterly pointless

[calumhibee1]

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Does that mean the two day passport someone mentioned, from NHS England, would work. I think I read you get one of those with a negative test. Hope they bring this in as my son will not be able to go to the Israel game as he got Covid while waiting for his second vaccination. So glad he isn't a season ticket holder as that would have been a large amount of cash gone rather than just 20 quid.

He has done everything that has been asked of him by Government and is now having part of his freedom taken away. It will be interesting to see if he gets the second vaccine given the way Government have treated him.

Why would he not get the second vaccine?

[hibbysam]

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Does that mean the two day passport someone mentioned, from NHS England, would work. I think I read you get one of those with a negative test. Hope they bring this in as my son will not be able to go to the Israel game as he got Covid while waiting for his second vaccination. So glad he isn't a season ticket holder as that would have been a large amount of cash gone rather than just 20 quid.

He has done everything that has been asked of him by Government and is now having part of his freedom taken away. It will be interesting to see if he gets the second vaccine given the way Government have treated him.

Think that was Peevmore that mentioned that which IIRC is France.

[Peevemor]

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That will please anyone who has a mate with a vaccine passport who doesn't like football and who isn't a ST holder or is and goes to away games. Just get them to get your ticket and borrow their passport, piece of pee. The system will be so simple to get round it will be like gig tickets in the 80s. All you needed was a friendly reprographics department and the correctish colour of paper and everyone got in with one ticket.

For non St tickets unless a photo ID is involved in the process it is so simple to work around that it is fairly pointless.

You're saying it's pointless because you want to see it that way.

If there's the risk of a heavy fine for either borrowing or loaning a Covid passport then it won't be the free-for-all that you're suggesting.

[calumhibee1]

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You're saying it's pointless because you want to see it that way.

If there's the risk of a heavy fine for either borrowing or loaning a Covid passport then it won't be the free-for-all that you're suggesting.

Yup. The idea that we may as well not bother because some folk will attempt to get round it is laughable.

Pretty much every rule/law will have people not follow it/break it. It doesn’t make them pointless in the slightest.

[wookie70]

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Why would he not get the second vaccine?

He might decide his natural immunity is the protection he needs and that as he has lost his freedom for doing nothing wrong he may view it as sticking two fingers up at a government that stuck them up to him. He is a typically compliant youth(excepting when I want hi to do something of course) though who likes to go out with his mates so I expect he will get it. My daughter, who is learning disabled, got a needle thrust into her arm at school the other day. No chat with us to discuss whether she understood the plusses and pitfalls(however small). Perhaps Sturgeon will have upped the game with from coercion to force by them

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I got mine yesterday and thats pretty much it, name, date when i got the 1st vaccine and what vaccine it was and then at the bottom the same info about the 2nd vaccine, no big deal

make this a sticky :)

[hibbysam]

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Yup. The idea that we may as well not bother because some folk will attempt to get round it is laughable.

Pretty much every rule/law will have people not follow it/break it. It doesn’t make them pointless in the slightest.

It’s pointless because of the numbers involved IMO. I expect the majority of those who have had 1 jab to get their second. That would leave around 9% of over 18s not fully vaccinated. I’d expect a very small % of that to be attending a large scale event >10k. Of that small % the chances of them having and passing the virus on is even smaller again.

We are talking tiny numbers here for such a big operational change for clubs etc.

That to me is pointless.

[calumhibee1]

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He might decide his natural immunity is the protection he needs and that as he has lost his freedom for doing nothing wrong he may view it as sticking two fingers up at a government that stuck them up to him. He is a typically compliant youth(excepting when I want hi to do something of course) though who likes to go out with his mates so I expect he will get it. My daughter, who is learning disabled, got a needle thrust into her arm at school the other day. No chat with us to discuss whether she understood the plusses and pitfalls(however small). Perhaps Sturgeon will have upped the game with from coercion to force by them

It sounds like he’s sensible enough to probably realise that whilst it’s not an ideal situation that it’s just worked out a bit **** for him and that he’ll do the right thing in the long run which will help all concerned. He’ll be able to crack on with the things he enjoys and he’ll carry on protecting his family, friends and everyone he comes into contact with.

[J-C]

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Not sure which certificate you have, but the downloadable one from NHS inform has name, address in full, date of birth, the full works.

Sorry, I meant no other medical data or history, just as you said full details of individual person, if you have that plus ID it's you, there should be no hassle letting anyone into any event, very simple check.

[calumhibee1]

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It’s pointless because of the numbers involved IMO. I expect the majority of those who have had 1 jab to get their second. That would leave around 9% of over 18s not fully vaccinated. I’d expect a very small % of that to be attending a large scale event >10k. Of that small % the chances of them having and passing the virus on is even smaller again.

We are talking tiny numbers here for such a big operational change for clubs etc.

That to me is pointless.

Conversely, I’d expect a fairly large percentage of the unvaxxed to be planning on going to the football. There’s only 9% of the eligible population unvaxxed but I’d be surprised if it’s not a lot more than 9% of the overall crowd at a football match.

The demographics of a football crowd are overwhelmingly men, a lot of them in the age groups that have lower uptake. On top of that, football fans I would suggest are proportionately more likely to be anti establishment and for want of a better way to describe it, probably carry more than our fair share of idiots.

If you’re looking for a place where the unvaxxed are going to congregate then imo football will be one of the highest proportionately.

[Peevemor]

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It’s pointless because of the numbers involved IMO. I expect the majority of those who have had 1 jab to get their second. That would leave around 9% of over 18s not fully vaccinated. I’d expect a very small % of that to be attending a large scale event >10k. Of that small % the chances of them having and passing the virus on is even smaller again.

We are talking tiny numbers here for such a big operational change for clubs etc.

That to me is pointless.

In theory everyone in attendance could be part of the remaining 9%

It could be that your 9% might rise to 30 or 40% of those attending certain matches.

For me the pass system would make more sense if it was for negative tests as well as vaccinations, but the idea remains good.

[hibbysam]

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Conversely, I’d expect a fairly large percentage of the unvaxxed to be planning on going to the football.

The demographics of a football crowd are overwhelmingly men, a lot of them in the age groups that have lower uptake. On top of that, football fans I would suggest are proportionately more likely to be anti establishment and for want of a better way to describe it, probably carry more than our fair share of idiots.

If you’re looking for a place where the unvaxxed are going to congregate then imo football will be one of the highest proportionately.

Not sure I’d agree with that, just going by the group I know and would attend games with and we’re all in that age bracket and all double jabbed. Tie all that with people who are, allegedly, better immunised due to having Delta strain and IMO there’s not a huge number of people this effects.