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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbysam View Post
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    Apologies I read it as a provisional, pending investigation, have only read the headlines about it and not the finer details however.
    Don’t think anyone involved has made it very clear! You do wonder how it can possibly take this long to figure out what happened.

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    Don’t think anyone involved has made it very clear! You do wonder how it can possibly take this long to figure out what happened.
    Especially when there isn’t going to be any specific evidence pinning him. So all they have just now is all they will ever have, witness statements, refs report etc. Baffles me why it takes so long to conduct these proceedings.

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    Especially when there isn’t going to be any specific evidence pinning him. So all they have just now is all they will ever have, witness statements, refs report etc. Baffles me why it takes so long to conduct these proceedings.
    They are probably very nervous because I doubt it can be proved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    They are probably very nervous because I doubt it can be proved.
    I’ve wondered about this.

    The idea that the Prague player said “you ****ing guy” is clearly ludicrous but can any judge say that? Can judges only deal with cold hard facts or can they make a judgement call?

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    I’ve wondered about this.

    The idea that the Prague player said “you ****ing guy” is clearly ludicrous but can any judge say that? Can judges only deal with cold hard facts or can they make a judgement call?
    If it goes to court it needs to be "beyond reasonable doubt" in order to secure a conviction.

    A UEFA hearing won't require the same level of proof, they'll just deal in the balance of probabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    If it goes to court it needs to be "beyond reasonable doubt" in order to secure a conviction.

    A UEFA hearing won't require the same level of proof, they'll just deal in the balance of probabilities.
    I’d imagine with witnesses though it isn’t just simply 1 vs the other, although no microphones picked it up, I’d expect you can still get a conviction off witnesses.

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    I’d imagine with witnesses though it isn’t just simply 1 vs the other, although no microphones picked it up, I’d expect you can still get a conviction off witnesses.
    Yep if it goes to court then corroboration from a witness would help in securing a conviction in terms of the offence being proved "beyond reasonable doubt". It's hard to see a conviction in court without any witness evidence.

    With a UEFA hearing I doubt evidence from a witness would be required, particularly with the nonsense explanation being offered by Kudela. Although I'm sure it would certainly help to have a witness.

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