Coronavirus

[Pretty Boy]

A vaccine passport is something that I would usually be deeply opposed to.

In this instance, as a temporary measure, then I support it, albeit somewhat grudgingly.

It's not a normal situation and it calls for more radical measures to tackle it. I'd rather have to carry a letter about or scan/show a QR code when going out than go back to being told to stay in the house.

[HibsGW]

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Think Sturgeon said it would be available from/after Friday.

Ah great, hopefully that’s the case. Wonder if that means they’ll be in use within the next week or two then.

[James310]

It's quite a u turn on vaccine passports as only a few weeks ago John Swinney said "Rejecting people who refuse a coronavirus vaccination from certain large events is the wrong approach"

I think he was wrong then but right now.

[Sir David Gray]

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Ah great, hopefully that’s the case. Wonder if that means they’ll be in use within the next week or two then.

I think it's imminent.

[HibsGW]

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I think it's imminent.

Hopefully it’s just a case of logging into the NHS page and saving a qr code to your phone.

[lapsedhibee]

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Hopefully it’s just a case of logging into the NHS page and saving a qr code to your phone.

Think that's what she outlined.

[Pretty Boy]

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It's quite a u turn on vaccine passports as only a few weeks ago John Swinney said "Rejecting people who refuse a coronavirus vaccination from certain large events is the wrong approach"

I think he was wrong then but right now.

John Swinney said.... Should have been the clue there.

[HibsGW]

Quite happy with that on vaccine certificates, makes things safer in the short term and it’ll also push a few more people to get vaccinated. Then when things are better, they can get rid of them.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can you get into the above events with testing

[Mon Dieu4]

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Something like a vaccine passport is something that I would usually be deeply opposed to.

In this instance, as a temporary measure, then I support it, albeit somewhat grudgingly.

It's not a normal situation and it calls for more radical measures to tackle it. I'd rather have to carry a letter about or scan/show a QR code when going out than go back to being told to stay in the house.

I get it I really do and it's a tough call but I just don't like the thought of any government shutting you out of part of society until you obey and do with your body what they want you to do

Down the line it will be if youve not had the flu Jag then your not coming in

[Pretty Boy]

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I get it I really do and it's a tough call but I just don't like the thought of any government shutting you out of part of society until you obey and do with your body what they want you to do

Down the line it will be if youve not had the flu Jag then your not coming in

It has to be temporary for me.

If it starts to lead to increasing levels of intrusiveness with flu jabs and the like being included then I could quickly reverse my tentative support.

I suppose there is an argument the pandemic has seen nothing but incremental intrusions into our lives by the govt and this is just another step but I'm just about willing to trust them, for now.

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Glenn Campbell
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@patrickharvie
was arguing against vaccine passports in July:

“Vaccine passports would deepen discrimination against those who have not yet been vaccinated. It would deepen inequality at a time when the country needs collective effort”

Green party
@scottishgreens
source saying #covid certificate proposal from
@scotgov
is a “discussion they’ll need to have

[HibsGW]

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Glenn Campbell
@GlennBBC
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30m
Green
@patrickharvie
was arguing against vaccine passports in July:

“Vaccine passports would deepen discrimination against those who have not yet been vaccinated. It would deepen inequality at a time when the country needs collective effort”

Green party
@scottishgreens
source saying #covid certificate proposal from
@scotgov
is a “discussion they’ll need to have

I’d say this is an example of good politics. Being fair on the situation back in July, acknowledging the change in circumstances now (people having had the chance to get vaccinated) and then changing your opinion based on the circumstances.

[Ozyhibby]

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Glenn Campbell
@GlennBBC
·
30m
Green
@patrickharvie
was arguing against vaccine passports in July:

“Vaccine passports would deepen discrimination against those who have not yet been vaccinated. It would deepen inequality at a time when the country needs collective effort”

Green party
@scottishgreens
source saying #covid certificate proposal from
@scotgov
is a “discussion they’ll need to have

To be fair, today’s announcement is only for entertainment venues etc, so not really a massive restriction of people’s liberties. It’s not exactly a denial of someone’s human rights to deny them entry to Easter road or Why Not.


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[Sir David Gray]

I welcome today's announcement although I'd personally like to see it extended to hotels, restaurants and pubs but the proposals will do for now.

I just feel there's a far higher risk of an unvaccinated person doing damage in an indoor venue like a restaurant compared with an outdoor venue like Easter Road.

[ronaldo7]

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I’d say this is an example of good politics. Being fair on the situation back in July, acknowledging the change in circumstances now (people having had the chance to get vaccinated) and then changing your opinion based on the circumstances.

Both Harvie and Swinney said similar things at the end of July/beginning of August. Looks like the change in circumstances has changed their minds.

[Dunbar Hibee]

So, is it really going to be a case that if you're not double jabbed you can't get in to these events? If so, that is ****ing mental, IMO.

[Ozyhibby]

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So, is it really going to be a case that if you're not double jabbed you can't get in to these events? If so, that is ****ing mental, IMO.

No, what’s mental is all of us being told to stay at home again and closing down our economy because people don’t want to get vaccinated.


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[SaulGoodman]

Tell you what maybe these conspiracy theorists were onto something 😂

[Sir David Gray]

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So, is it really going to be a case that if you're not double jabbed you can't get in to these events? If so, that is ****ing mental, IMO.

Yes that's correct.

I fully support it.

[Sir David Gray]

35,693 cases and 207 deaths registered in the UK today.

[Mr Grieves]

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So, is it really going to be a case that if you're not double jabbed you can't get in to these events? If so, that is ****ing mental, IMO.

In normal times most folk would see it as ****ing mental but here we are. It's the least worst option were the fewest number of people will face restrictions through choice.

[CropleyWasGod]

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To be fair, today’s announcement is only for entertainment venues etc, so not really a massive restriction of people’s liberties. It’s not exactly a denial of someone’s human rights to deny them entry to Easter road or Why Not.


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My worry is the incremental additions to the restrictions that may happen over winter. Every one justified at the time, but a cumulative effect that ends up being permanent and then... boom, we have the ID Card.

I hope that, when the legislation is passed, there is provision for it being reviewed frequently for unintended consequences and that it is time-limited.

[Pretty Boy]

Talking about vaccines has anyone else had any lingering fatigue after their 2nd dose?

I'm training for a marathon at the moment and pre vaccine I was going well as I increased my mileage. The days after the 2nd dose I struggle big time but that wasn't unexpected. It's a pain in the arse now though as I am tiring noticeably quicker and my recovery takes far longer.

It could well be there is something else at play but it seems a bit of a coincidence it has become a noticeable issue after the 2nd vaccine dose.

[Callum_62]

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My worry is the incremental additions to the restrictions that may happen over winter. Every one justified at the time, but a cumulative effect that ends up being permanent and then... boom, we have the ID Card.

My wife has an ID card already

All biometric info on there etc

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[ronaldo7]

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My worry is the incremental additions to the restrictions that may happen over winter. Every one justified at the time, but a cumulative effect that ends up being permanent and then... boom, we have the ID Card.

I hope that, when the legislation is passed, there is provision for it being reviewed frequently for unintended consequences and that it is time-limited.

I'd hope that our "back benchers" will have that in hand.

[Dunbar Hibee]

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In normal times most folk would see it as ****ing mental but here we are. It's the least worst option were the fewest number of people will face restrictions through choice.

Suppose. I've pissed about not getting the vaccine yet so only myself to blame I guess.

[JimBHibees]

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How long to get PCR results back? They told me up to 48 hours. Anyone get theirs quicker?


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Had one on Friday at 12 got result 24 hrs later on the Saturday

[CropleyWasGod]

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My wife has an ID card already

All biometric info on there etc

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Is that NZ Government-imposed, or is it voluntary?

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'd hope that our "back benchers" will have that in hand.

Wish I shared your optimism

I've personal experience of that type of review being (sensibly IMO) suggested by the Opposition , only for political horse-trading to have it bumped.