Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[calumhibee1]

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They are back handedly forcing folk to get a jag or else they'll have no life, here's one for you. What if a footballer hasn't had both jags? Will he not be able to do his job?

For the vast majority of people you’ll be able to do pretty much anything other than go to the football and even then you’ll only not be able to go to games with 10000 or more people.

It’s hardly having no life, is it.

[aarsan]

No need to be double jabbed.
Just take a pic on your phone of someone else's certificate and use it.

[hibbysam]

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Another lock down is coming the hospitals are at breaking point so it makes the certificates a waste of time really there is nothing that the politicians or scientists can do about it its cruel world we live in at the moment

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There is, they could close the schools.

[JammyDoidger]

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Did you get an appointment but not to go then decide after all you would and just go to a pop up or something? No really sure about the passport thing myself, lots of variables

Got an appointment, but I came down with covid just before it, so had to wait a bit before getting it.

[calumhibee1]

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The measures being introduced now are to stop us going back to more draconian measures like no fans in grounds
But Nicola is on record as saying vaccine passports wouldn’t be introduced ,so I can understand why some people are not happy
It is a form of coercion to force peoples hands But where next if a sizeable number still decide they don’t want to get a vaccine that isn’t mandatory


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If people still don’t decide to get one then it gets tightened even further to include bars and restaurants etc.

After that then the unvaccinated are essentially in lockdown anyway.

Tbh, it should include bars and restaurants already imo.

[BILLYHIBS]

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No need to be double jabbed.
Just take a pic on your phone of someone else's certificate and use it.

Sorry but why anyone would want to enter Easter Road without being double vaccinated and having been checked for Covid is beyond me

Simply not worth it for many reasons

[Sir David Gray]

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I’m not sure about that. It’s not Hibs that have changed anything, it’s a government enforced rule. Hibs haven’t changed conditions of entry, it’s just become ‘illegal’ (not sure if it’s technically a law, but it doesn’t change the point i’m making) now in Scotland to enter a mass attended event without a vaccine.

People still have the option of going to get vaccines to allow them entry.

Hibs will absolutely run the risk of pissing off/alienating some people by not giving them a refund but I’m not sure these people would really have a leg to stand on should Hibs decide they aren’t giving refunds.

It will be an interesting one if someone decided to challenge any refusal to offer a refund.

I'd imagine Hibs' lawyers will be going through the Ts and Cs very carefully to check if there's any potential loopholes.

The only thing I'd say in response to people having the option to get vaccinated to allow them entry is that this law is coming into force in 3 weeks' time, if you're currently unvaccinated and this news has made you change your mind, it will take 8 weeks for you to be fully vaccinated.

I do understand the counter argument to that though which is that everyone over 18 has had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated and it is their fault for leaving it this long but if this is supposed to be the incentive to get people vaccinated then maybe we should be rewarding people who decide to get their first dose over the next couple of weeks?

[Stairway 2 7]

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No need to be double jabbed.
Just take a pic on your phone of someone else's certificate and use it.

Name on the app would need to be same as the ticket

[calumhibee1]

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It will be an interesting one if someone decided to challenge any refusal to offer a refund.

I'd imagine Hibs' lawyers will be going through the Ts and Cs very carefully to check if there's any potential loopholes.

The only thing I'd say in response to people having the option to get vaccinated to allow them entry is that this lW is coming into force in 3 weeks' time, if you're currently unvaccinated and this news has made you change your mind, it will take 8 weeks for you to be fully vaccinated.

I do understand the counter argument to that though which is that everyone over 18 has had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated and it is their fault for leaving it this long but if this is supposed to be the incentive to get people vaccinated then maybe we should be rewarding people who decide to get their first dose over the next couple of weeks?

I’d agree with your last point, if there’s going to be anything that will trip Hibs up here in terms of refunds then it would be the 10 week period between first jag and fully vaxxed. Other than that though I think Hibs would be well within their rights to say “nothing to do with us, we’ve not changed any of our Ts and Cs”.

[The dalmeny]

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6687326[/URL]]Got an appointment, but I came down with covid just before it, so had to wait a bit before getting it.

hope you got over it alright. No much you can do about that. I’m surprised they’ve brought the passport thing in so promptly. You might have though 10 weeks or so so guys like you could get their second. (I thought it would be after the November rugby)

[JammyDoidger]

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It will be an interesting one if someone decided to challenge any refusal to offer a refund.

I'd imagine Hibs' lawyers will be going through the Ts and Cs very carefully to check if there's any potential loopholes.

The only thing I'd say in response to people having the option to get vaccinated to allow them entry is that this law is coming into force in 3 weeks' time, if you're currently unvaccinated and this news has made you change your mind, it will take 8 weeks for you to be fully vaccinated.

I do understand the counter argument to that though which is that everyone over 18 has had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated and it is their fault for leaving it this long but if this is supposed to be the incentive to get people vaccinated then maybe we should be rewarding people who decide to get their first dose over the next couple of weeks?

This, exactly.

[May21/05/216]

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There is, they could close the schools.

The schools will be included in the lockdown I think as they are what's driving the surge at the moment and then the kids infect the adults and so it goes on hopefully the lockdowns are short ones because it's my opinion that we will never get to grips with this horrible covid for at least 3 years minimum that's my thoughts on it

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[The dalmeny]

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Name on the app would need to be same as the ticket

Although slightly different my mate bought 5 season passes for the rugby, they are all in his name, wonder how that will work.

[calumhibee1]

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Although slightly different my mate bought 5 season passes for the rugby, they are all in his name, wonder how that will work.

If it’s anything like Easter Road then 4 of them will be effectively useless if they get over 10k I’d imagine unless he can get whatever team he bought them for to reallocate them to different names.

[The dalmeny]

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The schools will be included in the lockdown I think as they are what's driving the surge at the moment and then the kids infect the adults and so it goes on hopefully the lockdowns are short ones because it's my opinion that we will never get to grips with this horrible covid for at least 3 years minimum that's my thoughts on it

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more melodrama

[Ronniekirk]

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Can you show me where she said that, as all I can find is "she hand’t changed her mind and had said in Parliament on multiple occasions that the Government is “considering the issue”.
I may have missed it or got quotes mixed up.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Is it not a major problem that football clubs or the SFA in the case of Hampden do not have IT systems to scan the certificates?

I've a QR reader on my phone, I do Parkrun and they scan my barcode with a mobile phone. The vast majority of us have the technology. So long as the scan shows a positive or negative response to your vaccine passport then it will be easy.

My business has a QR code that automatically opens my website when scanned.

[neil7908]

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They are back handedly forcing folk to get a jag or else they'll have no life, here's one for you. What if a footballer hasn't had both jags? Will he not be able to do his job?

Does going not going to the football mean you have no life? Better tell that to 98% (thereabouts) of the country that won't be going to a game this weekend that their life has no meaning.

And the footballer won't be sitting next to me in the stand for 90 mins, coughing behind on the way to the toilet or shouting and screaming next to my face when the ref does something they don't like. So I'm not really bothered and it's not relevant given the rules are in place to protect people from covid.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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i'm not sure but is their not a difference between vaccine passports and vaccination certificates ?


i've also read some baffling posts on here thinking a vaccination certificate/QR code on the mobile somehow has a persons whole medical record on it, it's just a certificate to say folk have had the vaccine/which one etc...nothing more, one earlier post indicated he didn't want a steward knowing he had herpes(or something like that) years ago ffs

[Moulin Yarns]

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Because they're the only people who will be legally unable to attend.

Only if they are one of the estimated 4,500 who, for real medical reasons, are unable to be vaccinated. Those who choose not to deserve nothing!

[Inconsequential]

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Sorry but why anyone would want to enter Easter Road without being double vaccinated and having been checked for Covid is beyond me

Simply not worth it for many reasons

Plus committing fraud is not recommended and I hope that would be severely dealt with by the authorities.
Honestly, there are some roasters out there....

[The dalmeny]

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If it’s anything like Easter Road then 4 of them will be effectively useless if they get over 10k I’d imagine unless he can get whatever team he bought them for to reallocate them to different names.

not so sure, iirc the tickets sold by rugby clubs have the club not individual names so I suspect it’ll just he up to the holder to show their passport. Still getting a bit off topic so I’ll park that.

[Rocky]

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That's from December 2020 and she specifically said that one of the reasons for not introducing them at that time was that they had no evidence the Pfizer vaccine prevented / reduced onward transmission. It's almost as if her policy position changed in light of developments in the state of the pandemic and emerging scientific evidence. Disgrace imo, she should have set a policy in March 2020 and stuck to it.

[May21/05/216]

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more melodrama

Glad you think it's more melodrama I hope your correct but I think I'm correct its only my opinion cheers

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It will be an interesting one if someone decided to challenge any refusal to offer a refund.

I'd imagine Hibs' lawyers will be going through the Ts and Cs very carefully to check if there's any potential loopholes.

The only thing I'd say in response to people having the option to get vaccinated to allow them entry is that this law is coming into force in 3 weeks' time, if you're currently unvaccinated and this news has made you change your mind, it will take 8 weeks for you to be fully vaccinated.

I do understand the counter argument to that though which is that everyone over 18 has had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated and it is their fault for leaving it this long but if this is supposed to be the incentive to get people vaccinated then maybe we should be rewarding people who decide to get their first dose over the next couple of weeks?

We were told last season that we were getting all the games live on Hibs TV until we were allowed back into ER. I think it was a similar message when the STs went on sale for this season. Given that's the case then I'd imagine any T&Cs would cover that scenario. The vaccine passport situation effectively puts the unvaccinated back into that situation where they'll have to watch on Hibs TV until they have a passport (if they decide to get the vaccine). Potentially the T&Cs might have be worded in such a way that they cover this. I'd be very surprised if Hibs are on the hook for refunds when it is the government who have introduced the vaccine passport.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Sorry but why anyone would want to enter Easter Road without being double vaccinated and having been checked for Covid is beyond me

Simply not worth it for many reasons

it would be terrible if some unvaccinated poster reading this posters brilliant irresponsible advice ended up sitting next to him, said unvaccinated reader may just be a carrier....god that would be terribly unlucky

[aarsan]

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Plus committing fraud is not recommended and I hope that would be severely dealt with by the authorities.
Honestly, there are some roasters out there....

What !!!!

[Sir David Gray]

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Only if they are one of the estimated 4,500 who, for real medical reasons, are unable to be vaccinated. Those who choose not to deserve nothing!

Yes I have a fear that by me saying what I did that I am coming across as siding with people who have chosen not to get vaccinated. I am not and I agree with vaccination being required in order to enter certain settings, if anything I think it should be extended to places like pubs and restaurants as well.

All I was saying was that when people bought their season tickets 4 or 5 months ago there was no such rule which stated vaccination would be a requirement for entry into the stadium. In fact the First Minister was actually quite open about how she wasn't keen on the idea.

Even if I don't agree with their decision not to get vaccinated, those people now find themselves in a situation where, even if they wanted to now get vaccinated in order to comply with this new law, it will take them 8 weeks to get fully vaccinated and the law comes into effect in 3 weeks.

Over the next 8 weeks, Hibs have 4 home matches so I think if we're going to use this as a real incentive for people to now go and get vaccinated, rather just using it as a punishment for not going to get vaccinated up until now then if there's not going to be a blanket refund in place for everyone affected then I do think that at least for those people who decide that they will now get vaccinated there should be the offer of a refund for the cost of the next 4 games that they'll miss and we'll see them at the Dundee game on 20th November.

[BILLYHIBS]

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What !!!!

Your point is caller ?

[JammyDoidger]

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It will be an interesting one if someone decided to challenge any refusal to offer a refund.

I'd imagine Hibs' lawyers will be going through the Ts and Cs very carefully to check if there's any potential loopholes.

The only thing I'd say in response to people having the option to get vaccinated to allow them entry is that this law is coming into force in 3 weeks' time, if you're currently unvaccinated and this news has made you change your mind, it will take 8 weeks for you to be fully vaccinated.

I do understand the counter argument to that though which is that everyone over 18 has had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated and it is their fault for leaving it this long but if this is supposed to be the incentive to get people vaccinated then maybe we should be rewarding people who decide to get their first dose over the next couple of weeks?

This, exactly.