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[CloudSquall]

Will we ever learn...

The last time we were going to gub them we had grown men almost in tears on here absolutely soiling themselves at the thought that Stendel had revolutionised football with his unstoppable "high press", so mighty that it got them gubbed and relegated by St Mirren the week after.

[Sean1875]

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That 1-3 was the angriest I’ve ever came away from a match for the reasons you state.

They just completely out fought us and wanted it so much more. I hope JR learned a lot from that game and we never are a timid in a derby again.

Likewise, considering some of the derby performances weve been through as Hibs fans, that personally to me was the worst derby display I can remember seeing. Just had absolutely no passion, desire, fight or anything positive at all for that matter. Will hopefully serve as a reminder to not only the players but to us fans to never ever take derbys for granted.

[matty_f]

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Yup. Unless Matty means literally every single player is better. But we’ve had a better first 11 for at least 5 years now.

Hearts fans could maybe argue Smith better than McGinn, Halkett better than Porteous or Hanlon but even they two are highly debatable.

Marciano

One of Hanlon or Porto (or imo both)
Stevenson

Gogic
Newell
Boyle
Murphy

Nisbet
Doidge

Would all walk into their starting 11. And then you could also throw in Allan and Magennis and potentially even a few others.

Genuinely think we’re arguably better in every position with 2 or 3 on the bench who are still better than what they have starting. Only player I could accept an argument for would be Michael Smith but even then we’ve got the ever dependable McGinn.

Yeah I think we've had better teams (don't think even they could argue that) but I don't think we've had position for position the best team for a long time (as in none of their players would get into our eleven).

There probably have been a few times where that's been the case, but not many.

Conversely, I don't think Hearts have been position for position better than us in that period either, we've always had a couple of players that would get into their first team.

[Since452]

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Likewise, considering some of the derby performances weve been through as Hibs fans, that personally to me was the worst derby display I can remember seeing. Just had absolutely no passion, desire, fight or anything positive at all for that matter. Will hopefully serve as a reminder to not only the players but to us fans to never ever take derbys for granted.

Hearts did to us what we did to them when they had Neilson managing them. Utterly depressing

[The 90+2]

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Yeah I think we've had better teams (don't think even they could argue that) but I don't think we've had position for position the best team for a long time (as in none of their players would get into our eleven).

There probably have been a few times where that's been the case, but not many.

Conversely, I don't think Hearts have been position for position better than us in that period either, we've always had a couple of players that would get into their first team.

Naismith for his experience and I can say 100% hand on heart nobody else. Before anyone suggests plukey, Lennon or slippy G would agree and have Marciano. We even have a much, much better manager.

[The 90+2]

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Hearts did to us what we did to them when they had Neilson managing them. Utterly depressing

Jack Ross underestimated them being bottom of the league *****. It won’t happen again.

[matty_f]

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Naismith for his experience and I can say 100% hand on heart nobody else. Before anyone suggests plukey, Lennon or slippy G would agree and have Marciano. We even have a much, much better manager.

I don't think any of their first eleven get in our team at the moment, from goalkeeper right through to striker.

[Bostonhibby]

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They've struggled with that money. They had access to more funds than the combined total of Killie, Ross County, St Mirren and Hamilton but still ended up four points adrift of the worst of them. In addition they still haven't finished the £10m stand despite spending £24m on it.

Tom English keeps telling us that Budge is a successful businesswoman but the evidence strongly suggests otherwise.

Please don't introduce the concept of evidence of her actual performance with all that money into the debate.

She stated she spent specifically to avoid relegation and that should be good enough for us.

Budge must, simply must, stay.

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[Saint Hibee]

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Jack Ross underestimated them being bottom of the league *****. It won’t happen again.

I really, really hope not. I have to say that Ross’s post-match comments really disturbed me. He just didn’t seem to think that losing a derby to the worst Hearts team in living memory was that big a deal.

[green day]

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I really, really hope not. I have to say that Ross’s post-match comments really disturbed me. He just didn’t seem to think that losing a derby to the worst Hearts team in living memory was that big a deal.

I wouldnt put too much store by that.

Managers post match comments are rarely an accurate reflection on the events, many times they are designed not to deflate already upset players - even more so after losing a derby.

[matty_f]

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I really, really hope not. I have to say that Ross’s post-match comments really disturbed me. He just didn’t seem to think that losing a derby to the worst Hearts team in living memory was that big a deal.

I don't think anyone at the club will be under any illusions about the importance of this game.

Opportunities to right wrongs don't come along often. We know the record we have against them at Hampden and our last two trips to face them there have been disastrous.

The club have built up a huge amount of goodwill with the fans on and off the park since we last played, but there shouldn't be any doubt about how quickly that can be lost if we don't turn up for this game.

You can argue all day about whether it's right or wrong to rest everything like that on one game, but there's no denying that a bad result for Hibs will set the club back significantly.

A good result, though, will propel us forward - a cup final to look forward, the top team in the city in emphatic fashion, and a real buzz amongst the fans - that's what's at stake.

[Smartie]

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I really, really hope not. I have to say that Ross’s post-match comments really disturbed me. He just didn’t seem to think that losing a derby to the worst Hearts team in living memory was that big a deal.

Yeah, I agree.

Don't get me wrong - I really like Ross and I'm 100% behind him but he was all over the shop at that derby. I don't like to hear "just another game" stuff. You don't hear that from them - you get "never, ever, lose to Hibs" and their good record in derbies is down to how seriously they take it. They've had pish teams punch way above their weight against better Hibs sides often in the past as a result. It's also helped a horrific manager like Levein buy himself a lot more time than he was actually due.

This game is massive, and needs to be treated as such. Hibs played that game like it was "just another game" and got exactly what they deserved.

They better not make the same mistake again.

We do have a few players ideally suited to a derby now that we didn't have in March. Gogic is the type of player that could own the game the way Bartley did, and having a player like Nisbet who can combine a potent scoring threat with comfortably being able to do the ugly stuff will be massive. And in a game where the first goal is always significant, having a solid defence who are standing up strong will be huge too.

[Smartie]

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I wouldnt put too much store by that.

Managers post match comments are rarely an accurate reflection on the events, many times they are designed not to deflate already upset players - even more so after losing a derby.

I was far too half-arsed and I wasn't impressed.

Tears and snotters or throwing the players under the bus might be a bit undignified but we needed a bit more than that after such a passive performance.

[EI255]

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Yeah, I agree.

Don't get me wrong - I really like Ross and I'm 100% behind him but he was all over the shop at that derby. I don't like to hear "just another game" stuff. You don't hear that from them - you get "never, ever, lose to Hibs" and their good record in derbies is down to how seriously they take it. They've had pish teams punch way above their weight against better Hibs sides often in the past as a result. It's also helped a horrific manager like Levein buy himself a lot more time than he was actually due.

This game is massive, and needs to be treated as such. Hibs played that game like it was "just another game" and got exactly what they deserved.

They better not make the same mistake again.

We do have a few players ideally suited to a derby now that we didn't have in March. Gogic is the type of player that could own the game the way Bartley did, and having a player like Nisbet who can combine a potent scoring threat with comfortably being able to do the ugly stuff will be massive. And in a game where the first goal is always significant, having a solid defence who are standing up strong will be huge too.

Totally agree with this.

One thing we need to be extra careful of is getting a man sent off early. They will thump, rush, kick and shove their way through this and target likely Hibs men who might react. Jack needs to let the players be aware of this. Especially those who haven't played in a game like this before.

Its a pity, but you just KNOW Hearts will make an ugly battle of this as they try to overcome the bigger team.

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[coldingham hibs]

Watched the game last night. I didn’t think Hearts played very well but should probably have been a couple of goals up by HT. Penalty was very dubious.

By full-time I thought Inverness had done enough to warrant a draw, they looked the stronger side at the end which was really surprising.

Hearts winger looks good going forward putting in a number of decent crosses but cannot defend at all.

Hearts defence was really poor and I thought a few players were carrying a bit excess timber.

Once they made a few substitutions they looked totally disjointed, maybe new players not knowing their jobs.

Personally I’d see Hibs comfortably beating them based on quality & sharpness. Things may change though.

Funnily enough I had a look at Keekback and they seemed to think it was a good performance, that would concern me if it was Hibs I was watching.

[mal]

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Naismith for his experience and I can say 100% hand on heart nobody else.

Who would you drop from the Hibs starting line-up to accommodate Naismith?

A lot of the comments I've seen from over the road would tend to suggest that he shouldn't be in their starting eleven never mind ours.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Who would you drop from the Hibs starting line-up to accommodate Naismith?

A lot of the comments I've seen from over the road would tend to suggest that he shouldn't be in their starting eleven never mind ours.

Tam McCourt?

[matty_f]

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Who would you drop from the Hibs starting line-up to accommodate Naismith?

A lot of the comments I've seen from over the road would tend to suggest that he shouldn't be in their starting eleven never mind ours.

There are not any circumstances that I can contemplate where I would put Naismith in the Hibs team ahead of Doidge or Nisbet.

[JohnMcM]

It's been four decades and more since I've felt really confident about easily winning a derby match. Let me assure you that this time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing has changed.

[G B Young]

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I really, really hope not. I have to say that Ross’s post-match comments really disturbed me. He just didn’t seem to think that losing a derby to the worst Hearts team in living memory was that big a deal.

Depends how long you've been living I guess. I've seen a few worse ones, in particular the late 70s versions which got relegated three times.

But yes, losing that derby in the manner we did was shocking. I was stunned by how badly we played.

[RitchieHibs]

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There are not any circumstances that I can contemplate where I would put Naismith in the Hibs team ahead of Doidge or Nisbet.

Completely agree. He's a horrible wee **** to boot. Can't stand him. His attitude to opposition players and teams is totally disrespectful, he's a snidey wee git not afraid to leave the boot in and deliberately injure players. He's never worth the wages he'll be on and it'll not be long again before he's back on the treatment table with his injury track record. Not Hibs class, never was.

[jacomo]

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The Halkett incident has bad optics, but at virtually every other ground in Scotland, Halkett is on the turf and isn't clattering into advertising hoardings at the front of the stand and it's a yellow.

You have to wonder if there are players in Scottish football looking at that incident and questioning their safety playing at Tynecastle, clattering into the stands could cause some serious injuries.

As the Pie Man said nearly 20 years ago: Tynecastle is not fit for purpose.

[calumhibee1]

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There are not any circumstances that I can contemplate where I would put Naismith in the Hibs team ahead of Doidge or Nisbet.

Absolutely no chance. Naismith is nowhere near the level of Doidge is Nisbet anymore.

[Gmack7]

Apparently the coveted number 9 shirt is still available. BIG BIG signing to fill it

[jonty]

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Apparently the coveted number 9 shirt is still available. BIG BIG signing to fill it

Nade?

[Onion]

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Will we ever learn...

The last time we were going to gub them we had grown men almost in tears on here absolutely soiling themselves at the thought that Stendel had revolutionised football with his unstoppable "high press", so mighty that it got them gubbed and relegated by St Mirren the week after.

There are two Hearts teams; one used for training, selection, and preparation that doesn't give a toss about winning games, trophies or Europe. And one that runs out against Hibs.

Essentially, James Anderson FOH and unsuspecting charities, small businesses and EDC are pumping in millions to try win 4 games a season. That's why they're so pissed about being relegated.

[660]

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Apparently the coveted number 9 shirt is still available. BIG BIG signing to fill it

Are they retiring it in honour of the number of attempts they had at reconstruction

[Since452]

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There are two Hearts teams; one used for training, selection, and preparation that doesn't give a toss about winning games, trophies or Europe. And one that runs out against Hibs.

Essentially, James Anderson FOH and unsuspecting charities, small businesses and EDC are pumping in millions to try win 4 games a season. That's why they're so pissed about being relegated.

They are so utterly obsessed and consumed with beating us everything else goes to **** and they sit in the Championship with Arbroath boasting about their derby record that nobody really gives a toss about.

[Since452]

It will be just our luck to have Boyle, Gogic and Nisbet having to self isolate just before the semi

[Iggy Pope]

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They are so utterly obsessed and consumed with beating us everything else goes to **** and they sit in the Championship with Arbroath boasting about their derby record that nobody really gives a toss about.

Not quite nobody.