Coronavirus

[lord bunberry]

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You’ll have to do your own research on that because I cannae be bothered, but no, not all over Scotland, due to demographics etc. However, I do know that St John’s is fully using its emergency contingency ward for Covid. This wasn’t employed at all during the first lockdown.

Have you read the other posts that show how Covid is spreading in school settings?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing that schools in certain areas could close, but it should only be in areas where it’s absolutely necessary. If an area is put in level 4 and the infection rate isn’t improving then closing schools could be considered. The implications are quite severe when schools close for both the kids and parents and that shouldn’t be forgotten.

[Sir David Gray]

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She has. She has also said if there was evidence that there was any safety concerns with schools she would not hesitate to act and use the contingency plan of blended learning. Then she changed the narrative again, to schools have to remain open at all costs. So, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not convinced by her approach to schools given the constantly changing answers she gives on the odd occasion anyone from the MSM raises the point.

For balance, she's not alone. All 4 nations are taking the same approach. In N.I. before their firebreak lockdown, Michelle O'Neill wanted the schools closed for 4 weeks and had to concede to Arlene Foster who wanted them closed for no more than 2 weeks.
Michael Gove was on the Marr Show last week and when he was asked if schools would stay open, he said yes definitely.
I think Mark Drakeford had senior Secondary pupils learning remotely, but I'm not clear if this was just a short term arrangement.

You'll get no arguments from me on the point in bold.

I personally think schools should only close as an absolute last resort, if we have attempted everything else and we're on the verge of seeing the collapse of the NHS.

[Santa Cruz]

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I’m not necessarily disagreeing that schools in certain areas could close, but it should only be in areas where it’s absolutely necessary. If an area is put in level 4 and the infection rate isn’t improving then closing schools could be considered. The implications are quite severe when schools close for both the kids and parents and that shouldn’t be forgotten.

They couldn't do that for S5/S6 pupils who are due to sit higher exams or there wouldn't be a level playing field, they would all have to learn remotely. From the sounds of what the poster has described is happening to his daughter in a school just now in Glasgow, there already isn't a level playing field. They're not getting a proper education when at school, they're missing out when having to isolate. They've missed months of school and have no experience of sitting exams as they didn't sit Nat 5's. I don't see any exams taking place in the summer if that kind of situation is happening elsewhere, because as rightly pointed out we don't know, it's not being reported in full in the press.

[Santa Cruz]

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You'll get no arguments from me on the point in bold.

I personally think schools should only close as an absolute last resort, if we have attempted everything else and we're on the verge of seeing the collapse of the NHS.

I'd personally see more of a proactive approach as opposed to reacting only when the NHS is on the verge of collapse. Action now would minimise the chances of your nations health system collapsing with major consequences for any kind of treatment for all citizens.

[Peevemor]

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My daughter's have had their 16th and 21st birthdays during this crap. No friends or family but we tried our best. Have promised them a trip to Tenerife once this is all over. I'm sure your daughter will be fine

Cheers, I'm sure she will.

[lord bunberry]

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They couldn't do that for S5/S6 pupils who are due to sit higher exams or there wouldn't be a level playing field, they would all have to learn remotely. From the sounds of what the poster has described is happening to his daughter in a school just now in Glasgow, there already isn't a level playing field. They're not getting a proper education when at school, they're missing out when having to isolate. They've missed months of school and have no experience of sitting exams as they didn't sit Nat 5's. I don't see any exams taking place in the summer if that kind of situation is happening elsewhere, because as rightly pointed out we don't know, it's not being reported in full in the press.

It’s certainly a more complex issue when you get to kids of exam age, but at that age the kids are old enough to be able to stay at home alone and are far more likely to be able to do their school work online. Having younger children being home schooled by their parents means they’re missing out on a proper education.

[Hermit Crab]

There seems a lot of travelling between tiers at the moment. A lot of it non essential shopping trips an the like. Noticed that at work yesterday. It will only get worse as more and more people start their xmas shopping. Face masks appear to "optional" as well, certainly amongst the younger generations.

[Santa Cruz]

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It’s certainly a more complex issue when you get to kids of exam age, but at that age the kids are old enough to be able to stay at home alone and are far more likely to be able to do their school work online. Having younger children being home schooled by their parents means they’re missing out on a proper education.

I would agree with that, it also means parents of younger kids would not be able to work.

[Sir David Gray]

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I'd personally see more of a proactive approach as opposed to reacting only when the NHS is on the verge of collapse. Action now would minimise the chances of your nations health system collapsing with major consequences for any kind of treatment for all citizens.

I honestly don't see how we can close schools but still allow restaurants etc to stay open. The education of children is so important that if we close schools it should be because we're about to enter a full lockdown having failed with other measures.

[jonty]

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There seems a lot of travelling between tiers at the moment. A lot of it non essential shopping trips an the like. Noticed that at work yesterday. It will only get worse as more and more people start their xmas shopping. Face masks appear to "optional" as well, certainly amongst the younger generations.

If people cant follow the rules then they will keep being extended and it will then cover xmas and new year.
people want to celebrate those so I don't understand why they cant see that it needs to be mitigated as much as possible now so they might be able to enjoy it.

[Just Alf]

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If people cant follow the rules then they will keep being extended and it will then cover xmas and new year.
people want to celebrate those so I don't understand why they cant see that it needs to be mitigated as much as possible now so they might be able to enjoy it.

Also leaves the geographic tiers strategy in tatters meaning a one size fits all version instead

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[DH1875]

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If people cant follow the rules then they will keep being extended and it will then cover xmas and new year.
people want to celebrate those so I don't understand why they cant see that it needs to be mitigated as much as possible now so they might be able to enjoy it.

The people not following the rules now won't follow them at Christmas so they don't give a duck.

[Santa Cruz]

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I honestly don't see how we can close schools but still allow restaurants etc to stay open. The education of children is so important that if we close schools it should be because we're about to enter a full lockdown having failed with other measures.

I'm not saying close them, I'm saying senior pupils learning remotely and all others blended learning. It's my personal preference rather than waiting until the NHS looks like it's about to collapse. I understand the importance of education and not having kids in school full time is far from ideal. I just think to reduce case numbers this is where the action needs to be taken, sooner rather than later.

[Just Alf]

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The people not following the rules now won't follow them at Christmas so they don't give a duck.

One of my mates messaged me the other day, wanted to pop round for a visit, was amazed when I told him to bolt!
Little steps, the more of us that take them then maybe the message will spread that little bit wider.

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[superfurryhibby]

A lot of good discussion going on this morning. Differing perspectives and insights and all being carried out respectfully.

I’ve given up on mainstream media, so don’t read newspapers, watch the tv and rarely listen to the radio. These kind of conversations help inform me and keep the balance to the other stuff I do let in (like Double Down News).

[Sir David Gray]

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I'm not saying close them, I'm saying senior pupils learning remotely and all others blended learning. It's my personal preference rather than waiting until the NHS looks like it's about to collapse. I understand the importance of education and not having kids in school full time is far from ideal. I just think to reduce case numbers this is where the action needs to be taken, sooner rather than later.

I think that restaurants, cafes, non-essential shops etc should all be closed before children are taken out of their normal education. They've already missed 3 months of education and missed vital exams and I just think we should try everything else possible before we take them out of school, even partially, again.

To reduce numbers we need to take more action on the idiots having house parties. That's something which is not being taken seriously enough and there should be tougher punishments handed down to those who organise and attend such gatherings.

[stu in nottingham]

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To reduce numbers we need to take more action on the idiots having house parties. That's something which is not being taken seriously enough and there should be tougher punishments handed down to those who organise and attend such gatherings.

Ten thousand pound fines are being handed to people hosting parties over thirty people here, a £200 pound to each guest. There are still huge parties every night, mainly reported in student accommodation. The student who collected the first £10,000 fine had just left a private education costing £30,000 per year. Fine still not paid.

The universities do nothing, apart from come out with the usual mealy-mouthed bull**** about student 'codes of behaviour' and an ultimate threat of expulsion, which never happens. They are actually creating a huge rift between the local community and its visiing students. I think this could create real problems in the future with reprisals.

[Sir David Gray]

Daily Scottish update;

1596 new cases since yesterday
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in hospital
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in intensive care
39 deaths registered since yesterday

[I'm_cabbaged]

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Daily Scottish update;

1596 new cases since yesterday
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in hospital
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in intensive care
39 deaths registered since yesterday

That’s grim reading.

[Billy Whizz]

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Daily Scottish update;

1596 new cases since yesterday
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in hospital
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in intensive care
39 deaths registered since yesterday

That’s a big concerning jump
Be interested to see which areas these are in

[G B Young]

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That’s grim reading.

Hugely disappointing/depressing. We must be on the brink of stricter measures now, at least in the worst affected areas.

[Pretty Boy]

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Hugely disappointing/depressing. We must be on the brink of stricter measures now, at least in the worst affected areas.

Yet again the decision to handle the west with kid gloves looks like a costly mistake. I still can't understand the decision to treat Glasgow so differently to Aberdeen and I still don:t understand the decision to ignore all their own markers and place Lanarkshire in tier 3.

[stuart-farquhar]

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Yet again the decision to handle the west with kid gloves looks like a costly mistake. I still can't understand the decision to treat Glasgow so differently to Aberdeen and I still don:t understand the decision to ignore all their own markers and place Lanarkshire in tier 3.

I wonder why that part of the country is favoured.

I'm convinced if Edinburgh and environs was in that position it would be locked down and the key chucked in the Forth.

[RyeSloan]

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Yet again the decision to handle the west with kid gloves looks like a costly mistake. I still can't understand the decision to treat Glasgow so differently to Aberdeen and I still don:t understand the decision to ignore all their own markers and place Lanarkshire in tier 3.

Because they are taking a cautious approach.

Marking every other area upwards and Glasgow and Lanarkshire downwards.

Not sure how you can’t understand that logic.

[Sir David Gray]

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 342
South Lanarkshire - 202
North Lanarkshire - 164
Renfrewshire - 117
West Lothian - 85
Edinburgh - 76
Fife - 75
North Ayrshire - 49
East Renfrewshire - 49
East Ayrshire - 45
East Dunbartonshire - 36
Stirling - 35
Dundee - 35
Inverclyde - 28
West Dunbartonshire - 27
Perth and Kinross - 26
Falkirk - 24
South Ayrshire - 23
Angus - 22
Dumfries and Galloway - 21
Aberdeenshire - 19
Scottish Borders - 18
Midlothian - 15
East Lothian - 12
Highland - 11
Argyll and Bute - 9
Aberdeen - 8
Clackmannanshire - 7
Moray - 2
Orkney - 1

[Sir David Gray]

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Yet again the decision to handle the west with kid gloves looks like a costly mistake. I still can't understand the decision to treat Glasgow so differently to Aberdeen and I still don:t understand the decision to ignore all their own markers and place Lanarkshire in tier 3.

Must be that sophisticated approach in operation again.

[Sir David Gray]

24,957 cases and 413 deaths registered in the UK today.

[Jack]

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24,957 cases and 413 deaths registered in the UK today.

The world has been running at around 600,000+ per day for about a week now, Europe making up around half of that.

[Barney McGrew]

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Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 342
South Lanarkshire - 202
North Lanarkshire - 164
Renfrewshire - 117
West Lothian - 85
Edinburgh - 76
Fife - 75
North Ayrshire - 49
East Renfrewshire - 49
East Ayrshire - 45
East Dunbartonshire - 36
Stirling - 35
Dundee - 35
Inverclyde - 28
West Dunbartonshire - 27
Perth and Kinross - 26
Falkirk - 24
South Ayrshire - 23
Angus - 22
Dumfries and Galloway - 21
Aberdeenshire - 19
Scottish Borders - 18
Midlothian - 15
East Lothian - 12
Highland - 11
Argyll and Bute - 9
Aberdeen - 8
Clackmannanshire - 7
Moray - 2
Orkney - 1

West Lothian isn’t looking clever, I’d expect us to be put into Tier 4 along with Lanarkshire if there’s any upward movement after the review on Tuesday.

[jonty]

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West Lothian isn’t looking clever, I’d expect us to be put into Tier 4 along with Lanarkshire if there’s any upward movement after the review on Tuesday.

Im surprised Fife hasnt been moved up to Tier 3 to be honest.