Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[hibee-boys]

I had Covid at New Year, have never had any health issues in my life, keep fit/active, don’t smoke and average weight for my height. I was incredibly unwell to the point where I had to go into hospital for oxygen early in the morning one night, scary experience. This was pre-vaccine, a number of my mates have had Covid since being vaccinated, it’s hardly affected them, and there’s been too many for that to be a coincidence. I was down getting vaccinated as soon as I could and question the sanity of people of won’t. No issue with the Covid passport at all, if it means anyone attending games who is at greater risk than me, feels more comfortable coming back then that’s a good enough reason for me.

[hibbysam]

This may have been covered in here already, apologies if so.

Another confusion of mine are the scientific data regarding immunity from catching Covid v immunity from the vaccine. The report I’ve read says if you’ve had Covid your far more immune to it than someone who has simply had the vaccine. If this is true, then we are going to be stopping someone who’s had Covid, but not the vaccine, and who’s tested negative from going to these events, but allowing someone who’s never had it previously, but been vaccinated, and may be carrying it now to attend?

How backwards does that sound?

Would be good to know how many unvaxed haven’t had it, that’s the only number we should be concerned about given the report I’ve seen. And with the huge numbers already vaccinated then herd immunity in the rest shouldn’t be that dangerous.

In my (daft) opinion, testing for events was the way forward, not vaccination status. If you’ve not got it you can’t pass it. If you’ve been vaxed you can still get it and pass it (although greatly reduced likelihood).

[Allant1981]

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seriously, why on earth do some think there's going to be anything other than proof of vaccinations on the vaccine certificate/QR code....just WHY ?

I got mine yesterday and thats pretty much it, name, date when i got the 1st vaccine and what vaccine it was and then at the bottom the same info about the 2nd vaccine, no big deal

[blackpoolhibs]

I had never heard of this Godley woman until this all kicked off, is she just like a female Frankie Boyle?

[greenginger]

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This may have been covered in here already, apologies if so.

Another confusion of mine are the scientific data regarding immunity from catching Covid v immunity from the vaccine. The report I’ve read says if you’ve had Covid your far more immune to it than someone who has simply had the vaccine. If this is true, then we are going to be stopping someone who’s had Covid, but not the vaccine, and who’s tested negative from going to these events, but allowing someone who’s never had it previously, but been vaccinated, and may be carrying it now to attend?

How backwards does that sound?

Would be good to know how many unvaxed haven’t had it, that’s the only number we should be concerned about given the report I’ve seen. And with the huge numbers already vaccinated then herd immunity in the rest shouldn’t be that dangerous.

In my (daft) opinion, testing for events was the way forward, not vaccination status. If you’ve not got it you can’t pass it. If you’ve been vaxed you can still get it and pass it (although greatly reduced likelihood).

I dont think we've got the capacity to properly test 100,000 plus football fans before a Saturday of fixtures.

We could all be asked to do our own lateral flow tests, but that would rely on us doing them properly and being honest.

Besides, we are already being asked to take these tests a couple of times a week.

[Ronniekirk]

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It still is the most effective way. 50K at a fitba match is madness when you think about it. Regardless of passport and vaccines just returning society to open all hours was always going to bring about more peaks in transmission and hospital admissions. The government basically weigh money against death and often choose money

One of the few times Boris has been honest was when he said by opening up society again we may have to Lives with daily deaths of between 100 and 200 people daily and Thats what we are seeing
Was 204 one day
People wanted freedoms back and there is a price to be paid for that
There seems to be a political consensus just now to carry on as is and wait until nhs is overwhelmed agsin before doing anything ( vaccine certificates being the exception ) but they are a few weeks away


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[calumhibee1]

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While 13x may be true, it’s a bit of a stretch if you put that stat out alone considering it’s 13x of next to nothing.

It’s not really next to nothing. U.K. wide there’ll be millions of people fall into that age group.

If we say 5m are in that age group U.K. wide then 0.1% means potentially 5k deaths. 1.3% means potentially 65k deaths. Small percentages are still big numbers when it comes to Covid.

[green day]

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I had never heard of this Godley woman until this all kicked off, is she just like a female Frankie Boyle?

Not in Frankie Boyles league imo.

She gets rave reviews up here, partly due to her twitter voiceovers but I think part of that is just her "professional glaswegianism" which gets gales of laughter in the Fringe etc.

When she has been on the tv with other pretty sharp comedians she doesnt look quite as good.

[CapitalGreen]

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This may have been covered in here already, apologies if so.

Another confusion of mine are the scientific data regarding immunity from catching Covid v immunity from the vaccine. The report I’ve read says if you’ve had Covid your far more immune to it than someone who has simply had the vaccine. If this is true, then we are going to be stopping someone who’s had Covid, but not the vaccine, and who’s tested negative from going to these events, but allowing someone who’s never had it previously, but been vaccinated, and may be carrying it now to attend?

How backwards does that sound?

Would be good to know how many unvaxed haven’t had it, that’s the only number we should be concerned about given the report I’ve seen. And with the huge numbers already vaccinated then herd immunity in the rest shouldn’t be that dangerous.

In my (daft) opinion, testing for events was the way forward, not vaccination status. If you’ve not got it you can’t pass it. If you’ve been vaxed you can still get it and pass it (although greatly reduced likelihood).

That’s been discussed a few pages back. It relates to people who have had the Delta variant only and as there is no simple way for people who are post-Covid infection to know what variant they had, it’s not really feasible to include them with the vaccinated cohort. The best way for us to get out of this is for everyone to get vaccinated, people looking for shortcuts or loopholes is only going to delay us further.

[hibbysam]

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It’s not really next to nothing. U.K. wide there’ll be millions of people fall into that age group.

If we say 5m are in that age group U.K. wide then 0.1% means potentially 5k deaths. 1.3% means potentially 65k deaths. Small percentages are still big numbers when it comes to Covid.

It’s as a % of the cases, not the people. It was over a 4 week period, no chance did we have 70k deaths in that age bracket alone in the space of a month.

Those small %’s are just that, very small numbers.

[hibbysam]

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That’s been discussed a few pages back. It relates to people who have had the Delta variant only and as there is no simple way for people who are post-Covid infection to know what variant they had, it’s not really feasible to include them with the vaccinated cohort. The best way for us to get out of this is for everyone to get vaccinated, people looking for shortcuts or loopholes is only going to delay us further.

Anyone that’s had Covid for the past 4/5 months is basically guaranteed to have had the delta variant. Anyone that gets it from now on likewise therefore getting Covid now will make them more immune than vaccination of that study is correct.

[calumhibee1]

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It’s as a % of the cases, not the people. It was over a 4 week period, no chance did we have 70k deaths in that age bracket alone in the space of a month.

Those small %’s are just that, very small numbers.

I didn’t realise it was over a 4 week period, apologies.

With regards to it being cases though, I’d be surprised if by the time this is over if we’ve not all had COVID at some point, vaxxed or not. I don’t think many, if any, will manage to avoid it so the numbers will probably be fairly reflective over the full term of COVID.

[calumhibee1]

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Anyone that’s had Covid for the past 4/5 months is basically guaranteed to have had the delta variant. Anyone that gets it from now on likewise therefore getting Covid now will make them more immune than vaccination of that study is correct.

I was wondering that the other day, what has happened to the other variants?

Essentially they’re a totally different thing. They must still be about and spreading as they would have with or without the delta variant I would have thought? I’m sure the Kent variant for example hasn’t turned round and went ah **** this, we’re no as good as that Delta one, let’s call it a day

[hibbysam]

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I didn’t realise it was over a 4 week period, apologies.

With regards to it being cases though, I’d be surprised if by the time this is over if we’ve not all had COVID at some point, vaxxed or not. I don’t think many, if any, will manage to avoid it.

The chart showed the % of those who died after contracting Covid within the vax/unvaccinated groups in each age range during that 4 weeks.

I’d imagine so, and in my opinion it’s our way out of it.

[hibbysam]

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I was wondering that the other day, what has happened to the other variants?

Essentially they’re a totally different thing. They must still be about and spreading as they would have with or without the delta variant I would have thought? I’m sure the Kent variant for example hasn’t turned round and went ah **** this, we’re no as good as that Delta one, let’s call it a day

😂😂 ‘UK don’t need me anymore, I’m away to Spain’

[Peevemor]

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This may have been covered in here already, apologies if so.

Another confusion of mine are the scientific data regarding immunity from catching Covid v immunity from the vaccine. The report I’ve read says if you’ve had Covid your far more immune to it than someone who has simply had the vaccine. If this is true, then we are going to be stopping someone who’s had Covid, but not the vaccine, and who’s tested negative from going to these events, but allowing someone who’s never had it previously, but been vaccinated, and may be carrying it now to attend?

How backwards does that sound?

Would be good to know how many unvaxed haven’t had it, that’s the only number we should be concerned about given the report I’ve seen. And with the huge numbers already vaccinated then herd immunity in the rest shouldn’t be that dangerous.

In my (daft) opinion, testing for events was the way forward, not vaccination status. If you’ve not got it you can’t pass it. If you’ve been vaxed you can still get it and pass it (although greatly reduced likelihood).

The Covid passport in France is both - vaccine or negative test.

The test will give you a pass valid for 3 days and most people are getting antigen tests at chemists who email the result directly to you.

It means that you can be non vaccinated but still attend matches, concerts, etc.

The tests are currently free but this is meant to change mid October.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I'm presuming GDPR will apply given it is a medical record. I can just imagine a GP standing in the waiting room full of patients bleeping your health record on a mobile. I'm sure that is GDPR compliant

We aren't talking about doctors surgeries!!!

No medical records will be disclosed in the, yet to be implemented, covid passport, unlike in England where a private company has been given the go ahead to amalgamate all GP and hospital records into a central database. That's where there might be a problem with privacy and GDPR.

[Moulin Yarns]

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This is my final word on the matter, imo.

Lockdowns - Fail

Covid Passports - Fail

Imo

How can you say covid passports fail, they haven't been used yet!!!!

[hibbysam]

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The Covid passport in France is both - vaccine or negative test.

The test will give you a pass valid for 3 days and most people are getting antigen tests at chemists who email the result directly to you.

It means that you can be non vaccinated but still attend matches, concerts, etc.

The tests are currently free but this is meant to change mid October.

Which would make far more sense.

[Stairway 2 7]

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We aren't talking about doctors surgeries!!!

No medical records will be disclosed in the, yet to be implemented, covid passport, unlike in England where a private company has been given the go ahead to amalgamate all GP and hospital records into a central database. That's where there might be a problem with privacy and GDPR.

You are choosing to show it to get in somewhere really. Just like when I chose to go to Vietnam they wanted to see that I had my vaccines. Not forced to show, but also not getting in
If not

[Moulin Yarns]

I went to bed and this thread took a turn for the worse!! Friday night, alcohol and hibs.net don't seem to get on. 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

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You are choosing to show it to get in somewhere really. Just like when I chose to go to Vietnam they wanted to see that I had my vaccines. Not forced to show, but also not getting in
If not

I know, it was Wookie who seems to think that your gp would be scanning it and thinking that GDPR would be compromised for some unfathomable reasons.

[JimBHibees]

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seriously, why on earth do some think there's going to be anything other than proof of vaccinations on the vaccine certificate/QR code....just WHY ?

There wont be and would be no reason to be imo.

[J-C]

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I had never heard of this Godley woman until this all kicked off, is she just like a female Frankie Boyle?

Not as funny.

I seen her in the festival a goof few years ago and she was very funny, stories about her family etc, she was known as the female Billy Connolly, recently her humour has became more political and she thinks since her Trump is a C*** poster, she can do no wrong, now totally unfunny and irritable.

[J-C]

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There wont be and would be no reason to be imo.

The thread on the PM board explains it all, I went on the NHS site and downloaded my vaccination certificate to my phone. All it shows is name and details of the dates of my vaccinations with two scannable codes, no other details are shown.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Neither of your options are palatable imo.

Lockdowns = Failed.

Ineffectual Passports = Failed.

Imo

Or

Anti Vaxers Licked Up = Primising
And
Effective passports = Success

[J-C]

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Or

Anti Vaxers Licked Up = Primising
And
Effective passports = Success

Lucky them

[Stairway 2 7]

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Or

Anti Vaxers Licked Up = Primising
And
Effective passports = Success

I'm not licking them until they are vaccinated

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Or

Anti Vaxers Licked Up = Primising
And
Effective passports = Success

I'm leaving that typo up...😁

[hibbysam]

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The thread on the PM board explains it all, I went on the NHS site and downloaded my vaccination certificate to my phone. All it shows is name and details of the dates of my vaccinations with two scannable codes, no other details are shown.

For it to be policed correctly though you’d need to check ID. Peevemor has said already that’s not how it works elsewhere, but then that results in the concept being flawed as anyone could use anyone’s vaccine passport unless the person checking knows the user personally.