Euro 2021 non-Scotland games

***Hibbyradge*** · 19-06-2021 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

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We need as few teams going into last match day on 1 point as possible, so much as I have affection for Poland a late Spanish winner would be ideal.

Come on Slovakia and Sweden then.

**Glory Lurker** · 19-06-2021 09:06 PM

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Come on Slovakia and Sweden then.

Aye! They'll not both come off, though. Almost wish we'd got beat last night, I hate being killed by hope!

**Iain G** · 19-06-2021 09:14 PM

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Sczesny has been absolutely fantastic for Poland tonight.

He needs to be to keep Zibi out the team...

***MyJo*** · 19-06-2021 10:58 PM

We need to win against Croatia as even a draw will see us finishing fourth. If we can do that then the best case scenario for us in the other games would be:

Switzerland not to win against Turkey
Belgium to beat Finland
Ukraine or Austria to win their game outright
France to beat Portugal
Poland not to win against Sweden

Get those results and we will be in the top 4 third place finishers

**Sir David Gray** · 19-06-2021 11:00 PM

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We need as few teams going into last match day on 1 point as possible, so much as I have affection for Poland a late Spanish winner would be ideal.

My predictions for the other groups;

Group A

Switzerland to finish 3rd on 4 points.

Group B

Finland to finish 3rd on 3 points.

Group C

Austria to finish 3rd on 4 points.

Group E

Slovakia to finish 3rd on 3 points.

Group F

Portugal to finish 3rd on 3 points.

I'm still very confident that a win on Tuesday takes Scotland through.

**hibsbollah** · 19-06-2021 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by MyJo

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We need to win against Croatia as even a draw will see us finishing fourth. If we can do that then the best case scenario for us in the other games would be:

Switzerland not to win against Turkey
Belgium to beat Finland
Ukraine or Austria to win their game outright
France to beat Portugal
Poland not to win against Sweden

Get those results and we will be in the top 4 third place finishers

No, just get any two of those five highly likely scenarios in the bag and that’s enough.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 20-06-2021 01:23 AM

Group A
Switzerland 1 pt v Turkey 0 pts

Group B
Finland 3 pts v Belgium 6 pts

Group C
Ukraine 3 pts v Austria 3 pts

Group E
Slovakia 3 pts v Spain 2 pts
Sweden 4 pts v Poland 1 pt

Group F
Germany 3 pts v Hungary 1 pt
Portugal 3 pts v France 4 pts

***JimBHibees*** · 20-06-2021 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by MyJo

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We need to win against Croatia as even a draw will see us finishing fourth. If we can do that then the best case scenario for us in the other games would be:

Switzerland not to win against Turkey
Belgium to beat Finland
Ukraine or Austria to win their game outright
France to beat Portugal
Poland not to win against Sweden

Get those results and we will be in the top 4 third place finishers

So we only need two of them to happen.

**CMurdoch** · 20-06-2021 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by MyJo

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We need to win against Croatia as even a draw will see us finishing fourth. If we can do that then the best case scenario for us in the other games would be:

Switzerland not to win against Turkey
Belgium to beat Finland
Ukraine or Austria to win their game outright
France to beat Portugal
Poland not to win against Sweden

Get those results and we will be in the top 4 third place finishers

Belgium plus at least one other will happen.
However, the difficult bit is Scotland winning.

***JimBHibees*** · 20-06-2021 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lancs Harp

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As you're probably aware Im an English Hibee, no complaints here and most people I know. Scotland had the desire and the game plan. Glad of the point to be honest but tomorrow is another day England havent become crap overnight and Scotland havent become world beaters overnight. It was a great night for Scotland and Im glad for you and the tartan Army. Focus on Tuesday.

A good summary. Scotland are better in these games when can sit in and also break out much more difficult when we are on the front foot. Good thing imo for Tuesday is Croatia need a win also. They aren't as strong but still have loads of quality and will be a very difficult game no doubt.

***JimBHibees*** · 20-06-2021 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

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My predictions for the other groups;

Group A

Switzerland to finish 3rd on 4 points.

Group B

Finland to finish 3rd on 3 points.

Group C

Austria to finish 3rd on 4 points.

Group E

Slovakia to finish 3rd on 3 points.

Group F

Portugal to finish 3rd on 3 points.

I'm still very confident that a win on Tuesday takes Scotland through.

I think your predictions are how I see these games going.

**hibsbollah** · 20-06-2021 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by CMurdoch

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Belgium plus at least one other will happen.
However, the difficult bit is Scotland winning.

**Sir David Gray** · 20-06-2021 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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So we only neeed two of them to happen.

I'd say Belgium beating Finland and Sweden avoiding defeat v Poland represents Scotland's best chance of qualifying.

A winner between Austria v Ukraine would also come in handy but I think that's a stick on for a draw.

**SJNB Hibby** · 20-06-2021 09:15 AM

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So we only need two of them to happen.

Remember, we can still get 2nd place if we win, England lose and there's a decent swing in the goal difference

**ekhibee** · 20-06-2021 09:22 AM

Okay it's unlikely, but how many goals would we need to beat Croatia by to finish 2nd if England were beaten 1-0 by the Czech Republic?

***SHODAN*** · 20-06-2021 09:26 AM

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Okay it's unlikely, but how many goals would we need to beat Croatia by to finish 2nd if England were beaten 1-0 by the Czech Republic?

We'd need to score at least 3 and win by at least 2.

**SJNB Hibby** · 20-06-2021 09:40 AM

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We'd need to score at least 3 and win by at least 2.

If England lose 1-0, and we win 2-0, are we not through on goals scored?

**Sir David Gray** · 20-06-2021 09:42 AM

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If England lose 1-0, and we win 2-0, are we not through on goals scored?

Yes.

**CMurdoch** · 20-06-2021 09:51 AM

Croatia are an amazing national football team and along with Uruguay and Wales have provided me with hope for some time that Scotland could put a good competitive team together despite our tiny population.
On Tuesday our team drawn from a population of 5.5 million people take on a team drawn from a population of 4 million so there are no excuses for losing despite what I said in my 1st paragraph

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***SHODAN*** · 20-06-2021 10:21 AM

It isn't insurmountable that we could beat Croatia, finish 3rd, and play group E winners Sweden at Hampden in the round of 16.

***JimBHibees*** · 20-06-2021 10:43 AM

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It isn't insurmountable that we could beat Croatia, finish 3rd, and play group E winners Sweden at Hampden in the round of 16.

Then possibly England at Wembley in last 8

***Moulin Yarns*** · 20-06-2021 10:57 AM

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Croatia are an amazing national football team and along with Uruguay and Wales have provided me with hope for some time that Scotland could put a good competitive team together despite our tiny population.
On Tuesday our team drawn from a population of 5.5 million people take on a team drawn from a population of 4 million so there are no excuses for losing despite what I said in my 1st paragraph

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Scotland are ranked 44th, Croatia are ranked 14th. Population size is pretty irrelevant.

***SHODAN*** · 20-06-2021 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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Then possibly England at Wembley in last 8

Odd how two teams from the same group could meet before the final. I guess there are too many permutations in the mix to avoid it.

**hibsbollah** · 20-06-2021 11:21 AM

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Odd how two teams from the same group could meet before the final. I guess there are too many permutations in the mix to avoid it.

the addition of the 3rd place team made that inevitable. It’s good for Scotland obviously, but I don’t really like that 16/24 qualify for the second round. It devalues the achievement a bit. I’d rather they expanded to 32 and made it a simple top two go through structure.

***Lendo*** · 20-06-2021 11:27 AM

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa...mpression=true

A handy break down of what each team needs to do to qualify from their respective groups.

GROUP D

June 22: Croatia vs. Scotland, Czech Republic vs. England (9 p.m. CET, 3 p.m. ET)

Czech Republic: Need a point to qualify which will secure top spot in the group. Can only finish third in the group if they lose and Croatia win and finish above them on overall goal difference.

England: Also need a point to be sure of going through, but must win to top the group. Will also qualify with a defeat if Scotland do not win to better their goal difference, and even then four points should be enough to qualify in third.

Croatia: Only hope of finishing second is if they beat Scotland, Czech Republic lose and they finish with better goal difference. But a win is almost certain to take them through in third on four points anyway.

Scotland: Must win but England must lose, and Scotland better the overall goal difference, to take second. Again, a win would almost certain take them through in third.

**DH1875** · 20-06-2021 11:41 AM

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Then possibly England at Wembley in last 8

So we are making it to the semi finals at least 🤣

***Billy Whizz*** · 20-06-2021 11:42 AM

Where do we need to be, to play a last 16 game, which is getting played at Hampden

***SHODAN*** · 20-06-2021 11:50 AM

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the addition of the 3rd place team made that inevitable. It’s good for Scotland obviously, but I don’t really like that 16/24 qualify for the second round. It devalues the achievement a bit. I’d rather they expanded to 32 and made it a simple top two go through structure.

Whilst I would ordinarily agree, there's barely more than 32 countries in Europe. Qualifying would be pretty boring.

**SJNB Hibby** · 20-06-2021 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Lendo

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https://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa...mpression=true

A handy break down of what each team needs to do to qualify from their respective groups.

GROUP D

June 22: Croatia vs. Scotland, Czech Republic vs. England (9 p.m. CET, 3 p.m. ET)

Czech Republic: Need a point to qualify which will secure top spot in the group. Can only finish third in the group if they lose and Croatia win and finish above them on overall goal difference.

England: Also need a point to be sure of going through, but must win to top the group. Will also qualify with a defeat if Scotland do not win to better their goal difference, and even then four points should be enough to qualify in third.

Croatia: Only hope of finishing second is if they beat Scotland, Czech Republic lose and they finish with better goal difference. But a win is almost certain to take them through in third on four points anyway.

Scotland: Must win but England must lose, and Scotland better the overall goal difference, to take second. Again, a win would almost certain take them through in third.

We don't need to better the overall gd to finish 2nd---we can go thru on goals scored, although we'd have to score minimum 2 goals. What happens if we end up with identical records, and the 3rd place team doesnt qualify from our group---drawing of lots?