What's the chances of fans going back in September?

***oldbutdim*** · 24-03-2021 02:52 PM

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Speaking for myself....as long as it takes. I don't enjoy any of the restrictions or requirements but I quite enjoy being alive.

I'd go along with this view.

***AugustaHibs*** · 24-03-2021 03:10 PM

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Speaking for myself....as long as it takes. I don't enjoy any of the restrictions or requirements but I quite enjoy being alive.

Once you’ve been vaccinated though that risk is minimal. There’s a chance you could die every time you jump in a vehicle but you still do it

***CockneyRebel*** · 24-03-2021 03:28 PM

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Once you’ve been vaccinated though that risk is minimal. There’s a chance you could die every time you jump in a vehicle but you still do it

I don't think that the risk is minimal at all. It may well be less of a risk but with all the data and all the analysis we are still groping in the dark and the cautious approach IMO is the right one. Obviously, the two differing arguments on this thread will never agree.

***Billy Whizz*** · 24-03-2021 04:46 PM

I’m looking to getting back to reserve/development games, if one will exist going forward
Little or no social distancing required

**hibbysam** · 24-03-2021 07:09 PM

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I don't think that the risk is minimal at all. It may well be less of a risk but with all the data and all the analysis we are still groping in the dark and the cautious approach IMO is the right one. Obviously, the two differing arguments on this thread will never agree.

We’re still cautious because everyone hasn’t been vaccinated yet. If the risk isn’t minimal then why are we bothering with the vaccine? If it’s making very little difference to the risk... I’ve yet to see any data anywhere that points to the vaccine not having a big impact.

***AugustaHibs*** · 24-03-2021 07:36 PM

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I don't think that the risk is minimal at all. It may well be less of a risk but with all the data and all the analysis we are still groping in the dark and the cautious approach IMO is the right one. Obviously, the two differing arguments on this thread will never agree.

Depends on what your definition of minimal is. I’m not downplaying that covid is dangerous for some members of the population but vaccines stop more than 80% of hospitalisations at the very least

**The dalmeny** · 24-03-2021 08:19 PM

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Depends on what your definition of minimal is. I’m not downplaying that covid is dangerous for some members of the population but vaccines stop more than 80% of hospitalisations at the very least

And also the risk varies with age and health.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 24-03-2021 09:23 PM

Did I mention that a venue that is normally used for an event I would be applying for on the 11th September is unavailable because it will still be in use as a vaccination centre. Let that sink in. Vaccination will still be taking place in September.

***AugustaHibs*** · 24-03-2021 09:51 PM

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Did I mention that a venue that is normally used for an event I would be applying for on the 11th September is unavailable because it will still be in use as a vaccination centre. Let that sink in. Vaccination will still be taking place in September.

They’ll be onto vaccinating kids by then

***Billy Whizz*** · 25-03-2021 07:53 AM

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Did I mention that a venue that is normally used for an event I would be applying for on the 11th September is unavailable because it will still be in use as a vaccination centre. Let that sink in. Vaccination will still be taking place in September.

Or it will be our winter one

**Ronniekirk** · 25-03-2021 09:21 AM

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Or it will be our winter one

Or the top up one for Varriant s

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**Wakeyhibee** · 25-03-2021 09:25 AM

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Depends on what your definition of minimal is. I’m not downplaying that covid is dangerous for some members of the population but vaccines stop more than 80% of hospitalisations at the very least

Minimal sounds great as a percentage but not so when you apply it to a population. They quoted 13.4m in the high risk groups of age and health. The vaccines are said to be 90-95% effective. Going off their figures between 670k - 1.3m are not covered and in the higher risk groups.

**hibbysam** · 25-03-2021 10:06 AM

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Minimal sounds great as a percentage but not so when you apply it to a population. They quoted 13.4m in the high risk groups of age and health. The vaccines are said to be 90-95% effective. Going off their figures between 670k - 1.3m are not covered and in the higher risk groups.

Surely it’s based on hospitalisations from the worst case. So how many have fallen severely ill so far? Reduce this number by 90%+. Not everyone in the higher risk categories fell severely ill through Covid.

***AugustaHibs*** · 25-03-2021 11:41 AM

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Minimal sounds great as a percentage but not so when you apply it to a population. They quoted 13.4m in the high risk groups of age and health. The vaccines are said to be 90-95% effective. Going off their figures between 670k - 1.3m are not covered and in the higher risk groups.

Widespread study of AZ in USA showed that full vaccination stopped 100% of hospitalisations. Even accounting for some amount of luck if it’s 95% that’s still extremely high. Add into the fact that the chance of death is still relatively low even for elderly and vulnerable and I would class that as a minimal risk. Remember the flu still kills people every year..

If you want to live your life with zero risk I would advise never leaving your house again as otherwise it’s impossible.

**hibbysam** · 25-03-2021 12:51 PM

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Widespread study of AZ in USA showed that full vaccination stopped 100% of hospitalisations. Even accounting for some amount of luck if it’s 95% that’s still extremely high. Add into the fact that the chance of death is still relatively low even for elderly and vulnerable and I would class that as a minimal risk. Remember the flu still kills people every year..

If you want to live your life with zero risk I would advise never leaving your house again as otherwise it’s impossible.

And even then it’s not risk free - electrical faults, tripping down the stair etc.

**Gordy M** · 25-03-2021 01:03 PM

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Minimal sounds great as a percentage but not so when you apply it to a population. They quoted 13.4m in the high risk groups of age and health. The vaccines are said to be 90-95% effective. Going off their figures between 670k - 1.3m are not covered and in the higher risk groups.

Thing is, and im no expert in numbers, but if only 20% of people show symptoms, and a small percentage of that are hospitalised, and its an even smaller amount who unfortunately die, i think its about 0.3% of people who get it. So with the vaccine would it not be 5% - 10% of the 0.3% who wouldnt be protected, which will be a relatively small number.

***CockneyRebel*** · 25-03-2021 01:07 PM

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Widespread study of AZ in USA showed that full vaccination stopped 100% of hospitalisations. Even accounting for some amount of luck if it’s 95% that’s still extremely high. Add into the fact that the chance of death is still relatively low even for elderly and vulnerable and I would class that as a minimal risk. Remember the flu still kills people every year..

If you want to live your life with zero risk I would advise never leaving your house again as otherwise it’s impossible.

And there you have it folks ........ the voice of reason. Jeezo.

***bingo70*** · 25-03-2021 01:12 PM

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And there you have it folks ........ the voice of reason. Jeezo.

Nothing wrong with what the poster said IMO.

***AugustaHibs*** · 25-03-2021 01:24 PM

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And there you have it folks ........ the voice of reason. Jeezo.

there really isn’t any other way. Covid is endemic and will never be eradicated. We are soon approaching a point where the restrictions will be doing more damage than the virus. Like bingo said come summer I can’t see restrictions being followed stringently by anywhere near as many people were even 3 months ago.

***CockneyRebel*** · 25-03-2021 01:44 PM

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Nothing wrong with what the poster said IMO.

IMO it is very dangerous to address an issue by over simplifying the problems. That has been pretty much the theme of all my posts on this thread. I can only reiterate that IMO every avenue of escape from this pandemic is fraught with the unknown and that the cautious approach, along with constant checks on data analysis, is the way to go. Obviously, I don't expect everyone to agree with my take on things, and I am always open to persuasion, but nothing on here has changed my view (so far).

***CockneyRebel*** · 25-03-2021 01:50 PM

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there really isn’t any other way. Covid is endemic and will never be eradicated. We are soon approaching a point where the restrictions will be doing more damage than the virus. Like bingo said come summer I can’t see restrictions being followed stringently by anywhere near as many people were even 3 months ago.

Encouraged, maybe, by posts like this?

***Stuart93*** · 25-03-2021 01:55 PM

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And there you have it folks ........ the voice of reason. Jeezo.

I would’ve potentially disagreed with the poster a few months ago but starting to agree more and more. Majority of the vulnerable have been vaccinated so it’s time to begin the return to the normal/new normal.

***AugustaHibs*** · 25-03-2021 02:07 PM

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[/B]Encouraged, maybe, by posts like this?

People will have their own reasons for not taking it seriously, maybe the fact that like me they realise the risk is minuscule once you’ve been vaccinated.

Not sure a post on a hibs forum will have folk piling into each other’s gaffs for house parties.

**The dalmeny** · 25-03-2021 03:39 PM

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I don't think that the risk is minimal at all. It may well be less of a risk but with all the data and all the analysis we are still groping in the dark and the cautious approach IMO is the right one. Obviously, the two differing arguments on this thread will never agree.

The risk is minimal unless you have an underlying health condition, 4% die, 93% of that 4% have an underlying condition leaving 0.28% and you still have to catch it in the first place. So if you have an underlying condition be sensible.

***CockneyRebel*** · 25-03-2021 03:40 PM

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People will have their own reasons for not taking it seriously, maybe the fact that like me they realise the risk is minuscule once you’ve been vaccinated.

Not sure a post on a hibs forum will have folk piling into each other’s gaffs for house parties.

Therein lies the problem.

**hibbysam** · 25-03-2021 04:43 PM

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...summer-3178928

Seems the government may be deluded also.

***SteveHFC*** · 25-03-2021 04:56 PM

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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...summer-3178928

Seems the government may be deluded also.

***AugustaHibs*** · 25-03-2021 05:07 PM

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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...summer-3178928

Seems the government may be deluded also.

Absolutely shocking if true, do they not realise the risks?

**Wakeyhibee** · 25-03-2021 05:08 PM

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And even then it’s not risk free - electrical faults, tripping down the stair etc.

I work in the power industry and it is far from risk free working near live equipment at 400kv. I was merely pointing out that stats are easily put out there to show either arguement using the figures touted by our Government. I sincerely hope the vaccine does what is being said in the best case scenario.