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[lapsedhibee]

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And I felt the plan needed sped up. Is there any reason the mass centre could not have been opened last week? The vaccine supply was here?

Don't think anyone on this board will be able to answer that. I think there's a whole lot of things seem to have been done a bit slowly throughout the pandemic, both sides of the border, but easy for me to carp from the sidelines.

[Santa Cruz]

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Why would they have delayed opening if they could have?

Slow planning/recruitment/training as pointed out by a poster who has explained in detail the difficulties in getting a start as a volunteer vaccinator.

[Hibrandenburg]

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And I felt the plan needed sped up. Is there any reason the mass centre could not have been opened last week? The vaccine supply was here?


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I think most people would have understood your impatience, but most people would also realise that you can't dance at two weddings. I think the Scottish government have got their tactics almost right, concentrate on getting the most vulnerable done and then the rest according to vulnerability. Anyway were out of the water and cycling now.

[Since90+2]

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Maybe they didn’t delay, maybe they just did not start the preparations on time? There are lots of potential reasons for them not opening earlier but vaccine supply was not one of them.
So far I haven’t heard a reasonable excuse for them not being open last Monday as opposed to this Monday.


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So basically you've no idea what the logistical reasons might have been but you are happy to bash the Scottish Government anyway?

[AugustaHibs]

Is there another country in the world where there’s so much pushback when someone tries to criticise the government?

[lapsedhibee]

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You are Jeanne Freeman/Matt Hancock and I claim my £10 prize.

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The offer of the prize is in the post. It's in a blue envelope

I'm admitting nothing but I would have sent ODS the tenner if he hadn't spelled my name wrongly.

[Ozyhibby]

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Don't think anyone on this board will be able to answer that. I think there's a whole lot of things seem to have been done a bit slowly throughout the pandemic, both sides of the border, but easy for me to carp from the sidelines.

And that was my complaint. It was a perfectly reasonable complaint. The roll out was happening too slowly and I was happy to point that out. It appears to be improving and I’m happy to point that out as well.
It was NS who characterised the roll out as a race and in a race, doing something slowly even if it is to a plan will leave you behind. Hopefully we can start making up some of the lost ground now.
Like I said though, the vaccine supply was there, so those mass centres should have opened last week.


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[Craig_HFC]

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Is there another country in the world where there’s so much pushback when someone tries to criticise the government?

North Korea

[degenerated]

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After the report I read, I wouldn't rule out hospitals as being a main source.

Could also be down to demographics of employment as well, more manufacturing and processing done in the west of the country than in the west. That could be a huge part of it.

[Since90+2]

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Is there another country in the world where there’s so much pushback when someone tries to criticise the government?

Saudi Arabia?

[Santa Cruz]

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Could also be down to demographics of employment as well, more manufacturing and processing done in the west of the country than in the west. That could be a huge part of it.

Can't be ruled out although we normally hear of those types of workplace outbreaks in the press.

[Smartie]

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And I felt the plan needed sped up. Is there any reason the mass centre could not have been opened last week? The vaccine supply was here?


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Don’t you think that if there was any way possible that the centres could have been opened up earlier - safely - that they wouldn’t have been?

It is in absolutely nobody’s interests for this to take any longer than it has to.

I know that it’s not easy when people are dying and everyone’s liberty is seriously restricted, but a degree of patience is required. That, and a bit of trust that the people who know what they’re doing actually know what they’re doing.

There’s a place for scrutiny but there’s also a place for not getting our knickers in a twist about stuff that absolutely none of us have any idea about.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Is there another country in the world where there’s so much pushback when someone tries to criticise the government?

England.

[ronaldo7]

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"International travel had the biggest impact on Covid death rates for countries hit in the pandemic's first wave, a study has found."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-55919040

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The FM mentioned that we'd be going further than the UK Gov on isolation when coming into the country. She did say it was difficult when someone could fly into Heathrow, and then travel up to Scotland, but she wants the UK Gov to come with us on this. I wonder if they'll drag their heels on this one too.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Is there another country in the world where there’s so much pushback when someone tries to criticise the government?

Um... Russia?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/world...valny-2206295/

[Jack]

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No sure how your not getting it I didn't use the higher rate I used your rate per million 1100 odd it puts us beside sweeden in worldmeter

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You've taken a screenshot showing incomplete information for the day. To get the full league table you'd have to use 'yesterday' or '2 days ago' so that figures are included for all countries (and ships although they are no longer updated).

Not wishing to continue this much further but basically by using the 8,300+ figure you were mixing figures and applying them to the wrong 'league'. A bit like saying Hibs would be second in the English Premier League because of the points we have.

[degenerated]

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And maybe we could have opened the mass vaccination centre a week earlier?


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Those were driven by construction programmes based around the availability of the materials and products.

[Sir David Gray]

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 182
North Lanarkshire - 107
Falkirk - 86
South Lanarkshire - 83
Renfrewshire - 59
West Lothian - 58
Edinburgh - 55
Fife - 46
Aberdeenshire - 39
West Dunbartonshire - 30
Dundee - 27
Stirling - 25
East Lothian - 25
Highland - 24
East Dunbartonshire - 24
North Ayrshire - 23
Aberdeen - 23
East Renfrewshire - 22
Midlothian - 21
Clackmannanshire - 21
Angus - 21
East Ayrshire - 20
Scottish Borders - 19
Perth and Kinross - 19
Inverclyde - 19
Dumfries and Galloway - 17
South Ayrshire - 16
Moray - 15
Argyll and Bute - 15
Na h-Eileanan Siar - 5

[Stairway 2 7]

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You've taken a screenshot showing incomplete information for the day. To get the full league table you'd have to use 'yesterday' or '2 days ago' so that figures are included for all countries (and ships although they are no longer updated).

Not wishing to continue this much further but basically by using the 8,300+ figure you were mixing figures and applying them to the wrong 'league'. A bit like saying Hibs would be second in the English Premier League because of the points we have.

Not wanting to go further either but we're still 23rd if you take from yesterday or 2 days ago. And also your the only one using the 8300 figure I used your 1100 odd. Although we would need to use 8300 if wanting to compare against Belgium sweeden and Spain. If you want football analogy with your figure per million we make the Premier league of highest deaths, England make champions league and there is 9 leagues bellow us

[ballengeich]

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Um... Russia?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/world...valny-2206295/

A current Russian parody site has a government report of only a few hundred at the pro-Navalny demo but 5000 arrests.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/t...passports.html

Lots of papers this side of the Atlantic too are talking up vaccine passports. 10% of world economy and 15% of employment comes from tourism so vital but also risky

[Jones28]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/t...passports.html

Lots of papers this side of the Atlantic too are talking up vaccine passports. 10% of world economy and 15% of employment comes from tourism so vital but also risky

Inevitable IMO, and necessary until the virus is put on a very very short leash. It could only be for a year or two.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Inevitable IMO, and necessary until the virus is put on a very very short leash. It could only be for a year or two.

Not so sure about that, especially given the inequalities already seen in the roll-out of the vaccines.

It does need, of course, co-operation on the part of all countries. Is that possible?

The other thing that strikes me is that those less well-off countries who rely heavily on tourism (throwing out as examples Cuba, Tanzania and Nepal) will struggle to put the necessary infrastructure in place. One would hope (although not holding my breath) that the financially better-off world would be able to help.

[One Day Soon]

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The offer of the prize is in the post. It's in a blue envelope

Along with a million others, though Jeanne says 500,000 of them aren't being posted now. I look forward to receiving it at the CMO's holiday home address once I'm back from Barnard Castle and have finished clapping for Sir Tom, the NHS and Oor Nikla. I'll need to bypass Wales on the way back because I need to do a full shop, probably best to do that in Ayrshire or Glasgow where restrictions are interpreted as voluntary. I've already had an envelope from Ursula von der Leyen anyway telling me that she really misses me and wishes I hadn't left so soon and could I also please **** right off at the same time for buying the vaccines she wanted. It's curious because I've been getting letters from loads of people - Alister Jack telling me the Army is on offer when when it was already on offer anyway, Nicola Sturgeon writing to me and everyone else in Scotland telling me what we need to do next to combat Covid when she's already on the television every single day anyway telling me the same thing and Boris Johnson on tv most days telling me about everything while managing to communicate nothing sensible. Still, at least there's been UK wide consistency and co-operation on some things: Johnson trying to screw over kids on school meals during Covid and the Scottish Government's pincer action to screw over school kids from poor backgrounds on exam results. We're so different. It's heartening though that Northern Ireland can show us how to co-operate on an invisible EU border, even if they don't agree what invisible colours the invisible border should be painted. The only thing that could make all this worse would be an incessant, low-rent politicisation on all sides.

Have I been locked down too long? Maybe...

[CropleyWasGod]

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Along with a million others, though Jeanne says 500,000 of them aren't being posted now. I look forward to receiving it at the CMO's holiday home address once I'm back from Barnard Castle and have finished clapping for Sir Tom, the NHS and Oor Nikla. I'll need to bypass Wales on the way back because I need to do a full shop, probably best to do that in Ayrshire or Glasgow where restrictions are interpreted as voluntary. I've already had an envelope from Ursula von der Leyen anyway telling me that she really misses me and wishes I hadn't left so soon and could I also please **** right off at the same time for buying the vaccines she wanted. It's curious because I've been getting letters from loads of people - Alister Jack telling me the Army is on offer when when it was already on offer anyway, Nicola Sturgeon writing to me and everyone else in Scotland telling me what we need to do next to combat Covid when she's already on the television every single day anyway telling me the same thing and Boris Johnson on tv most days telling me about everything while managing to communicate nothing sensible. Still, at least there's been UK wide consistency and co-operation on some things: Johnson trying to screw over kids on school meals during Covid and the Scottish Government's pincer action to screw over school kids from poor backgrounds on exam results. We're so different. It's heartening though that Northern Ireland can show us how to co-operate on an invisible EU border, even if they don't agree what invisible colours the invisible border should be painted. The only thing that could make all this worse would be an incessant, low-rent politicisation on all sides.

Have I been locked down too long? Maybe...

Is it just me that read that in the voice of Janey Godley?

[degenerated]

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Can't be ruled out although we normally hear of those types of workplace outbreaks in the press.

I meant more people travelling to work rather than working at home driving higher incidence rather than outbreaks, some one inconveniently interrupted me about work and I never got round to explaining properly

[Santa Cruz]

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Along with a million others, though Jeanne says 500,000 of them aren't being posted now. I look forward to receiving it at the CMO's holiday home address once I'm back from Barnard Castle and have finished clapping for Sir Tom, the NHS and Oor Nikla. I'll need to bypass Wales on the way back because I need to do a full shop, probably best to do that in Ayrshire or Glasgow where restrictions are interpreted as voluntary. I've already had an envelope from Ursula von der Leyen anyway telling me that she really misses me and wishes I hadn't left so soon and could I also please **** right off at the same time for buying the vaccines she wanted. It's curious because I've been getting letters from loads of people - Alister Jack telling me the Army is on offer when when it was already on offer anyway, Nicola Sturgeon writing to me and everyone else in Scotland telling me what we need to do next to combat Covid when she's already on the television every single day anyway telling me the same thing and Boris Johnson on tv most days telling me about everything while managing to communicate nothing sensible. Still, at least there's been UK wide consistency and co-operation on some things: Johnson trying to screw over kids on school meals during Covid and the Scottish Government's pincer action to screw over school kids from poor backgrounds on exam results. We're so different. It's heartening though that Northern Ireland can show us how to co-operate on an invisible EU border, even if they don't agree what invisible colours the invisible border should be painted. The only thing that could make all this worse would be an incessant, low-rent politicisation on all sides.

Have I been locked down too long? Maybe...

Quality.

[Santa Cruz]

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I meant more people travelling to work rather than working at home driving higher incidence rather than outbreaks, some one inconveniently interrupted me about work and I never got round to explaining properly

aah, I see so public transport, possibly... I'm still thinking hospitals.

[Jones28]

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Not so sure about that, especially given the inequalities already seen in the roll-out of the vaccines.

It does need, of course, co-operation on the part of all countries. Is that possible?

The other thing that strikes me is that those less well-off countries who rely heavily on tourism (throwing out as examples Cuba, Tanzania and Nepal) will struggle to put the necessary infrastructure in place. One would hope (although not holding my breath) that the financially better-off world would be able to help.

Isn't the liklihood going to be that tourism-centric countries like the ones you mention will be coming from countries where vaccinations are going to be more common?

Thats not fair obviously, but it could mean these countries get back on track faster.

And hopefully like you say the rich countries will be able to help administer. Sending the army perhaps?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Isn't the liklihood going to be that tourism-centric countries like the ones you mention will be coming from countries where vaccinations are going to be more common?

Thats not fair obviously, but it could mean these countries get back on track faster.

And hopefully like you say the rich countries will be able to help administer. Sending the army perhaps?

Potentially, but there's a chance that they will be on some sort of blacklist until they have an acceptable level of vaccinations. It's a bit chicken and egg.