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    Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
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    He's right.

    For example Scott Brown signing for Celtic was announced well before the transfer window opened.

    Not a pre contract but an actual transfer. Played against Celtic in his last game and scored the winner at Easter Road.

    Was registered first day of the transfer window.
    Brown had handed in and retracted a transfer request - it was known he was leaving, and there was clearly horse trading between Hibs / Celtic / Rangers and Browns agent.

    IIRC he finally agreed to join Celtic about a week before that final match when he scored against them.

    When the window opened, he signed a contract and was registered - 16th May to be exact.

    So, while a player and club can desire a move, they can not sign for another club til the window opens unless its a PCA and that wont apply to Doig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green day View Post
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    Brown had handed in and retracted a transfer request - it was known he was leaving, and there was clearly horse trading between Hibs / Celtic / Rangers and Browns agent.

    IIRC he finally agreed to join Celtic about a week before that final match when he scored against them.

    When the window opened, he signed a contract and was registered - 16th May to be exact.

    So, while a player and club can desire a move, they can not sign for another club til the window opens unless its a PCA and that wont apply to Doig.
    Not how I remember it.

    Window opens on June 1st for example.

    I could well be wrong but I thought he signed a few weeks before the Celtic game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoopyboy View Post
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    Not how I remember it.

    Window opens on June 1st for example.

    I could well be wrong but I thought he signed a few weeks before the Celtic game.
    My memory was the smart money was on him going to Rangers. I remember Rangers supporters singing his name as they thought he was one of their own.

    Shortly after he signed for Celtic.

    May have got that totally wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatHead View Post
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    My memory was the smart money was on him going to Rangers. I remember Rangers supporters singing his name as they thought he was one of their own.

    Shortly after he signed for Celtic.

    May have got that totally wrong though.
    No you have that right, I can remember Rangers fans singing about signing him.

    I for one thought he was going to Ibrox after hearing the stories that he was from a village in Fife that was a Rangers stronghold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatHead View Post
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    My memory was the smart money was on him going to Rangers. I remember Rangers supporters singing his name as they thought he was one of their own.

    Shortly after he signed for Celtic.

    May have got that totally wrong though.
    No, you are 100% right.

    His agent was - as has been mentioned above - playing both sides behind the scenes and it emerged just before the end of the season that he had decided to move to Celtic - which was a major surprise.

    For Hibs it was irrelevant, we had a specific fee decided (and had clearly told the agent) and as long as it was met we were not fussed who paid it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green day View Post
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    No, you are 100% right.

    His agent was - as has been mentioned above - playing both sides behind the scenes and it emerged just before the end of the season that he had decided to move to Celtic - which was a major surprise.

    For Hibs it was irrelevant, we had a specific fee decided (and had clearly told the agent) and as long as it was met we were not fussed who paid it.
    How much will Josh and Porto be worth if we get 3rd spit and/or win the cup. Play 8-10 games in Europe by Xmas ? I think unless the offer is nearer 2.5mill , Ron might well take the chance on keeping them all for another season. Why wouldn’t Josh, Porto, Nisbet , Irvine and Boyle not want to stay for a European adventure. Gets them all a very high profile

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    Quote Originally Posted by chippy View Post
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    How much will Josh and Porto be worth if we get 3rd spit and/or win the cup. Play 8-10 games in Europe by Xmas ? I think unless the offer is nearer 2.5mill , Ron might well take the chance on keeping them all for another season. Why wouldn’t Josh, Porto, Nisbet , Irvine and Boyle not want to stay for a European adventure. Gets them all a very high profile

    tbh I hadnt really thought of the Euro angle - but if we get third and either win the cup or its one of the two clubs above us - we are in European football til Christmas, which - as you say - gives us such a lot more exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green day View Post
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    Brown had handed in and retracted a transfer request - it was known he was leaving, and there was clearly horse trading between Hibs / Celtic / Rangers and Browns agent.

    IIRC he finally agreed to join Celtic about a week before that final match when he scored against them.

    When the window opened, he signed a contract and was registered - 16th May to be exact.

    So, while a player and club can desire a move, they can not sign for another club til the window opens unless its a PCA and that wont apply to Doig.
    They definitely can. Jamie Murphy signed a permanent deal with Hibs 6 months ago, a year before his deal ended. That's a pre arranged transfer.

    Transfer window is completely made up. Hibs could sell Doig tomorrow. He would just join Leicester when the window opened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    They definitely can. Jamie Murphy signed a permanent deal with Hibs 6 months ago, a year before his deal ended. That's a pre arranged transfer.

    Transfer window is completely made up. Hibs could sell Doig tomorrow. He would just join Leicester when the window opened.
    Doig cant sign a contract with Leicester because the transfer window is closed and he isnt in the final few months of his contract.

    What are you suggesting, Leicester would just fire £1.5m to Hibs tomorrow when he (a) cant legally sign for them and (b) cant sign a PCA ??

    If your premise is true, why are we not hearing daily news updates about these transfers in the (very wealthy) EPL, and why is there such a flap about TDD twice a year if its all made up?

    Murphy signed for Hibs on a one season loan during the last summer window - with an obligation to transfer his registration permanently to Hibs for another year on the expiration of his Rangers deal at the end of this season.

    We can do this for as long as you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green day View Post
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    Doig cant sign a contract with Leicester because the transfer window is closed and he isnt in the final few months of his contract.

    What are you suggesting, Leicester would just fire £1.5m to Hibs tomorrow when he (a) cant legally sign for them and (b) cant sign a PCA ??

    If your premise is true, why are we not hearing daily news updates about these transfers in the (very wealthy) EPL, and why is there such a flap about TDD twice a year if its all made up?

    Murphy signed for Hibs on a one season loan during the last summer window - with an obligation to transfer his registration permanently to Hibs for another year on the expiration of his Rangers deal at the end of this season.

    We can do this for as long as you want.
    I don't think you're right. There is nothing stopping the clubs agreeing a fee outside the transfer window, and (with the selling club's permission) nothing stopping the player/their agent agreeing terms and signing a contract (presumably dated to start in the future). The thing that cannot happen outside the window is transfer of registration.

    Pre-contract is a special case where the caveat about having the permission of the player's current club before talking to them no longer applies. But the situation regarding registration is no different.

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    Doig cant sign a contract with Leicester because the transfer window is closed and he isnt in the final few months of his contract.

    What are you suggesting, Leicester would just fire £1.5m to Hibs tomorrow when he (a) cant legally sign for them and (b) cant sign a PCA ??

    If your premise is true, why are we not hearing daily news updates about these transfers in the (very wealthy) EPL, and why is there such a flap about TDD twice a year if its all made up?

    Murphy signed for Hibs on a one season loan during the last summer window - with an obligation to transfer his registration permanently to Hibs for another year on the expiration of his Rangers deal at the end of this season.

    We can do this for as long as you want.
    You’re not right here.

    Latest example being Dayot Upemecano signing for Bayern. He’ll join them in the summer but the fee and the players deal are all agreed already.

    The Scott Brown scenario was exactly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
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    You’re not right here.

    Latest example being Dayot Upemecano signing for Bayern. He’ll join them in the summer but the fee and the players deal are all agreed already.

    The Scott Brown scenario was exactly the same.
    Yep. Great example. Literally announced on bayern website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Yep. Great example. Literally announced on bayern website.
    And if we see similar before the window opens with JD and Leicester I will be back on here eating humble pie.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by green day View Post
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    And if we see similar before the window opens with JD and Leicester I will be back on here eating humble pie.............
    I mean, your argument has been wrong regardless of Doig moving or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by green day View Post
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    Doig cant sign a contract with Leicester because the transfer window is closed and he isnt in the final few months of his contract.

    What are you suggesting, Leicester would just fire £1.5m to Hibs tomorrow when he (a) cant legally sign for them and (b) cant sign a PCA ??

    If your premise is true, why are we not hearing daily news updates about these transfers in the (very wealthy) EPL, and why is there such a flap about TDD twice a year if its all made up?

    Murphy signed for Hibs on a one season loan during the last summer window - with an obligation to transfer his registration permanently to Hibs for another year on the expiration of his Rangers deal at the end of this season.

    We can do this for as long as you want.
    So what is stopping Leicester from agreeing a deal to transfer Doig registration to them on July first?

    You are dead wrong but you can keep arguing. A recent example is Erling haaland was announced by dortmund at the end of December 2019 and joined on January 3rd when the window opened in Germany. Happens all the time. Players are announced regularly outside of transfer windows. Mario Gotzw is another famous example. Announced before Bayern played Dortmund in the CL final.

    It is all made up because that is the open time you can register new players. You can sign them in advance whenever you want. You literally do here constant transfer rumours.

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