Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[flash]

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I would have hoped that as the goalposts have now changed then they would be understanding of cases such as mine, if these were going to be required at the start of the season then I wouldnt have bought one.

I'm also not sure how enforceable these will be as when masks were mandatory you still couldn't ask for proof of exemption.

If you have a medical reason for not being vaccinated am sure you will be fine.

[andudare2]

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If you have a medical reason for not being vaccinated am sure you will be fine.

already confirmed earlier on that this will be the case.

[Ronniekirk]

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I have no time whatsoever for anti-vaxxers. unless its medical advice/condition that is reason for not getting vaccinated.

If Joe Bloggs sat next to you has not been jabbed, you ARE in danger of getting infected,as is he of course.

I told here about my pal Davie who passed away last month with the Covid and he had both his jabs(2nd one last May)
Family think his train journey and weekend in London invited the virus
Such a crowded train(few masks) and London during Scotland v England game

I wont go near big gatherings till most if not all have had both jabs

But thats me, being elderly and with underlying medicai conditions.

Sorry to hear about your friend But the whole support could be doubled jabbed and you still get it at the game Hopefully you wouldn’t get seriously ill or end up in hospital but I do know a few people doubled jabbed who have ended up in intensive care and got out with an oxygen tank


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[wookie70]

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already confirmed earlier on that this will be the case.

Is it a joined up system where they will know that you have appropriate medical grounds. Is there even a recognised list of conditions where you are deemed exempt. Even then I'm not sure asking someone to prove they have an appropriate illness to be exempt is a job for a steward at a fitba ground.

Doncaster may well actually be useful for once in standing up to the government on this. The question he asked regarding outdoor events not being a major spreader of diseases has to be answered and answered robustly with proof. Why did we fully open up grounds if it was dangerous in the first place.

[Casey1875]

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already confirmed earlier on that this will be the case.

Which makes a complete mockery of the whole system, I don't have a medical reason as such for not having it and as I said if that excludes me from society then I will deal with that. Effectively forcing people to have any sort of medication doesn't sit well however. People should be permitted to make their own choice.

[The Spaceman]

If we are only excluding 15% of the population from society who are also those who trust Facebook posts by Karen for their news source/self-certified virologists, that’s fine by me 👍 medical exemptions are a different kettle of fish which of course should be respected.

[Ronniekirk]

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Okay, they are effective at reducing illness. But that is about it - they are not making you immune, and you can still get very ill and die, and you are now needing regular boosters.

So they are effective at reducing hospital backlogs - which is good. However, there is no pressure on the NHS these days - it is under control. So I don't see the point in these passports.

Lots of health board are currently not doing routine procedures The Lanarkshire hospital joined a growing list of hospital in the last few weeks
I am currently waiting to go in for a procedure Will be lucky if I get it by next summer at this rate


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[Ronniekirk]

A different point but it’s emerged in the past few weeks that lots of football Professionals are not double jabbed so are they not allowed into the stadium


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[andudare2]

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Is it a joined up system where they will know that you have appropriate medical grounds. Is there even a recognised list of conditions where you are deemed exempt. Even then I'm not sure asking someone to prove they have an appropriate illness to be exempt is a job for a steward at a fitba ground.

Doncaster may well actually be useful for once in standing up to the government on this. The question he asked regarding outdoor events not being a major spreader of diseases has to be answered and answered robustly with proof. Why did we fully open up grounds if it was dangerous in the first place.

confirmation is in regards to under 18,s and people who have genuine medical conditions which i would imagine would have to be verified by a GP and not a lanyard anyone can get from Amazon etc.

[Sheep_Nae_Mair]

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Have to say, I’ve got some sympathy for people that just don’t want to get it, they don’t need to justify it in my mind, it’s none of my business.

Something I don’t get, and apologies if it’s a stupid question but hopefully someone can answer it for me, I’ve been double jabbed so I’m relatively safe from covid, or as safe as I can be, if joe bloggs sat next to me isn’t double jabbed that’s his concern not mine as he’s the one risking getting ill.

I’m sure that’s a bit simplistic but it’s something I’ve never really got.

Explanations appreciated 😂

You said it yourself - "relatively safe" - but not completely safe. The vaccines are all well short of 100% effectiveness and their effect has been shown to be diminishing over time. So I think it should be your concern as well. As you'll know, most cases are not as bad as they were but people are still dying from it and some (like my 26 year old granddaughter) are suffering from long covid.

[Northernhibee]

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Which makes a complete mockery of the whole system, I don't have a medical reason as such for not having it and as I said if that excludes me from society then I will deal with that. Effectively forcing people to have any sort of medication doesn't sit well however. People should be permitted to make their own choice.

You do have a choice, you've decided not to take the vaccine and as such to protect others you're not allowed to go to the football.

[Casey1875]

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If we are only excluding 15% of the population from society who are also those who trust Facebook posts by Karen for their news source/self-certified virologists, that’s fine by me 👍 medical exemptions are a different kettle of fish which of course should be respected.

Your disregard for 15% of the population says more about you than them I think. Granted some people will be basing their decision on misinformation but not all.

I guess it is fine until its something that you don't agree with though?

[Casey1875]

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You do have a choice, you've decided not to take the vaccine and as such to protect others you're not allowed to go to the football.

Which I have already said is fine, I think it is a bit nonsensical but I'll live with it. I'll not be happy if I don't get my money back however.

[wookie70]

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If we are only excluding 15% of the population from society who are also those who trust Facebook posts by Karen for their news source/self-certified virologists, that’s fine by me 👍 medical exemptions are a different kettle of fish which of course should be respected.

That way of thinking goes along with those that say people who smoke, drink, take drugs, are obese etc shouldn't be treated by the NHS. It sounds nothing like a free society to me. You could argue someone who believed some of the nonsense of facebook had a learning difficulty, should we not allow those that struggle cognitively to attend the fitba. Flippant I know but we are getting to the stage where far more people have had the jag than the government ever thought would take it yet that is still not enough and coercion will be used to "encourage" more to take it.

I can imagine an employer asking for proof of vaccination or antibodies for chicken pox from the heavily pregnant lady when there is a case in the office. It wouldn't happen but appropriate information would be divulged and the individual would make their choices aware of the risks. If large 10k plus venues were deemed safe a matter of weeks ago what has changed. The government made a choice, did they get it wrong and have they got the facts to back up this proposed change. If big stadiums are a hotbed for transmission why the hell were they opened in the first place and why the line between 4 and 10k for seated, unseated. Did Jason Leitch pick numbers out the hat or is there evidence to back it up

[Northernhibee]

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Which I have already said is fine, I think it is a bit nonsensical but I'll live with it. I'll not be happy if I don't get my money back however.

We've already established that it's your choice to not take the vaccine, so the club shouldn't lose out because of that IMO.

[pedroorange1875]

CAn get into Portugal and have a holiday, but cant get into Easter Road, this is becoming a joke

[Casey1875]

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We've already established that it's your choice to not take the vaccine, so the club shouldn't lose out because of that IMO.

Ultimately they will if this comes into place as I won't be in a position to renew it, let's face it these passports won't disappear any time soon, if ever.

[Just Alf]

Do people seriously not understand %'s to the extent that a 60% chance of not getting covid (and passing it on) is better than an almost certain chance of getting covid and almost certainly pass it on?

[JohnM1875]

I might be proper ignorant here, so sorry in advance. But I honestly just don't understand why anyone would actively choose to not to get the vaccine?

The only reasons I ever see are the antivax folk on twitter. So can't really take most of what they say seriously.

But genuinely interested to find out why folk have decided against getting it?

[1875godsgift]

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That way of thinking goes along with those that say people who smoke, drink, take drugs, are obese etc shouldn't be treated by the NHS. It sounds nothing like a free society to me. You could argue someone who believed some of the nonsense of facebook had a learning difficulty, should we not allow those that struggle cognitively to attend the fitba. Flippant I know but we are getting to the stage where far more people have had the jag than the government ever thought would take it yet that is still not enough and coercion will be used to "encourage" more to take it.

I can imagine an employer asking for proof of vaccination or antibodies for chicken pox from the heavily pregnant lady when there is a case in the office. It wouldn't happen but appropriate information would be divulged and the individual would make their choices aware of the risks. If large 10k plus venues were deemed safe a matter of weeks ago what has changed. The government made a choice, did they get it wrong and have they got the facts to back up this proposed change. If big stadiums are a hotbed for transmission why the hell were they opened in the first place and why the line between 4 and 10k for seated, unseated. Did Jason Leitch pick numbers out the hat or is there evidence to back it up

It's not really the same though, is it?

If you go to a football match and sit beside somebody who smokes, you're not going to catch lung cancer, sit beside somebody who drinks you won't develop cirrhosis of the liver, or someone who's obese, well first off nae luck but you won't develop it yourself from close contact.

Sit beside someone who has Covid however....

[superfurryhibby]

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Lots of health board are currently not doing routine procedures The Lanarkshire hospital joined a growing list of hospital in the last few weeks
I am currently waiting to go in for a procedure Will be lucky if I get it by next summer at this rate


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One of the biggest challenges is the significant numbers of staff forced to isolate following a positive test result. Covid isn't draining the NHS of staff, in terms of the numbers of actual covid related hospital admissions, it's a bit more subtle than that.

The whole thing is an almighty mess. There are huge question marks around the efficacy of the tests used, both PCR and LFT, they are being used like a blunt instrument. There is increasing awareness of issues with various vaccines.

If people really want a true picture then they'll have to dig a bit deeper than the BBC news. Blind faith isn't the answer, there is too much at stake.

That isn't a dig at you Ronnie, you are feeling the backlash from what's happening, as are many . I've been waiting for an appointment for a concern for more than six months now. All I want is a ****ing scan. How am I waiting so long!!!.

[Casey1875]

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I might be proper ignorant here, so sorry in advance. But I honestly just don't understand why anyone would actively choose to not to get the vaccine?

The only reasons I ever see are the antivax folk on twitter. So can't really take most of what they say seriously.

But genuinely interested to find out why folk have decided against getting it?

I cant speak for anyone else but there are a few reasons I chose not to have it. Its not a vaccine for starters, you can still catch it and pass it on being a big one. I felt I would likely be OK if I did catch it, which proved to be the case. Now that I have had it, I don't see the point in getting the vaccine as I have my own immunity. These added to the fact that it is still experimental chose me not to get it.

[Bristolhibby]

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Do people seriously not understand %'s to the extent that a 60% chance of not getting covid (and passing it on) is better than an almost certain chance of getting covid and almost certainly pass it on?

Tried to make that point in my first post. Also tried to make that point with my Asthmatic mate who refuses to get vaccinated.

I’ve given up now as he’s not for turning.

J

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The unvaccinated are c120 times more likely to die. Doesn't seem worth the risk to me just to prove a point about civil liberties or whatever other reason.

Loads of stories out there about anti vaxxers realising their mistake but it was too late.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1896231.html

24 year old lucky to get a lung transplant and survived.

[tamig]

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CAn get into Portugal and have a holiday, but cant get into Easter Road, this is becoming a joke

Very good. A bit light on the detail. What are your entry requirements for getting your holiday in Portugal then?

[tamig]

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Do people seriously not understand %'s to the extent that a 60% chance of not getting covid (and passing it on) is better than an almost certain chance of getting covid and almost certainly pass it on?

Folk just turn a blind eye to facts that don’t back up their cause Alf. Rife on this thread.

[wookie70]

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It's not really the same though, is it?

If you go to a football match and sit beside somebody who smokes, you're not going to catch lung cancer, sit beside somebody who drinks you won't develop cirrhosis of the liver, or someone who's obese, well first off nae luck but you won't develop it yourself from close contact.

Sit beside someone who has Covid however....

You may go into a hospital triage situation and lose your spot to someone who is ill because of their own actions. You may also sit next to someone at ER with Flu at any time in the last hundred years and that kills you. My argument is about risk, choice and exclusion. You could of course sit next to someone who is double vaccinated who passes Covid on to you too.

[JimBHibees]

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Download the NHS app. Your record is there. It even works with Apple wallet now.

J

That's England only

[superfurryhibby]

https://changingtimes.media/2021/02/...4ZhqSfEHR_aSBY

The WHO’s VigiBase, VAERS, EudraVigilance, and other databases list hundreds of thousands of reported adverse reactions after Covid vaccination, including thousands of deaths.

As politicians, health authorities, and a mostly enthusiastic public express joy and relief at what they view as the beginning of the end of the pandemic, sceptics point to the growing number of adverse reactions after Covid vaccination, the risks of long-term adverse effects, and the lack of conclusive evidence that vaccination is preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection and virus spread.

The World Health Organisation’s pharmacovigilance database, VigiBase, lists more than 1.7 million reports of adverse reactions following Covid vaccination, including more than 9,500 deaths.

The global death toll from Covid-19 is now put at more than 4.2 million.

Differences in viewpoints about Covid vaccination, and particularly about the implementation of Covid vaccine certificates and the prospect of generalised mandatory vaccination, are causing relationship breakdowns, including traumatic splits in families.

Those who have chosen not to receive a Covid vaccination are shamed and the hesitant are pressured. Financial and other incentives to encourage people to get a Covid vaccination are becoming increasingly widespread.

Most mainstream journalists dismiss or condemn all vaccine hesitancy as wrong and, on social media, serious abuse is levelled at those who argue that they have the right to refuse Covid vaccination. Employers are increasingly making Covid vaccination a requirement for their staff.

There is particular disquiet about DNA and RNA vaccines, which have never previously been approved for human use.

There are concerns that there will, with spike protein vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, be pathogenic priming, also known as disease enhancement.

During studies of spike protein vaccines against SARS-CoV-1, the exposure of vaccinated animals to the virus led to increased morbidity and mortality.

There is also worry about mix-and-match experiments and potential problems when people are given one dose of one vaccine and a booster of a different one.


This isn't the lunatic fringe speaking. People need to start asking questions and mainstream media don't really offer much a platform for a dissenting view.

[CentreLine]

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Folk just turn a blind eye to facts that don’t back up their cause Alf. Rife on this thread.

Yep. Desperately sad, any spurious point to try and find an angle to argue against vaccines when all of the evidence says the opposite. Don’t want to get a jag? Fine, don’t do it but no need to crow about in in the face of overwhelming evidence that your actions are likely to be harmful to others and to yourself.