Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Not In The Know]

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Personally, I couldn't wait for the vaccines and took up the offer of them as soon as they were offered. However, I don't think folk should be forced into having them if they want to attend events etc. I would hope those who are unable to attend Easter Road would not seek a refund or stop putting their money into the club as its not Hibs fault that they can't attend.

People aren't being forced to get vaccines just like folk aren't forced to learn to drive. If you want to drive you need to get a licence so you can protect other road users and yourself.

Just like a vaccine passport really. No ones forcing people to go to large events.

[green day]

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It baffles me how naive so many are about this.

I always point this out to folk who are worried about data collection.

1. If you have an iPhone… it’s listening to you, at all times… if you have an Alexa, same, Google home, ditto…. And how do we know this… cos they’re all waiting on a key phrase being spoken in order for them to ‘serve us’.

2. Google maps traffic data…. How do you think they can tell how busy the roads are? Simple, they’re collecting data from every WiFi/Cellular connected device and analysing that devices speed, direction, etc to determine if the device is in a vehicle… the uses the gps of the device and groups it with other Google activated devices to determine the traffic load.

You’d have to live completely off the grid these days not to be data tracked most of your day.

That said… what are most folk worried about… just what can the data they mine do to affect your life?

You are right - I use Android Auto to get around and it doesnt take a genius to work out that its ALL phone users whos GPS data is aggregated together to give the traffic flow / best route etc.

People complaining about "having to give up data" do it all the time, including to drive, travel, open a bank account etc etc

[CentreLine]

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My view would be that if medically exempt then proof of a negative test result should suffice.

Maybe as well as but not instead of IMHO

[calumhibee1]

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It baffles me how naive so many are about this.

I always point this out to folk who are worried about data collection.

1. If you have an iPhone… it’s listening to you, at all times… if you have an Alexa, same, Google home, ditto…. And how do we know this… cos they’re all waiting on a key phrase being spoken in order for them to ‘serve us’.

2. Google maps traffic data…. How do you think they can tell how busy the roads are? Simple, they’re collecting data from every WiFi/Cellular connected device and analysing that devices speed, direction, etc to determine if the device is in a vehicle… the uses the gps of the device and groups it with other Google activated devices to determine the traffic load.

You’d have to live completely off the grid these days not to be data tracked most of your day.

That said… what are most folk worried about… just what can the data they mine do to affect your life?

Yup.

I was talking about a restaurant the other day. I’ve never been, never looked on their website, never googled it. Just walked past and said it looked nice from outside.

5 minutes later there’s an advert for it on my phone.

For people that are worried about their data being gathered, you’re too late. You’re giving up data nearly every moment of your life on the presumption you live a fairly normal life.

[calumhibee1]

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People aren't being forced to get vaccines just like folk aren't forced to learn to drive. If you want to drive you need to get a licence so you can protect other road users and yourself.

Just like a vaccine passport really. No ones forcing people to go to large events.

Driving is a great freedom to have. You need to show you’re safe to do it though before you can do it.

This really isn’t all that different.

[mcohibs]

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Yup.

I was talking about a restaurant the other day. I’ve never been, never looked on their website, never googled it. Just walked past and said it looked nice from outside.

5 minutes later there’s an advert for it on my phone.

For people that are worried about their data being gathered, you’re too late. You’re giving up data nearly every moment of your life on the presumption you live a fairly normal life.

Agree with your last paragraph but if you've been talking about a restaurant (not through a device) and it pops up as an ad on your phone then that is purely coincidence and the only reason you notice it is because of that.

The average person sees around 6,000 to 10,000 ads every day. There are bound to be times when you're talking about something then see an ad for it but it is pure luck, not someone listening in on your conversations.

[CentreLine]

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Agree with your last paragraph but if you've been talking about a restaurant and it pops up as an ad on your phone then that is purely coincidence and the only reason you notice it is because of that.

The average person sees around 6,000 to 10,000 ads every day. There are bound to be times when you're talking about something then see an ad for it but it is pure luck, not someone listening in on your conversations.

Is it possible that, by passing the restaurant, something can bee picked up on your phone from the restaurant server?

[Casey1875]

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I've changed your argument from a covid vaccine to something else that you are asked to do to reduce the risk to your health and the health of others ....a seatbelt ... do you still agree ?

Can you please tell me the benefits of wearing a seatbelt then having already had a car crash ? Is there a measurable difference in protection provided? Or is it just a case of it shouldn't do any harm so wear a seat belt ?

This makes absolutely zero sense and there is no correlation between the two scenarios.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Why dont we go to alternate home games, one week all the vaccinated can go, next game all us that use our right to chose to not get vaccinated can go, thatll work fine

[green day]

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Is it possible that, by passing the restaurant, something can bee picked up on your phone from the restaurant server?

Restaurant may have signed up to advertise to those passing close by.

Your phone has GPS.

Bingo.

[green day]

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Why dont we go to alternate home games, one week all the vaccinated can go, next game all us that use our right to chose to not get vaccinated can go, thatll work fine

Like a hunger games for the stupid?

[CentreLine]

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Restaurant may have signed up to advertise to those passing close by.

Your phone has GPS.

Bingo.

Clever stuff this a witchcraft. 🤨

[calumhibee1]

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Agree with your last paragraph but if you've been talking about a restaurant (not through a device) and it pops up as an ad on your phone then that is purely coincidence and the only reason you notice it is because of that.

The average person sees around 6,000 to 10,000 ads every day. There are bound to be times when you're talking about something then see an ad for it but it is pure luck, not someone listening in on your conversations.

I’ve read a few things which suggest otherwise. Things like people going to a Spanish restaurant with Spanish music playing and then their being a disproportionate amount of adverts for Spanish restaurants etc. Likewise with google search bars where if you’ve been talking out loud about something and you start typing it comes up VERY early in the suggestions.

For example if I say “do you want lasagne for tea?” And put an L into Google, one of the first suggestions will be for lasagne when there’s probably hundreds of more frequently searched items that start with an L etc.

[calumhibee1]

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Why dont we go to alternate home games, one week all the vaccinated can go, next game all us that use our right to chose to not get vaccinated can go, thatll work fine

Na you can just stay at home and do nout.

[Sir David Gray]

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If NO-ONE is allowed in the stadium without a vaccine passport will that include players ?

The answer is I don't know but I would doubt if unvaccinated players will be banned from playing.

I suspect it will only apply to spectators.

[Mon Dieu4]

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Restaurant may have signed up to advertise to those passing close by.

Your phone has GPS.

Bingo.

Don't think what you are suggesting is is legal over here, you can do it in the US but sure the EU outlawed it, unless since Brexit we've changed it

[Northernhibee]

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Why dont we go to alternate home games, one week all the vaccinated can go, next game all us that use our right to chose to not get vaccinated can go, thatll work fine

Or maybe some of us could get their info from experts rather than Sandra on Twitter, protect ourselves and others and take the ****ing vaccine or accept that we don’t get to endanger others if we don’t?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Na you can just stay at home and do nout.

That's uncalled for, the new st James centre is meant to be good or go to Lochend Park and can also listen out for when we score

[calumhibee1]

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That's uncalled for, the new st James centre is meant to be good or go to Lochend Park and can also listen out for when we score

Should vaccine passport the centre as well imo.

[ElginHibbie]

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Why dont we go to alternate home games, one week all the vaccinated can go, next game all us that use our right to chose to not get vaccinated can go, thatll work fine

Sure the club would love to have stands less than a third full every other week

[Stairway 2 7]

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Or maybe some of us could get their info from experts rather than Sandra on Twitter, protect ourselves and others and take the ****ing vaccine or accept that we don’t get to endanger others if we don’t?

Aye agree with the sentiment but not the name ha, it's always Sandra Maggie or Agnes on Facebook reading nonsense. But almost 100% of over 50s got vaccinated. The dafties that got unvaccinated were higher the younger you go, I'll be alright who cares if I spread it. Can we change the name of the example to Ellie or josh or something now 😆

[Stairway 2 7]

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Should the club would love to have stands less than a third full every other week

Less than that passports are for over 18s and about 91% of over 18s will be fully vaxed when they bring it in. Its a surprisingly small group the antivax lot although by social media you would think its huge.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Agree with your last paragraph but if you've been talking about a restaurant (not through a device) and it pops up as an ad on your phone then that is purely coincidence and the only reason you notice it is because of that.

The average person sees around 6,000 to 10,000 ads every day. There are bound to be times when you're talking about something then see an ad for it but it is pure luck, not someone listening in on your conversations.

I saw recently someone did an experiment where they recorded a conversation with a number of products and places mentioned, they then put a few mobile phones in a tent with a speaker that replayed the conversation over a period at night. When they returned no adverts for anything mentioned appeared on the phones.

Not sure what that proves.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why dont we go to alternate home games, one week all the vaccinated can go, next game all us that use our right to chose to not get vaccinated can go, thatll work fine

I nominate you for the Darwin award 😉

[007]

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People aren't being forced to get vaccines just like folk aren't forced to learn to drive. If you want to drive you need to get a licence so you can protect other road users and yourself.

Just like a vaccine passport really. No ones forcing people to go to large events.

Exactly, they're welcome to go and support Livi.

[HibsGW]

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This makes absolutely zero sense and there is no correlation between the two scenarios.

Logically it makes perfect sense. You’re being given 2 scenarios and an option to protect both yourself and others in both of them.

[mcohibs]

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Like a hunger games for the stupid?

Genuinely laughed out loud at this 😂

[hhibs]

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People aren't being forced to get vaccines just like folk aren't forced to learn to drive. If you want to drive you need to get a licence so you can protect other road users and yourself.

Just like a vaccine passport really. No ones forcing people to go to large events.

Well put,Sir.

[hibsbollah]

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It's the big note fine and 3 points on the licence that's the coercion

Or could it be a desire to not mow down the wean in her pushchair on the zebra crossing?

Always room for a morals and ethics debate

[wookie70]

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Like a hunger games for the stupid?

What group do the vaccinated but not wishing to carry a passport fall under, or willing to support fellow citizens right to choose or indeed be exempt on medical grounds. Are we stupid too. So many insults flying around and saying people are selfish when the topic is about 10k gathering in one place which is potentially a selfish and unnecessary act which is far from essential.

I wonder if any of those in favour of the change have went to a supermarket when online buying was possible, met a mate when they could have called etc. There are millions of events taking place every day that means the virus will spread. The government need to make tough choices but I'm surprise the line has been drawn here. Is there evidence that large outdoor events are more dangerous than attending Uni or College for instance. What would students views be on having to provide a passport to attend a lecture.

Should being double vaxxed not be a requirement for every contact in society where you have no choice who you sit next to