(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Future17]

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I’m sure he says that the Georgia official committed an illegal offence. I suppose that could be considered a threat considering his position.


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Ah right, I understand. Pretty tame by his previous standards IMHO.

[Hibbyradge]

It's clear that Trump wanted the Governor to falsify the election results, but he probably didn't quite say enough to be charged with an offence which would stand up in court.

That he's corrupt is obvious and he shouldn't have been trying to put pressure on like that, but in all likelihood he had Guiliani by his side as he made the call and stayed just on the unprovable side of illegal.

The tape should take some steam out of the Republicans' futile efforts tomorrow to reject Biden's confirmation, but that's about it, imo.

[Callum_62]

It mental that we are living in a time that a tape like that isn't wholly surprising

Absolutely bonkers

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[Bostonhibby]

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It mental that we are living in a time that a tape like that isn't wholly surprising

Absolutely bonkers

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Yep, bizarre that Trump did the call personally but typically arrogant bullying behaviour that he did. Good on the guy for standing up to him.

Even Richard Nixon at least tried to distance the presidency itself from doubtful behaviour or worse but I guess Nixon was just an old fashioned crook who lacked some of Trumps more abhorrent characteristics.

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[neil7908]

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It mental that we are living in a time that a tape like that isn't wholly surprising

Absolutely bonkers

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Yup. Bonkers and terrifying. Trump has his supporters so scared of some bizarre socialist conspiracy he's walking them into a dictatorship (or trying his hardest to at least).

He needs to be prosecuted for any crimes committed after he's out of the White House. If he gets away with his rampant criminal behaviour then the next Trump that comes along is going to be smarter and more competent than him. Which is a very scary prospect for America.

[hibsbollah]

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There is a senate run off election in Georgia on Tuesday for two senators. If the Democrats win both then they take the house and have control of all three branches of govt.


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Sadly that’s incorrect. The three branches of government are executive (President, Democrat), legislative (Senate AND Representatives=Congress, currently split, potentially 50/50 with a Democrat casting vote if both Tuesday results go blue), and judicial (Supreme Court appointed judges, Republican).

The judicial branch will stay GOP controlled for decades because of the number and youth of the Trump nominees. The only way to overturn this veto on progressive legislation is for Biden to nominate a similar number of liberal judges. This could spark a war of new appointees every time a new president comes in and descend the system (either further) into farce. I’m not sure if Biden is that kind of politician.

The legislative branch is likely to be problematic for Biden too, even if both Tuesdays senate races go in his favour. In this scenario it’s a 50/50 split in the senate, but there’s enough ‘corporate Democrats’ who could vote against legislation that they see as going against their interests or the interests of the billionaires that fund their campaigns. This is where overturning the Paris climate control accord or rejigging Obamacare might come unstuck, even before the Supreme Court dinosaurs get involved in picking over the bones.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

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It mental that we are living in a time that a tape like that isn't wholly surprising

Absolutely bonkers

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The Trump Machine will put this down to fake news and then try to discredit the individual who has stood up to the Donald.

[PeeJay]

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The judicial branch will stay GOP controlled for decades because of the number and youth of the Trump nominees. The only way to overturn this veto on progressive legislation is for Biden to nominate a similar number of liberal judges. This could spark a war of new appointees every time a new president comes in and descend the system (either further) into farce. I’m not sure if Biden is that kind of politician.

Think the "heavily-biased nasty Republican" judicial system just overthrew Trump's attempt to overturn the election result? Maybe not as "farcical" as you suggest ...

[AltheHibby]

The mindset of the Trump supporters is to deride everyone who stands up to him as a traitor or communist. And, just so you know, we live in a communist country as defined by one social media post I saw. Apparently, banning citizens from owning assault rifles is the mark of a commie pinko state.

These people are nuts.

[McD]

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Sadly that’s incorrect. The three branches of government are executive (President, Democrat), legislative (Senate AND Representatives=Congress, currently split, potentially 50/50 with a Democrat casting vote if both Tuesday results go blue), and judicial (Supreme Court appointed judges, Republican).

The judicial branch will stay GOP controlled for decades because of the number and youth of the Trump nominees. The only way to overturn this veto on progressive legislation is for Biden to nominate a similar number of liberal judges. This could spark a war of new appointees every time a new president comes in and descend the system (either further) into farce. I’m not sure if Biden is that kind of politician.

The legislative branch is likely to be problematic for Biden too, even if both Tuesdays senate races go in his favour. In this scenario it’s a 50/50 split in the senate, but there’s enough ‘corporate Democrats’ who could vote against legislation that they see as going against their interests or the interests of the billionaires that fund their campaigns. This is where overturning the Paris climate control accord or rejigging Obamacare might come unstuck, even before the Supreme Court dinosaurs get involved in picking over the bones.

there's also been some discussion about changing the legislation for tenure of supreme court judges, a suggestion was 18 years, which would immediate remove a number of the longer tenured judges, and put a couple more on short time remaining.

this was suggested as a means to stop a single president being able to load the Supreme Court towards their party for decades.

[Bristolhibby]

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there's also been some discussion about changing the legislation for tenure of supreme court judges, a suggestion was 18 years, which would immediate remove a number of the longer tenured judges, and put a couple more on short time remaining.

this was suggested as a means to stop a single president being able to load the Supreme Court towards their party for decades.

Agree. Much better option than packing the courts.

Just need the Dems to win the Georgia runoff and we could potentially have statehood for DC and Puerto Rico. That would change the game.

J

[Future17]

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Agree. Much better option than packing the courts.

Just need the Dems to win the Georgia runoff and we could potentially have statehood for DC and Puerto Rico. That would change the game.

J

It's not advantageous for any party to have a monopoly on power. In a country where there are essentially two parties, it's better that the balance is maintained and leadership elected on principles...even if we don't agree with those principles.

[DaveF]

I really hope this nut job is prosecuted if she follows through with her promise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55540155

[Northernhibee]

The big problem that he has is that by saying the amount of votes he needs (what he lost by plus one) it'll be difficult to argue that he wanted a fair recount as opposed to just the right amount of "votes" to be found. Been engrossed in US news networks about this and even if he tries to pardon himself it wouldn't stop a federal investigation at this level apparently.

In other words, best pack your toothbrush Donnie

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[Hibrandenburg]

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The big problem that he has is that by saying the amount of votes he needs (what he lost by plus one) it'll be difficult to argue that he wanted a fair recount as opposed to just the right amount of "votes" to be found. Been engrossed in US news networks about this and even if he tries to pardon himself it wouldn't stop a federal investigation at this level apparently.

In other words, best pack your toothbrush Donnie

I'm not convinced he'd get a free trial, Scotland needs to offer him asylum, a lunatic asylum.

[HibernianJK]

Looks like the Democrats are going to take both of the GA senate seats in the runoff’s.

Wow.

[Northernhibee]

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Looks like the Democrats are going to take both of the GA senate seats in the runoff’s.

Wow.

It’s an interesting one - it’s been so close it goes to show how wildly divided post Trump America is. I think we may see a lot of Republicans ditch Trump now, he’s now toxic if you don’t expect a Don Jr/Ivanka run further down the line.

If they believe Trumpism is the future of the Republican Party then do we see the whole damaging “mass fraud” narrative continue?

[Hibs Class]

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Looks like the Democrats are going to take both of the GA senate seats in the runoff’s.

Wow.

Both seats still regarded as too close to call

[lapsedhibee]

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Both seats still regarded as too close to call

Warnock's seat called.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...erdue-loeffler

[Ozyhibby]

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Looks like the Democrats are going to take both of the GA senate seats in the runoff’s.

Wow.

This is massive news for the democrats. Gives Biden a real chance of getting things done. I can see the republicans tearing their party apart now as the fighting starts over who’s to blame.
Have to say, Biden for all his faults has delivered everything that the democrats dreamed of.


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[hibsbollah]

Tremendous news. It will still be tough to pass some of the legislation around climate change, affordable care and stimulus cheques, Bernie Sanders to chair the Senate Budget Committee is a particular corker

[HibernianJK]

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Both seats still regarded as too close to call

Not sure what your looking at. Virtually all have called Warnocks seat and many are starting to call Ossoff as well.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Not sure what your looking at. Virtually all have called Warnocks seat and many are starting to call Ossoff as well.

Let's hope so, as that would give the Democrats the Senate, in addition to the House and the presidency. Good to see the loonies who have enabled Trump for four years being punished.

[RyeSloan]

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Tremendous news. It will still be tough to pass some of the legislation around climate change, affordable care and stimulus cheques, Bernie Sanders to chair the Senate Budget Committee is a particular corker

Yeah hardly gives them a super majority does it!

But it does give Biden half a chance to get through some of his agenda.

Hard to imagine after the last few years but of the Senate can somehow recover some of its bi-partisanship they might actually be able to craft some legislation that they can agree on.

Seems daft even writing that but ultimately that is what the whole premise of their governing structure is based on...the long trend of polarisation, accelerated to the max under Trump, does them no favours in the end.

Either way seeing the Trumpist GOP taking another beating is pleasing and will hopefully lead to them turning away from his, and his acolytes, rhetoric.

[Hibs Class]

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Not sure what your looking at. Virtually all have called Warnocks seat and many are starting to call Ossoff as well.

It was based initially on latest BBC report at the time I posted, think in the US there was a mix of outlets calling Warnock and others holding off. CNN right now still has Perdue/Ossoff as too close to call and numbers would suggest caution over calling Ossoff yet, but hopefully not too long before he gets over the line

[HibernianJK]

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It was based initially on latest BBC report at the time I posted, think in the US there was a mix of outlets calling Warnock and others holding off. CNN right now still has Perdue/Ossoff as too close to call and numbers would suggest caution over calling Ossoff yet, but hopefully not too long before he gets over the line

I think the major news outlets are trying to hold off to maintain viewership. Ossoff leads by .4% with 55k mail ins to come. I can see why they do it but all the maths election geeks, Dave Wasserman for example, called it a while ago.

Can’t remember him being wrong but hopefully get a definitive answer on that one soon.

[Ronniekirk]

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Warnock's seat called.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...erdue-loeffler

No doubt Trump will come out and day he won it was rigged This Charade getting tiresome but those that turn up on mass with no masks to his last rally calls could well end up literally paying with Thier lives for the Cause
He doesn’t give a ****


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[Renfrew_Hibby]

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It’s an interesting one - it’s been so close it goes to show how wildly divided post Trump America is. I think we may see a lot of Republicans ditch Trump now, he’s now toxic if you don’t expect a Don Jr/Ivanka run further down the line.

If they believe Trumpism is the future of the Republican Party then do we see the whole damaging “mass fraud” narrative continue?

Big danger is that a Trump could run independently from the Republican party and effectively kill off their chances.
The right would be split down the middle between the Republican and Trump candidates allowing the Dems to win without breaking sweat.
Trump would have been called out and ditched ages ago by the likes of Graham and McConnell but their party has been taken over by a gangster family and their cult like followers.

[wookie70]

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Big danger is that a Trump could run independently from the Republican party and effectively kill off their chances.
The right would be split down the middle between the Republican and Trump candidates allowing the Dems to win without breaking sweat.
Trump would have been called out and ditched ages ago by the likes of Graham and McConnell but their party has been taken over by a gangster family and their cult like followers.

I was praying that happened with Farage and Johnson at the last election but "alas" not. Trump is even more self centred that Farage though and has brainwashed so many that he may think he could stand Independently, I hope he does.