Coronavirus

***Ozyhibby*** · 10-01-2021 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

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Or they don't have all the info at present. Would certainly be interested to see the sort of numbers and how they are distributed through the Uk?

They should have been well prepared for recording the data on this given it’s importance. It stinks of cover up.

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***RyeSloan*** · 10-01-2021 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

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I haven't seen the equivalent data for up here yet sorry.

If I had to guess (since I think the vaccine supply is in proportion with each country's population) then we will have had approximately 490,000 vaccine doses delivered up here and the latest data shows we have given just over 113,000 vaccines - if that's correct then it would be just over 23%.

I must stress that's purely guesswork on my part though.

533,000 is the number being quoted for Scotland’s allocation in Jan for the AZ vaccine.

Quite what that means of when in Jan it will be available I’m not sure and that also doesn’t include what might be supplied for the Pfizer vaccine.

Also the AZ roll out does not start in earnest until tomorrow so we’ll need to wait a few days to see what the run rate looks like but basically the number of people vaccinated by the end of the month (incl. the 150k or so to date) will need to be at least half a million I think.

**Sir David Gray** · 10-01-2021 10:29 AM

Lockdown should continue for another 3 months.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...expert-3091057

**Del Boy** · 10-01-2021 10:32 AM

Are people being vaccinated on a Sunday? Surely ffs

**Pretty Boy** · 10-01-2021 10:35 AM

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Lockdown should continue for another 3 months.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...expert-3091057

I don't think that's far removed from what most people are expecting.

We are 9/10 weeks down the line from pubs in the central belt closing for '2 weeks' so it would be very naive to think this time would only be for the originally quoted timescale.

***Pedantic_Hibee*** · 10-01-2021 10:35 AM

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Lockdown should continue for another 3 months.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...expert-3091057

If this is a lockdown I’ll eat my hat. If I am going back into work tomorrow using two buses to get there just to sell windows and doors then I’m not classing this as a lockdown, no chance.

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 10-01-2021 10:35 AM

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Lockdown should continue for another 3 months.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...expert-3091057

Without even opening the link I’m certain that this will be Devi keeping herself relevant?

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 10-01-2021 10:37 AM

A high shielding friend of my mum got her appointment through from Scot NHS today... 31st March.

Absolutely ridiculous.

**Sir David Gray** · 10-01-2021 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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I don't think that's far removed from what most people are expecting.

We are 9/10 weeks down the line from pubs in the central belt closing for '2 weeks' so it would be very naive to think this time would only be for the originally quoted timescale.

Yeah I've prepared myself for things being eased and moving away from the stay at home order from 1st April.

***Allant1981*** · 10-01-2021 10:40 AM

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If this is a lockdown I’ll eat my hat. If I am going back into work tomorrow using two buses to get there just to sell windows and doors then I’m not classing this as a lockdown, no chance.

Yip, no where near like a lockdown compared to last year, I work in Edinburgh but having to go round lothian just now and the roads are not any quieter

***easty*** · 10-01-2021 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by allant1981

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Yip, no where near like a lockdown compared to last year, I work in Edinburgh but having to go round lothian just now and the roads are not any quieter

I’m working from home, but my girlfriend works for the NHS over in Fife, she says the traffic is as busy now as it has ever been.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 10-01-2021 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lee Marvin

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Does anyone know if scotland is getting a mass vaccination centre?

7 now open in England, zero in Scotland (as far as I can tell)

Louisa Jordan?

***Allant1981*** · 10-01-2021 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

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Louisa Jordan?

We currently have 3 confirmed in lothian, 1 in East Lothian, 1 in Central Edinburgh and 1 in West lothian, and will possibly have another 2 to add to the list

***Moulin Yarns*** · 10-01-2021 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Del Boy

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Are people being vaccinated on a Sunday? Surely ffs

Well, I got my flu vaccination on a Sunday

***marinello59*** · 10-01-2021 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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It's quite concerning that the initial worry was that vaccine supply would not be capable of meeting demand.

As it stand it seems, at least in the instances of Wales and Germany, there is supply there, demand is there but the stumbling block is the logistics of actually getting needles into arms. Considering we are still dealing with fairly modest numbers in terms of eligibility it doesn't bode well for vaccinating 1 million plus people a week sometime in the next 3-6 weeks.

The initial phase was always going to be difficult. Care homes are the priority and they have to be visited individually which is extremely time consuming. When we start giving vaccines at dedicated clinics I’m confident we will see a fairly efficient distribution of the vaccine. A lot will have been learned from the much increased take up of the flu vaccine this year. I’m really not that concerned.

***Billy Whizz*** · 10-01-2021 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by allant1981

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We currently have 3 confirmed in lothian, 1 in East Lothian, 1 in Central Edinburgh and 1 in West lothian, and will possibly have another 2 to add to the list

My mums GP a practice has the attached up online
It’s in West Lothian

***Allant1981*** · 10-01-2021 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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My mums GP a practice has the attached up online
It’s in West Lothian

GP practices are not mass vaccination sites

**~~PaulSmith~~** · 10-01-2021 11:22 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-end-year.html

Interesting view now from Dr Ferguson

**Since90+2** · 10-01-2021 11:36 AM

Does it really matter if we have mass vaccination sites or not? If we have lots of smaller sites earmarked that can do the same collectively as a mass site it really doesn't matter. Infact i'd probably feel safer going to a small site than something visited by thousands.

The important thing is we vaccinate as quickly as we possibly can. The size of the sites are not really important.

**Since90+2** · 10-01-2021 11:37 AM

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-end-year.html

Interesting view now from Dr Ferguson

He also claimed at one point it's possible we could end up with 20,000 dead and that would be a "decent outcome" is how I think he put it.

I'm not sure I'd be putting too much emphasis on what he says.

***Billy Whizz*** · 10-01-2021 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by allant1981

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GP practices are not mass vaccination sites

I never said they were, did you read what I posted

***Allant1981*** · 10-01-2021 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Since90+2

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Does it really matter if we have mass vaccination sites or not? If we have lots of smaller sites earmarked that can do the same collectively as a mass site it really doesn't matter. Infact i'd probably feel safer going to a small site than something visited by thousands.

The important thing is we vaccinate as quickly as we possibly can. The size of the sites are not really important.

Size of the site is probably the most important part to getting people done quicker

***Allant1981*** · 10-01-2021 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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I never said they were, did you read what I posted

Yes I read what you posted, not really sure how it was relevant to what I posted though as I was talking about the mass vacc sites

**Since90+2** · 10-01-2021 11:42 AM

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Size of the site is probably the most important part to getting people done quicker

But if we have managed to setup 30 smaller sites that do the same as 1 large site what difference does it make? The important part is the overall capacity to vaccinate, I don't see why the size of the individual sites is important.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 10-01-2021 11:44 AM

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Does it really matter if we have mass vaccination sites or not? If we have lots of smaller sites earmarked that can do the same collectively as a mass site it really doesn't matter. Infact i'd probably feel safer going to a small site than something visited by thousands.

The important thing is we vaccinate as quickly as we possibly can. The size of the sites are not really important.

There's no point if we all have to travel to mass vaccination sites, for me I imagine it would be Dundee, an hours drive each way. Much better to take the vaccine out to the people, like the flu vaccine which was given in the local cottage hospital.

***Allant1981*** · 10-01-2021 11:47 AM

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But if we have managed to setup 30 smaller sites that do the same as 1 large site what difference does it make? The important part is the overall capacity to vaccinate, I don't see why the size of the individual sites is important.

You have to factor in coming in and getting checked in, then the medical check, then coming in for the vaccination and then a waiting area after, small sites like gp practices for example aren't equipped for that, plus having to make sure people are socially distanced as well makes thing a lot harder

***danhibees1875*** · 10-01-2021 11:50 AM

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But if we have managed to setup 30 smaller sites that do the same as 1 large site what difference does it make? The important part is the overall capacity to vaccinate, I don't see why the size of the individual sites is important.

I think what you say makes sense.

At this point, at the beginning of the roll out with the absence of any data it's easy just to take things like mass centres as being a step in the right direction. It's not that they aren't, but you can get the same results without them (I'd imagine).

I guess it's logistically harder to transport and store the vaccine in a high number of smaller places but it sounds like that was more of an issue with the Pfizer vaccine, the Oxford one should make it easier to do with smaller regional hubs.

**Since90+2** · 10-01-2021 11:53 AM

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You have to factor in coming in and getting checked in, then the medical check, then coming in for the vaccination and then a waiting area after, small sites like gp practices for example aren't equipped for that, plus having to make sure people are socially distanced as well makes thing a lot harder

I'm not disputing that, it's fairly obvious that a smaller site like a GP or dentist will do less than a conference centre. My point is if you have enough small sites collectively that do the same as 1 large site it makes no difference.

A larger mass vaccination site also has the potential for having a huge knock on effect if things go wrong. If you had to shut down a mass site due to an outbreak for example, or a major road is blocked then you have thousands of people impacted. If the same was to happen at an individual GP surgery the overall impact is negligible. Another poster has also made the point that these sites would also require some of the population to travel large distances if a small local site wasn't available.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 10-01-2021 11:56 AM

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You have to factor in coming in and getting checked in, then the medical check, then coming in for the vaccination and then a waiting area after, small sites like gp practices for example aren't equipped for that, plus having to make sure people are socially distanced as well makes thing a lot harder

The flu vaccination program works, I was checked in, got vaccinated and out again in 5 minutes.