Brexit - What Now.

[He's here!]

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So nothing like what you suggested in your previous post.

No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

[Just Alf]

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No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

You basically said... to save you typing the whole thing out that... that the driver losses due to brexit couldn't be easily replaced because of covid.


Bottom line, no brexit = no driver losses = us the same as everyone else simply trying to replace those retiring etc... so bottom line brexit has put us in a worse starting position compared to everyone else and the evidence can be seen on our (and their) supermarket shelves.

[lapsedhibee]

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No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

First post: the biggest problem is Covid, not Brexit.
Second post: the biggest problem is Brexit, and Covid makes it harder to deal with.
See any difference there?

[Hibrandenburg]

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Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

I do and there isn't, with the exception of British imports but that's only a tiny percentage of imported goods.

[Ozyhibby]

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[LaMotta]

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There are driver shortages across Europe, caused by a number of issues such as Covid, drivers leaving the industry, recruitment problems, etc. but it doesn’t seem to have had an effect on the “supply chain”.
The reason why it’s having an effect here is that the shortage is at least 3 times worse than other European countries. The only thing I can think of that would make the UK problems so much worse is Brexit, but I’m no expert so it’s possible that there are other issues in play.

Let’s not forget though, that drivers are only part of the supply chain. Warehouse staff, logistics, etc. are also involved in the supply chain and the loss of EU workers in this area is possibly what has added to the UK problem that has resulted in the issues being evident on the shelves (and it not being a visible issue in Europe).

Nail on head.

[LaMotta]

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No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

You are not getting shot down for putting your head above the parapet, you are being shot down because like all Brexiteeers you dont have a coherent, logical argument in you.

[ronaldo7]

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You are not getting shot down for putting your head above the parapet, you are being shot down because like all Brexiteeers you dont have a coherent, logical argument in you.

Hallelujah.✅

[Hibrandenburg]

Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

[Jack]

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Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

Wetherspoons is struggling.

[Ozyhibby]

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Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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[Bostonhibby]

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Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

Tim Martin's heid might explode before his investors see what's happening to their money?

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[Andy Bee]

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If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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Along with hospitality workers (GIRFUY Tim Martin) and hopefully and more importantly careworkers.

[Hibrandenburg]

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If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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I wonder who will end up paying for that?

[Bostonhibby]

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I wonder who will end up paying for that?

I'm thinking Bozo might just add it to the £350m a week we were getting out of brexit for the NHS, remember that?

Might even get an appropriate slogan on the side of a lorry.

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[LaMotta]

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I wonder who will end up paying for that?

Whilst looking good for current lorry drivers, inflating wages leads to a number of complex problems. Its not just lorry drivers either. We need to pay more for new farm staff and warehouse staff and factory staff. Most of whom are far less proficient than staff who have left. If warehouse staff wages go up that also means that legally, retail staff wages have to go up to the same level.

That's a lot of pay rises to replace staff we never needed to get rid of in the first place. What does this mean? 1) British people end up paying more for goods to pay for the increases. 2) Given that Britain is the only country having to facilitate so many wage increases, and all at once, then it means British products become noncompetitive in the new markets that "Global Britain" politicians and Brexiteers want us to thrive in. So, many businesses can't sell their products and will fail, meaning redundancies and rising unemployment. The higher cost of wages in Britain will also deter foreign businesses from investing in Britain. So decreased tax revenue and increased welfare spend in Brexit Britain.

All of this to fix a problem that didn't exist before we got our sovereignty back.

[grunt]

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Whilst looking good for current lorry drivers, inflating wages leads to a number of complex problems. Its not just lorry drivers either. We need to pay more for new farm staff and warehouse staff and factory staff. Most of whom are far less proficient than staff who have left. If warehouse staff wages go up that also means that legally, retail staff wages have to go up to the same level.

That's a lot of pay rises to replace staff we never needed to get rid of in the first place. What does this mean? 1) British people end up paying more for goods to pay for the increases. 2) Given that Britain is the only country having to facilitate so many wage increases, and all at once, then it means British products become noncompetitive in the new markets that "Global Britain" politicians and Brexiteers want us to thrive in. So, many businesses can't sell their products and will fail, meaning redundancies and rising unemployment. The higher cost of wages in Britain will also deter foreign businesses from investing in Britain. So decreased tax revenue and increased welfare spend in Brexit Britain.

All of this to fix a problem that didn't exist before we got our sovereignty back.

Good summary. This Brexit disaster will have significant far reaching consequences.

[LaMotta]

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Good summary. This Brexit disaster will have significant far reaching consequences.

Some of these consequences might be more palatable if there was actually any kind of significant upside to Brexit or a number of positive trade offs. There aren't though which is why it is all so mad.

[Stairway 2 7]

Brexit is a disaster for a thousand reasons. People getting higher wages isn't one of them. The same is said every time the minimum wage goes up, it will just hurt the consumer ect

[LaMotta]

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Brexit is a disaster for a thousand reasons. People getting higher wages isn't one of them. The same is said every time the minimum wage goes up, it will just hurt the consumer ect

If some people getting higher wages leads to more people ending up redundant, that's not great overall.

Raising wages though will only do so much to attract people to fill some of the unattractive vacant roles that are out there and that British people just don't want. There are a shortage of abattoir butchers right now for example, despite trainee butchers getting paid more than trainee accountants at one of the big four accountancy firms. So its not all about wages.

[He's here!]

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You are not getting shot down for putting your head above the parapet, you are being shot down because like all Brexiteeers you dont have a coherent, logical argument in you.

Nonsense. In what way does pointing out that Brexit is not the only reason for driver shortages make me a Brexiteer? My point (minor as I initially intended it to be) is that it seems if you suggest something that deviates from the 'all our problems are the UK government's fault' line it gets jumped upon because the majority of the regular (independence supporting) posters on here want everything to be blamed on the UK government and it simply won't do to throw something rather significant like a pandemic into the mix.

I note, incidentally, that Ikea are also blaming Covid and Brexit for their supply chain problems:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58443653

[LaMotta]

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Nonsense. In what way does pointing out that Brexit is not the only reason for driver shortages make me a Brexiteer? My point (minor as I initially intended it to be) is that it seems if you suggest something that deviates from the 'all our problems are the UK government's fault' line it gets jumped upon because the majority of the regular (independence supporting) posters on here want everything to be blamed on the UK government and it simply won't do to throw something rather significant like a pandemic into the mix.

I note, incidentally, that Ikea are also blaming Covid and Brexit for their supply chain problems:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58443653

No one has said that the pandemic hasn't had an impact on the shortage of drivers. That is accepted. It has caused problems round Europe. Given though that the UK is unique in suffering a full on labour shortage/supply chain crisis ( not prevalent in EU states), it's clear that the crisis has been caused by Brexit and the UK government's policies around that.

The Scottish food and drink industry are certainly pinning it on the UK government as their letter from last week to both UK and Scottish Governments proves:

https://www.fdfscotland.org.uk/fdf/n...r-in-scotland/

The UK government's immigration policy priortises ballet dancers over butchers and lorry drivers ffs ( we don't need ballet dancers btw).

[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit damage seen by 75%, independence referendum by 46% of business leaders in IoD survey | HeraldScotland

THREE-quarters of business leaders believe Brexit is damaging the UK economy, a poll has revealed.



the 18% that said no will be Tory Donors

[JimBHibees]

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Brexit damage seen by 75%, independence referendum by 46% of business leaders in IoD survey | HeraldScotland

THREE-quarters of business leaders believe Brexit is damaging the UK economy, a poll has revealed.



the 18% that said no will be Tory Donors

Bound to be first news item on BBC news tonight.

[Lendo]

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If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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and we, the consumer, can look forward to paying for that when the price of goods starts skyrocketing.

[StevieC]

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and we, the consumer, can look forward to paying for that when the price of goods starts skyrocketing.

Do you not do the shopping? It’s already started.

[hibsbollah]

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and we, the consumer, can look forward to paying for that when the price of goods starts skyrocketing.

Over 8% increase in supermarket food since January. Including 22% on meat and fish and 14% rise on fruit and vegetables already. Get those raised beds while you can

http://www.ukfoodexports.co.uk/news/news-uk-food-prices-show-eight-point-three-percent-increase.htm

[One Day Soon]

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Over 8% increase in supermarket food since January. Including 22% on meat and fish and 14% rise on fruit and vegetables already. Get those raised beds while you can

http://www.ukfoodexports.co.uk/news/...t-increase.htm

Looking at those percentage rises I'll be sowing cows, pigs and haddock into my raised beds first. Once I've finished growing the trees to get the wood to build the raised beds.

[Andy Bee]

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Over 8% increase in supermarket food since January. Including 22% on meat and fish and 14% rise on fruit and vegetables already. Get those raised beds while you can

http://www.ukfoodexports.co.uk/news/...t-increase.htm

That percentage rise certainly aint down to HGV drivers wage increases alone.

[Moulin Yarns]

A neighbour is from the Netherlands, and bought a gift from me for her sister. It was a small zipped bag. What used to be delivered in 3 days took 3 weeks to clear the new improved export system introduced by the UK government as a result of Brexit.