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[Santa Cruz]

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That doesn't really explain allowing kids to mix in multiple other settings.

Maybe I missed something, but what multiple settings are open?

[Allant1981]

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Or workers concerned about their mortality might be another way to put it. I have asthma but have never had a letter saying I should screen. I did for the first 12 weeks as the administration was never going to manage getting letters out and asthma was mentioned in the illnesses at the time.

I take steroid inhalers and the guidance says "anyone with severe asthma and who is on regular inhalers and long-termsteroid tablets to control their asthma, for example, Prednisolone or regularinjections". should shield. That reads to me that I should not shield as I don't take tablets regularly but I do need oral steroids a few times a year normally to get my asthma under control. My gut says I should shield and as I am lucky enough to be able to work from home I can.

I have taken the time to try and find this out but not everyone can navigate their way to the guidelines and they still leave some doubt even if you find them. Calling someone who is concerned about attending a workplace that may kill them a "Chancer" is poor in my view. There will be plenty chancers ignoring rules and causing the virus to spread and the law allows then some room to make bad decisions.

I know the person and I know what some people are like so will call them chancers thanks very much, clearly not everyone is the same

[Pretty Boy]

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Maybe I missed something, but what multiple settings are open?

Organised sport for under 12s. Outdoor visitor attractions. Stating under 12s don't count towards the max person limit and don't have to social distance.

[Sir David Gray]

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The more I read from Scot Gov the more it looks like a lot of political spin to close schools.

A stronger, enforceable message to stay at home but there are so many exemptions it seems more like a slightly enhanced tier 4 than anything resembling an actual lockdown.

I'm not against closing schools, far from it. However we were told that was a last resort. Now it seems it was a last resort except for travelling for exercise, under 12s sports, professional sport, travelling for exercise, under 12s mixing in uncontrolled environments, students returning to colleges and unis.........

Yep it's level 4+ rather than a full lockdown resembling last March.

[Scorrie]

FT reporting that schools in England could be closed till Feb half term

[Sir David Gray]

Police Scotland 10 minutes ago;

Our Chief Constable Iain Livingstone has issued a statement following the announcement of the latest #COVID19 restrictions:

"I fully recognise the impact these further restrictions will have on people’s lives.

“However, it is clear that the significant sacrifices being made by people across Scotland are vital to help suppress the spread of coronavirus.

“Our approach throughout the pandemic has not changed. Police Scotland officers will continue to support people to follow the regulations and encourage them to take personal responsibility.

“People should not leave their homes unless for essential purposes. The best way to stay safe is to stay at home.

“Officers and staff have worked exceptionally hard throughout the pandemic to keep people safe and our visible presence will be increased over the coming days and weeks.

“We will have increased patrols in our communities to explain the regulations and to encourage people to do the right thing. Where officers encounter wilful breaches they will act decisively to enforce the law.

“The vast majority of people have stepped up to take responsibility and our determination and collective effort to tackle this virus must now continue in the difficult times ahead.”

[Santa Cruz]

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Organised sport for under 12s. Outdoor visitor attractions. Stating under 12s don't count towards the max person limit and don't have to social distance.

That's all outdoors where risks will be much lower than a pretty crowded classroom where ventilation could be really hard to maintain on a cold winter's day for 6 hours.

I do agree that allowing them to mix in larger numbers doesn't make a lot of sense, I just think they must be more comfortable with the data for that age set as opposed to the data for older kids.

[danhibees1875]

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Hairdressers have been closed for a while?

I assumed they were open in the tier 3 days? So only been shut since boxing day. Otherwise yes, the story doesn't add up.

[Pretty Boy]

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I assumed they were open in the tier 3 days? So only been shut since boxing day. Otherwise yes, the story doesn't add up.

My hairdresser closed on Christmas Eve. They were open throughout tier 3.

[Santa Cruz]

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I know the person and I know what some people are like so will call them chancers thanks very much, clearly not everyone is the same

You can think you know a person, but really nobody knows what level of anxiety a person might be experiencing. A lot of people have hidden disabilities.

[Beefster]

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I assumed they were open in the tier 3 days? So only been shut since boxing day. Otherwise yes, the story doesn't add up.

They were open when we were all in tier 3 (or mine’s was).

[Stairway 2 7]

I'd be pissed off if I was a worker in a zoo or place like Dalkeith County Park. Is it serious or not and is that essential. Security guards and cleaners have highest rate of deaths from this and both needed in these settings. Also 15 under 12 and 2 adults allowed for kids sports, mental

[Allant1981]

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You can think you know a person, but really nobody knows what level of anxiety a person might be experiencing. A lot of people have hidden disabilities.

I've known the person for a very long time and no what he is like so trust me I know, as did his gp but in the broader terms you are correct, you still get chancers though

[Callum_62]

Surely Boris isn't going to announce school closures tonight after his last 24 hours?

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[Callum_62]

Did I hear somethimg about amending what's classed as essential shops?



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[Allant1981]

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Surely Boris isn't going to announce school closures tonight after his last 24 hours?

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Would it shock you? Can't be seen to be outdone by the Scottish government

[wookie70]

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I know the person and I know what some people are like so will call them chancers thanks very much, clearly not everyone is the same

You also said you get chancers everywhere. Did the person you were talking about come to work after going to their GP.

[Santa Cruz]

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Did I hear somethimg about amending what's classed as essential shops?



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Yeah

[Allant1981]

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You also said you get chancers everywhere. Did the person you were talking about come to work after going to their GP.

Yes, and yes you do get chancers everywhere, employers and employees, not sure why you have taken it so personally, unless of course you are the guy that works with me!!

[Sir David Gray]

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Did I hear somethimg about amending what's classed as essential shops?



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There will also be additional measures in relation to businesses, in addition to the tightening of the essential retail definition that took effect from Boxing Day.

The current 1 metre exemption for workplace canteens will end – so canteens will have to ensure that employees sit 2 metres or more apart, rather than 1 metre.

The number of non-essential services which remain open will be further restricted.

Premises which will need to close as a result of these changes will include, for example ski centres, showrooms of larger retailers, and clinics offering cosmetic and aesthetic procedures.

[wookie70]

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Yes, and yes you do get chancers everywhere, employers and employees, not sure why you have taken it so personally, unless of course you are the guy that works with me!!

Perhaps the Union rep in me wanting to defend someone who isn't here to defend themselves and all those others you have deemed to be chancers. I've heard bosses call workers chancers a few times without taking into account what difficulties they have and many of those difficulties are covered by legislation. The advice to see the GP made sense and is fair as was the person returning to work after receiving that advice.

Nothing personal for me just seemed pretty insensitive to suggest there were chancers everywhere given the discussion was about shielding that is in place to potentially save a workers life.

[wookie70]

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There will also be additional measures in relation to businesses, in addition to the tightening of the essential retail definition that took effect from Boxing Day.

The current 1 metre exemption for workplace canteens will end – so canteens will have to ensure that employees sit 2 metres or more apart, rather than 1 metre.

The number of non-essential services which remain open will be further restricted.

Premises which will need to close as a result of these changes will include, for example ski centres, showrooms of larger retailers, and clinics offering cosmetic and aesthetic procedures.

Was there anything about carry out food. It is a sad indictment of a society where McDonalds, KFC etc are deemed essential.

[Radium]

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Primary schools closed but children under 12 can mix? Doesn’t make sense to me!!!

Number of different households travelling to the school.

Pupils themselves, parents/ carers who take them, teachers and other essential staff needed to keep the school going.

Doesn’t matter how controlled it is, there will be loads of contacts.

To stop the spread of the virus, you cut down the number of contacts.

Kids meeting outside the school will have nowhere near the number of contacts that they would have if schools are open.

It is rubbish and will impact on kid’s education, frustrate parents but will slow the spread of the virus.


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[Allant1981]

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Perhaps the Union rep in me wanting to defend someone who isn't here to defend themselves and all those others you have deemed to be chancers. I've heard bosses call workers chancers a few times without taking into account what difficulties they have and many of those difficulties are covered by legislation. The advice to see the GP made sense and is fair as was the person returning to work after receiving that advice.

Nothing personal for me just seemed pretty insensitive to suggest there were chancers everywhere given the discussion was about shielding that is in place to potentially save a workers life.

Again I did not say everyone was a chancer but if you are a union rep you must surely acknowledge that there are employees and employers who will take advantage of every situation, shielding due to covid is no different

[Sir David Gray]

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Was there anything about carry out food. It is a sad indictment of a society where McDonalds, KFC etc are deemed essential.

No I believe takeaways will still be allowed.

[Allant1981]

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No I believe takeaways will still be allowed.

Were they open during the first "lockdown" I know the Chinese near us was open but dunno about mcds etc

[hibee]

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Can play golf, go to the zoo, meet a friend, work in factories and construction, uni's staying open with students coming into halls from all over the world. Under 12s clubs and sports not stopping, exercise wherever you want whenever you want. No really a lockdown but things worse than they have ever been, makes sense

I thought this was another odd exemption, 7 adults can all meet up if they are with young kids.

“Unregulated activities for parents and children under 5 such as baby and toddler groups that take place outdoors are permitted. They are limited to a maximum of 7 adults and unlimited under 5s.”

[wookie70]

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Again I did not say everyone was a chancer but if you are a union rep you must surely acknowledge that there are employees and employers who will take advantage of every situation, shielding due to covid is no different

I know where you are coming from in general but shielding is such a sensitive and personal thing that I would expect workers to err on the side of caution and bosses to understand it will be a very worrying time for some particularly those who may have hidden illnesses. I'll leave it that as there are more important discussions on this thread and this is a bit specific in the grand scheme of things.

[Billy Whizz]

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Were they open during the first "lockdown" I know the Chinese near us was open but dunno about mcds etc

mcds shut for a few weeks to access the situation, similar to a few takeaways as well, during the initial lockdown to mid April

[wookie70]

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Were they open during the first "lockdown" I know the Chinese near us was open but dunno about mcds etc

No, my son works in McDonalds and they were closed for weeks. He is at work today and hasn't heard anything about them closing. There doesn't appear to be major changes from Level 4 in terms of workplaces barring the change of emphasis to "must" work from home if you can