Big Clearout needed

[chrisski33]

[QUOTE=KingPat4;6577935]Agreed. There's Cadden to come back too. I will be happy if we pull in a few million for the players mentioned and start by bringing in Griffiths - tin hat on - and Jason Kerr. (Added bonus is he is a big Hibbie).


The performance on Saturday was so bad it was almost surreal, I cannot fathom what the hell went on inside the manager and players heads.

But it's gone now and though it will hurt for a while yet, life goes on. It is what it is. I think the bones have been picked dry, we have to move on.



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Kerr wont be signing for us at the moment

[BoomtownHibees]

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I have a feeling Allan will be away unfortunately he isn’t a Jack Ross type of player.

He played pretty much every game under JR when fit

[Tyler Durden]

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When I read the thread topic, I though "what a load of ****". However, I kind of get what you mean Spike.

For me, and I've thought this for a while, we've a midfield that lacks energy and creativity when playing the better more organised teams. It's okay when we're playing against teams that gives our players space (I include Celtic and The Rangers in those teams), but we struggle against teams like St. Johnstone and the Hertz.

On Saturday, and in other games, Newell lacked any urgency to break forward, instead playing the ball back or sideways, or to run back to plug gaps - don't get me wrong, I like Newell but he needs to be better than Saturday. The same can be said for many of our central midfield players and I include Halberg, Mallan and Irvine in that group. They neither drive our team forward nor are able to impose themselves on a stuffy midfield. A fit Allan could have made a difference, but he's not getting any younger

I'm happy with our defence and I'm happy with our attack, but we need a clear-out in midfield. I think that Halberg, Mallan and Irvine will be away anyway, so it's going to happen. We just need to make sure that they are replaced by the young and energetic individuals that you mention.

RE the midfield, it's a bigger problem than individuals IMO. We don't pass the pall with any intensity or zip. The only time we really play at pace is when we're releasing Boyle or Nisbet on the break.

It's worked for us overall in the league but when we're tasked with breaking down a defensive team who sit deep, we struggle to change from the usual game. Our passing was terrible in the semi final and against Aberdeen for me and Saturday was just a continuation of that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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He played pretty much every game under JR when fit

You need to stop using facts mate.

[itslegaltender]

If Someone is offering £3 million plus for Doig, we have to take it. £3 million for a left back at his standard/consistency just now is a no brainer. Same with Porteous. if we can get £1.5 million for him, we can get new players in that would improve the team with that kind of money (totally understand we wouldnt spend probably a quarter of it mind you).

[Jim44]

No big clear out for me. If one or two of Irvine ( no renewal of contract ), Doig, Nisbet, Porteous or Boyle go for decent money, I’m fine with that. However, if by some chance they all moved on, I would be seriously concerned. Despite the reaction to the defeat on Saturday, to lose them all in one fell swoop would be suicidal.

[truehibernian]

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No big clear out for me. If one or two of Irvine ( no renewal of contract ), Doig, Nisbet, Porteous or Boyle go for decent money, I’m fine with that. However, if by some chance they all moved on, I would be seriously concerned. Despite the reaction to the defeat on Saturday, to lose them all in one fell swoop would be suicidal.

Depends Jim, if we lose Boyle and Nisbet which is on the cards, you lose goals and assists of course, but you get a lot to invest in three or four hungry players - and a real opportunity to get Leigh back.

Losing Porteous wouldn’t faze me a bit, I’m disappointed with his concentration levels and his inability to learn from his mistakes - which are too often leading to goals. For me we need a new centre half pairing, and that’s not anything against Hanlon either, but he’s not got real captaincy or leadership traits which that position of the pitch needs for me.

Midfield is the worry - lack of goals and lack of drive in there, with too many having the same characteristics and none with the ‘out your seat’ factor.

Big summer window ahead for Mathie and Ross.

[Inconsequential]

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Definite keep:

Macey
Doidge
Doig
Stevenson
Hanlon
McGregor
Cadden
Gogic
McGinn
Allan - hopefully a good pre-season will see him right.
Murphy
Magennis
Gullan

Cash in on

Boyle
Nisbet
Porteous
Doig - if the offer is very good, circa £4million.

Meh

Newall - doesn't do what he has done nearly often enough
Hallberg - failed to hold down regular spot
Mallan - ditto Hallberg
Irvine - I haven't seen anything like enough from him, hes had time to show it too, certainly not worth breaking the bank for.

So out of my 'keepers' I've got a team of (442 diamond):

Macey
Cadden/McGinn McGregor Hanlon Doig/Stevenson
Gogic
Magennis Murphy
Allan
Doidge Gullan

No place for the new boy Daniel MacKay? Newall is meh but has he not just signed a new contract? Your team gives me the fear!

[Saint Hibee]

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I have a feeling Allan will be away unfortunately he isn’t a Jack Ross type of player.

If Scott Allan isn't Jack Ross's type of player, then we need shot of Jack Ross. We were crying out for Allan's creativity on Saturday.

[MWHIBBIES]

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If Scott Allan isn't Jack Ross's type of player, then we need shot of Jack Ross. We were crying out for Allan's creativity on Saturday.

Allan played every week before his illness. He will play again next season.

[Jones28]

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No place for the new boy Daniel MacKay? Newall is meh but has he not just signed a new contract? Your team gives me the fear!

I didn't think it was fair to include him with that lot.

He has, I was just saying that if he wanted to leave for whatever reason I would lose no sleep over it.

[147lothian]

I would like to see Mallan given a proper chance next season

[chippy]

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No clearout for me. The foundation is good and I think this season, in terms of signings, was about getting in quality players who would either bring in some cash on resell or provide the backbone of the squad for the next few years. That was achieved for me.

Our big problem this year was drive and goals from the middle of the park and cover for our front two. Irvine was close to being the drive and goals and he could easily have got 8-10 goals given the chances he missed. I'd be fine if we could get him as long as he was not too expensive and I would get another midfielder who has legs. Another two strikers needed for me. Having only two central strikers was always going to be a stupid decision and losing 1-0 in a Cup Final with no striker to through on is ridiculous for a club of our size.

Sensible post but would just add another central defender, two if Porto goes

[jeffers]

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Allan played every week before his illness. He will play again next season.

Not convinced he will. If Ross rated him so highly he’d have found a way of getting him some game time with us this season, not allow him to go on loan.

[Jim44]

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I would like to see Mallan given a proper chance next season

I thought he was very unlikely to be with us next season.

[EI255]

Good time for Porteous to move on.

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[Stuart93]

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Good time for Porteous to move on.

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100%. If we can still get approx £1.5m for him I’d rip a teams arm off for it

Especially if any cash could be used for cup double winning captain Jason Kerr who i’d reckon would jump at the chance to sign for us.

[147lothian]

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I thought he was very unlikely to be with us next season.

Your probably right Jim, I think they have the option to buy and by all accounts he's had a good season over there.

[blackpoolhibs]

I know he's scored a lot of goals for us and is going to the Euro's, but there is something about Nisbet that i dont rate, and i'd not be that sad to get a decent amount of money in and let Jack try and replace him.

I always think someone needs to give him a good shake, and make him wake up.

Even Doig if he left for the type of money being quoted, i'd be quite confident we could get someone in to replace him and we wouldn't look any weaker.

Both players would be sold for their potential rather than for me what they are just now, although Nisbet has shown he can score a decent amount of goals so far.

I'm pretty relaxed about losing players this time, as i believe we have a manager who can spot a player and who will bring in more good players next season.

[calumhibee1]

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I know he's scored a lot of goals for us and is going to the Euro's, but there is something about Nisbet that i dont rate, and i'd not be that sad to get a decent amount of money in and let Jack try and replace him.

I always think someone needs to give him a good shake, and make him wake up.

Even Doig if he left for the type of money being quoted, i'd be quite confident we could get someone in to replace him and we wouldn't look any weaker.

Both players would be sold for their potential rather than for me what they are just now, although Nisbet has shown he can score a decent amount of goals so far.

I'm pretty relaxed about losing players this time, as i believe we have a manager who can spot a player and who will bring in more good players next season.

I’m the same with Nisbet.

Strangely enough, I always think Shankland looks a better player even though the stats wouldn’t back that up. If Nisbet leaves then we should be going all out for him imo.

[wookie70]

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I know he's scored a lot of goals for us and is going to the Euro's, but there is something about Nisbet that i dont rate, and i'd not be that sad to get a decent amount of money in and let Jack try and replace him.

I always think someone needs to give him a good shake, and make him wake up.

Even Doig if he left for the type of money being quoted, i'd be quite confident we could get someone in to replace him and we wouldn't look any weaker.

Both players would be sold for their potential rather than for me what they are just now, although Nisbet has shown he can score a decent amount of goals so far.

I'm pretty relaxed about losing players this time, as i believe we have a manager who can spot a player and who will bring in more good players next season.

Booth is a better player than Doig is currently. We are selling potential with Josh and there looks to be plenty of it. To replace him at his current stage of performance would be easy enough imo. Much the same for Porteous. Finding 15-20 goals that Nisbet gives us is much harder to replace

[blackpoolhibs]

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Booth is a better player than Doig is currently. We are selling potential with Josh and there looks to be plenty of it. To replace him at his current stage of performance would be easy enough imo. Much the same for Porteous. Finding 15-20 goals that Nisbet gives us is much harder to replace

I agree, finding a goalscorer is the hardest thing a manager can do.

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I have a feeling Allan will be away unfortunately he isn’t a Jack Ross type of player.

This is what you’re up against when trying to be rational. People not only making things up to suit their agenda but saying stuff that’s been proven as completely untrue.

Jack Ross started Scott Allan every week before his illness and stuck with him even when he wasn’t performing.

[Shrekko]

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I’m the same with Nisbet.

Strangely enough, I always think Shankland looks a better player even though the stats wouldn’t back that up. If Nisbet leaves then we should be going all out for him imo.

Not sure if he’s attainable but I agree. He’s proved himself to be an exceptionally hard working team player this season. Must have been a tough shift for him playing in this seasons Dundee Utd team but he stuck at it and did himself proud IMO.

Not convinced Nisbet would have shown the same attitude or level of performances under those circumstances and we do know that Shankland is a very good finisher when he was service.

[147lothian]

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This is what you’re up against when trying to be rational. People not only making things up to suit their agenda but saying stuff that’s been proven as completely untrue.

Jack Ross started Scott Allan every week before his illness and stuck with him even when he wasn’t performing.

That's the important bit, ok I'm as disappointed as anyone else about Saturday and it is questionable whether Scott Allan will be the player he was 3 or 4 years ago but there is no point in some posters making things up or using the old cliche "not a Jack Ross type player". I'm sure if he had different players at his disposal then different tactics would have been used, but we got through this season with a small squad and still achieved third in the league.

Take Saturday there was no one on the bench that Jack Ross could have brought on to change the way we played either up front or in midfield, Jack Ross has earned the right IMO to transform the team for next season and get the midfield sorted, at the end of next season will be the time to judge him not on the back of one game even if that game was a Scottish Cup final.

[Northernhibee]

Even when you take hindsight into account putting Mallan and Allan out on loan made perfect sense. Both struggling to get minuted after returns from a long time out, wouldn’t have gotten the minutes and were able to get game time which is the only way that we may see them back at us.

The idea that either would have been a major part of our squad just isn’t accurate.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Even when you take hindsight into account putting Mallan and Allan out on loan made perfect sense. Both struggling to get minuted after returns from a long time out, wouldn’t have gotten the minutes and were able to get game time which is the only way that we may see them back at us.

The idea that either would have been a major part of our squad just isn’t accurate.

I slightly disagree with you here, Allan i understand fully, but we were light in numbers and another body available could have been handy even if it's Mallan.

I think it was him that wanted to go out on loan, maybe in hindsight it may have been better for us as a team/squad to deny him that?

[Hibiza]

Need a quality right/ wing back .

[wookie70]

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I slightly disagree with you here, Allan i understand fully, but we were light in numbers and another body available could have been handy even if it's Mallan.

I think it was him that wanted to go out on loan, maybe in hindsight it may have been better for us as a team/squad to deny him that?

Our squad is and was paper thin. I think it was probably the players who wanted game time so the managers and club had little option but to allow them to go on loan. IT was mad to put Gullane out on loan without bringing anyone in too particularly with Murphy only fit half the time and Jamie being able to play there too. WE never even had full benches for games on quite a few occasions this year including the Cup Final. Covid will have had a part to play but I hope that isn't the case next year

[madhatter]

Ofir Marciano (Gone)
Darren McGregor (Coaching more than playing next year?)
Tom James (Another loan or sold?)
Lewis Stevenson (Coaching the kids more than playing next year?)
David Gray (Coaching or moves to get more games?)
Sean Mackie (Released or another loan - needs to be first team player at a club)
Fraser Murray (Released or another loan - see above)
Jackson Irvine (Unsure what's going on)
Melker Hallberg (Never really made an impact - loan or sold?)
Stevie Mallan (Another loan or sold?)
Scott Allan (Fit and healthy enough for Hibs or needs to drop a level?)
Drey Wright (Loan or sold?)
Stephen McGinn (Signed as a coach for next season?)
Ryan Shanley (Another loan or good enough to be around first team?)
Jamie Gullan (Another loan or good enough to be around first team?)


Paddy Martin (Good enough to be 3rd choice?)
Dino Leddie (Good enough to be around first team?)
Callum Yeats (Good enough to be around first team?)
Josh Campbell (Another loan?)
Innes Murray (Another loan?)
Yrick Gallantes (Another loan?)


We have a lot of players that are question marks. There are youngsters that I'd like to see make a career rather than be perma-loans from Hibs until inevitably disappearing like Islam Feruz did at Chelsea. Some are early 20s and they still look some distance from competing in the first team. Then we have first team players that have essentially been emergency backup.

Clear out is maybe wrong word but we'll struggle to get past 2 games in Europe with anything similar to our current squad. Competition has been non-existent this season. We've got players signed up for next season that didn't provide competition this season, don't see why they'd be any better next season, through age or otherwise. We need significant player changes and assessment of youth of first team age.

All the above is a quick list I threw together. Not even including those that have interest - Doig, Nisbet and Porteous.