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Lots.

Hibs have been consistently and frustratingly plundered for players and managers by celtic.

What could / would have Jock Stein achieved had he stayed at Hibs?

Celtic werent really to blame for Hibs problems in 1890, although they certainly contributed, and were a major factor.

Hibs have suffered in cup finals more at the hands of Celtic than any other team.

Hibs should have won the Coronation Cup, and its one that really wrankles with me actually.

The 1914 and 23 finals were very much 'irish' affairs, with a sense of camaraderie between the clubs and fans, not to mention that the two managers were brothers (alec and willie maley).

I would say he is wrong on the year of Hibs founding (obviously), wrong on his geography of Edinburgh being where Hibs support comes from and his point about James Connolly is just stupid and without foundation completely.

Harry swann may well have been a dictator, i dont know - but as the discussion on here showed a few weeks back, he was not an uncontroversial character, and as was shown by the same discussion, there were Hibs fans who didnt like him. That obviously doesnt diminish his enormous achievements at Hibs, but i can understand why Celtic fans were/are annoyed or at least puzzled by his behaviour towards their flying of the Tricolour at Parkhead.

I also think he misrepresents the inspiration that Hibs gave to their Glasgow brethren in setting Celtic up.

So like i say, plenty rings true, some is pish - imo.

I agree with everything you say other than Swan and the flag thing. Swan was in charge on the day the vote was passed to ratify a decision made by the Referees Committee, which they had arrived at via a request from the Glasgow Magistrates. Swan was only overseeing a meeting rubber stamping a decision outwith his hands. Remember the decision also covered Rangers flying the Union Flag at Ibrox as well.