Jack Ross

[Winston Ingram]

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Are we going to bring that game up every time he loses? He is basically doomed if we're still holding that against him.

The tactics against Hearts in the home defeat were amateur. Every team was pumping them with pace over the top and he plays 352 and Boyle at wing back. They pressed us so high he was practically right back. Did he change it when it was obviously a problem. Nope.

[Since452]

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A home loss - sorry, home trouncing - against a Hearts team spiralling towards relegation and a cup semi final defeat to Hearts team in the division below aren't acceptable. Sorry.

It's football. These things happen. No choice but to accept it. We lost at home to Hearts, they got relegated. We lost the semi on the flip of a penalty, they didn't win the cup. No damage done other than to our pride. They would absolutely kill to be in our place right now.

[HibeeHibernian4]

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Im always curious what people mean when they say its unacceptable. What do you do to not accept it?

Defeats in football happen, defeats to your biggest rivals, that are painful, unfair or downright dreadful happen.

So do you just walk about with your fingers in your ears, shouting la la la, i dont accept it?

Took the words out of my mouth with this post.

There are quite a few Hibs fans (not really on here but more at the games and in the pubs) who seem to think saying "too many fans accept that pish" means something. Just comes across as posturing. "I don't accept Hibs losing". What does that actually mean? It happened. It will happen again.

[Coco Bryce]

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Took the words out of my mouth with this post.

There are quite a few Hibs fans (not really on here but more at the games and in the pubs) who seem to think saying "too many fans accept that pish" means something. Just comes across as posturing. "I don't accept Hibs losing". What does that actually mean? It happened. It will happen again.

Does it really just say that? Or does it also continue to say '....against Ross County and Livi?'

[hibsbollah]

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Does it really just say that? Or does it also continue to say '....against Ross County and Livi?'

But still, the question is, what does that actually mean?! Those two teams will have quality pros who will always be capable of beating us on occasions. That’s sport. As players and coaches, You can react by making tactical or personnel changes here and there, but throwing away the blueprint, sacking people and in general reacting in an emotional way gets away from the need to be 100% positive that is vital for all sport.

For fans, you can cry and wet the bed every time you lose to a team with a lower budget than you, but that won’t make it any less likely for it to happen. Because it will, even to the best teams. Just because I’m not getting angry on a message board doesn’t mean I’m ‘accepting failure’ or ‘tolerating mediocrity’. I’m just conscious of my blood pressure

[SlickShoes]

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But still, the question is, what does that actually mean?! Those two teams will have quality pros who will always be capable of beating us on occasions. That’s sport. As players and coaches, You can react by making tactical or personnel changes here and there, but throwing away the blueprint, sacking people and in general reacting in an emotional way gets away from the need to be 100% positive that is vital for all sport.

For fans, you can cry and wet the bed every time you lose to a team with a lower budget than you, but that won’t make it any less likely for it to happen. Because it will, even to the best teams. Just because I’m not getting angry on a message board doesn’t mean I’m ‘accepting failure’ or ‘tolerating mediocrity’. I’m just conscious of my blood pressure

I agree with this and I feel like a lot of over the top comments come from people that have never played any competitive sport or its been that long since they did that they have forgotten what it's like to compete.

The other teams in our league are not just there to be beaten, they are actively trying to beat us too and their players are professionals too that are doing their best to win and progress in the sport.

I have played multiple sports and sometimes I am hitting every pass with accuracy and other times its like I'm using someone else's feet or hands. Like the Daryl Horgan conundrum, he was 10/10 brilliant in about 1 out of every 10 games, do people think he was actively setting out to play crap in 9 of those games and just couldn't be bothered? I guess some folk probably do think that.

[Since452]

If Hibs losing is unacceptable then you support the wrong club lol

[Coco Bryce]

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But still, the question is, what does that actually mean?! Those two teams will have quality pros who will always be capable of beating us on occasions. That’s sport. As players and coaches, You can react by making tactical or personnel changes here and there, but throwing away the blueprint, sacking people and in general reacting in an emotional way gets away from the need to be 100% positive that is vital for all sport.

For fans, you can cry and wet the bed every time you lose to a team with a lower budget than you, but that won’t make it any less likely for it to happen. Because it will, even to the best teams. Just because I’m not getting angry on a message board doesn’t mean I’m ‘accepting failure’ or ‘tolerating mediocrity’. I’m just conscious of my blood pressure

Yes I agree sort of. But we shouldn't be getting beat with a team as bad as Ross Co.

Anyway. There is absolutely nothing I will ever read on a football forum that will boil my blood and start foaming at the mouth

[Keith_M]

The last two games were horrendous, as was the last league derby. I think that viewpoint is totally fair and I'd imagine the manager feels the same.

But complaining about an inability to beat Rangers and Celtc? That's a bit of a push, considering how far ahead of the rest of us both clubs are now. Celtc and Rangers haven't lost a single league game against any of the other clubs this season.

In actual fact, we probably have a better record against both of them this season than almost any other club and were only one minute away from beating Celtc.

[J-C]

I have no problem getting beat if the other team is either better or worked hard for the win as long as Hibs put in enough of an effort that you can be happy with, the last 2 performances have been atrocious and hopefully just a blip but it was the half arsed way in which they lost that's gotten people's backs up.

[Allez Hibs]

In the last 25 years, how many Hibs managers have had this much scrutiny of their performance after a year in charge?

[MWHIBBIES]

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In the last 25 years, how many Hibs managers have had this much scrutiny of their performance after a year in charge?

Most of them I'd say? Fenlon, Mixu, Yogi all got slaughtered. Few of the others lasted a year.

[Keith_M]

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In the last 25 years, how many Hibs managers have had this much scrutiny of their performance after a year in charge?

On here? Every single one of them, once they've had a couple of poor results.

[Jones28]

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In the last 25 years, how many Hibs managers have had this much scrutiny of their performance after a year in charge?

Hecky? But that was because we had gone from a half decent start under him to absolutely ****ing awful after a summer.

[Highwayman]

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In the last 25 years, how many Hibs managers have had this much scrutiny of their performance after a year in charge?

Every club manager is always subject to close scrutiny from supporters,media and board.Even Alex Ferguson when Manchester United beat Bayern Munich in Barcelona to win the Champions League was summoned back from a holiday in France for a board meeting where one of the. members accused him of believing he was more important to Manchester United than they were to him.Moral of the tale to club managers is you are never going to please. everybody. no matter what you achieve.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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Yes I agree sort of. But we shouldn't be getting beat with a team as bad as Ross Co.

Anyway. There is absolutely nothing I will ever read on a football forum that will boil my blood and start foaming at the mouth

Do you also think we should never beat Celtic or Rangers? Aberdeen? How about Motherwell or St Johnstone?

[PH91]

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Yes I agree sort of. But we shouldn't be getting beat with a team as bad as Ross Co.

Anyway. There is absolutely nothing I will ever read on a football forum that will boil my blood and start foaming at the mouth

I would expand that to we shouldn't be getting beat by a team as bad as ross county regularly.

We will always drop points to teams below us, as we would expect to take points off those above us, it's the nature of the game. It's about making sure those games where we drop points are few and far between, which Ross has generally done a good job of even if the last 2 performances have been woeful.

[superfurryhibby]

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I would expand that to we shouldn't be getting beat by a team as bad as ross county regularly.

We will always drop points to teams below us, as we would expect to take points off those above us, it's the nature of the game. It's about making sure those games where we drop points are few and far between, which Ross has generally done a good job of even if the last 2 performances have been woeful.

Agree, that is football.

Reading the ON this Day thread and seeing how Turnbull's team who finished second two years in a row managed to lose or draw regularly with bloody East Fife or get defeated in cup competitions, by the likes of Arbroath and Montrose, when they were amongst the favourites to win the competition.

The table doesn't lie, neither do results. We are comfortably fourth. We're clearly having a bad run. Every other team in our league , outside the top three are pretty inconsistent. I fully expect Livi to imminently resort back to winless runs and the like. Currently Hibs are struggling, but the stats from the 20 odd games or so played in the league tell me that Ross will get Hibs back on track.

[Allez Hibs]

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Agree, that is football.

Reading the ON this Day thread and seeing how Turnbull's team who finished second two years in a row managed to lose or draw regularly with bloody East Fife or get defeated in cup competitions, by the likes of Arbroath and Montrose, when they were amongst the favourites to win the competition.

The table doesn't lie, neither do results. We are comfortably fourth. We're clearly having a bad run. Every other team in our league , outside the top three are pretty inconsistent. I fully expect Livi to imminently resort back to winless runs and the like. Currently Hibs are struggling, but the stats from the 20 odd games or so played in the league tell me that Ross will get Hibs back on track.

Wouldn't say Hibs are comfortably 4th,Livingston have two games in hand to get within 3 points.

[Since452]

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Wouldn't say Hibs are comfortably 4th,Livingston have two games in hand to get within 3 points.

That's correct but I'd be amazed if Livingston kept their form up. They've got the new manager bounce. Be interesting to see how they bounce back from a couple of poor results.

[Key West]

Judging Ross on losing to Hearts is unfair, Celtic were 2 up and nearly lost the final to the same opponents.

[superfurryhibby]

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Wouldn't say Hibs are comfortably 4th,Livingston have two games in hand to get within 3 points.

Yes, at the moment we are comfortably 4th. Livi will implode soon enough.

Out of interest, who do they play in these games?

[bingo70]

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Judging Ross on losing to Hearts is unfair, Celtic were 2 up and nearly lost the final to the same opponents.

If he was being judged on one game that would be fair.

It’s the pattern of not being able to win enough big games, allied to that being the same criticism at his previous club that makes people think it’s not a coincidence and isn’t just bad luck.

Im not wanting him sacked though so other people that do, might feel differently

[Andy74]

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If he was being judged on one game that would be fair.

It’s the pattern of not being able to win enough big games, allied to that being the same criticism at his previous club that makes people think it’s not a coincidence and isn’t just bad luck.

Im not wanting him sacked though so other people that do, might feel differently

This ‘big games’ thing is just arbitrary recently made up nonsense though isn’t it?

Our general position and outlook is pretty good but we might as well have some other category to start shipping managers out against.

[bingo70]

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This ‘big games’ thing is just arbitrary recently made up nonsense though isn’t it?

Our general position and outlook is pretty good but we might as well have some other category to start shipping managers out against.

Not really?

I think it’s always something we’ve been aware of since he got very close to success at Sunderland but couldn’t quite get them over the line.

When we beat Hearts at Tynecastle I think those concerns were put on the back burner. The failure to win any big games since then has alarm bells ringing for people I think. If you combine that with losing against the rubbish now as well, I’m not that surprised there’s a bit of unrest growing.

[JimBHibees]

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Yes, at the moment we are comfortably 4th. Livi will implode soon enough.

Out of interest, who do they play in these games?

Think it is Celtic and Aberdeen

[Andy74]

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Not really?

I think it’s always something we’ve been aware of since he got very close to success at Sunderland but couldn’t quite get them over the line.

When we beat Hearts at Tynecastle I think those concerns were put on the back burner. The failure to win any big games since then has alarm bells ringing for people I think. If you combine that with losing against the rubbish now as well, I’m not that surprised there’s a bit of unrest growing.

Can you let me see a list of big games please?

[bingo70]

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Can you let me see a list of big games please?

Absolutely not.

Don’t care anywhere near enough to go through all his games as manager. I think someone said it was 2 wins in 14 though.

The big fixtures, if that’s what you mean though are the games against Rangers, Celtic, hearts, Aberdeen plus semi finals and finals of cup competitions.

[B.H.F.C]

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If he was being judged on one game that would be fair.

It’s the pattern of not being able to win enough big games, allied to that being the same criticism at his previous club that makes people think it’s not a coincidence and isn’t just bad luck.

Im not wanting him sacked though so other people that do, might feel differently

He’s definitely not being judged on one game. Or even the big games. Or even the results because people have been critical even when they were better in the first part of the season.

Same as you, I don’t think it’s time to be sacking him but we need to pick things up a bit.

[HibeeHibernian4]

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Im always curious what people mean when they say its unacceptable. What do you do to not accept it?

Defeats in football happen, defeats to your biggest rivals, that are painful, unfair or downright dreadful happen.

So do you just walk about with your fingers in your ears, shouting la la la, i dont accept it?

Looks like some of Trump's lot might have read your post and got some ideas.