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[green day]

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they got relegated last season yet still beat us twice on our own turf (the second one was a bit of a pumping too)

their (and our) performances against other teams will mean nothing come Halloween

We are a very different team to last season.

While no games are a given we are much more solid than last year, we have better players than Hearts in every position and I feel quietly confident about this one.

[Aldo]

We need to ensure we don’t let what happened last time happen again.


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[147lothian]

I recon Gogic is going to play a big part in this one, and with it being a big pitch at Hampden I would like to see Murphy and Boyle playing on each wing to stretch them

[BoomtownHibees]

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I recon Gogic is going to play a big part in this one, and with it being a big pitch at Hampden I would like to see Murphy and Boyle playing on each wing to stretch them

Although about double the size of the Tynecastle 5 a side pitch, Hampden has exactly the same dimensions as Easter Road. Agree with playing the 2 players you mention

[hibbyfraelibby]

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I recon Gogic is going to play a big part in this one, and with it being a big pitch at Hampden I would like to see Murphy and Boyle playing on each wing to stretch them

Hampden isn't a big pitch. It's no bigger than Easter Road.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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We are a very different team to last season.

While no games are a given we are much more solid than last year, we have better players than Hearts in every position and I feel quietly confident about this one.

Whilst I agree, I remember seeing the two line ups before the 1-3 game last season and thinking how much stronger we were all over the pitch. Then we got pumped. We will need to be on top form.

[Dashing Bob S]

That 1-3 defeat was worse than 0-4 or 1-5 in my mind. Although the stakes were far lower, my expectations were much higher. It was a level playing field, we were at home against a crap, non-financially doped Hearts team, who we had dominated at Tynecastle and who literally could no buy a win. I expected us to ease home comfortably.

But we were not only outfought, we were outplayed in a brilliant Hearts performance, where Stendel got his high press tactics spot on.

Yes, we should win at Hampden, but we 'should have' won back then. It's losable tie if we don't shape up. Focus and aggression will be important. We will have to fight hard for the right to play football in this game. If we get an early goal we could hurt them badly. If not, it could be a bitter slog.

[Hibstrooper]

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That 1-3 defeat was worse than 0-4 or 1-5 in my mind. Although the stakes were far lower, my expectations were much higher. It was a level playing field, we were at home against a crap, non-financially doped Hearts team, who we had dominated at Tynecastle and who literally could no buy a win. I expected us to ease home comfortably.

But we were not only outfought, we were outplayed in a brilliant Hearts performance, where Stendel got his high press tactics spot on.

Yes, we should win at Hampden, but we 'should have' won back then. It's losable tie if we don't shape up. Focus and aggression will be important. We will have to fight hard for the right to play football in this game. If we get an early goal we could hurt them badly. If not, it could be a bitter slog.

That 1-3 was the angriest I’ve ever came away from a match for the reasons you state.

They just completely out fought us and wanted it so much more. I hope JR learned a lot from that game and we never are a timid in a derby again.

[S4uzee]

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That 1-3 was the angriest I’ve ever came away from a match for the reasons you state.

They just completely out fought us and wanted it so much more. I hope JR learned a lot from that game and we never are a timid in a derby again.

Totally agree. Always felt that game was maybe a good thing prior to the semi final.

I do think hearts have a better squad now though with vast experience

[Jones28]

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That 1-3 was the angriest I’ve ever came away from a match for the reasons you state.

They just completely out fought us and wanted it so much more. I hope JR learned a lot from that game and we never are a timid in a derby again.

I remember being totally shell-shocked, it was our worst derby performance for a long long time.

We got our formation wrong too, Hearts doubled up on our wingbacks and constantly overlapped.

[cocteautwin]

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That 1-3 defeat was worse than 0-4 or 1-5 in my mind. Although the stakes were far lower, my expectations were much higher. It was a level playing field, we were at home against a crap, non-financially doped Hearts team, who we had dominated at Tynecastle and who literally could no buy a win. I expected us to ease home comfortably.

But we were not only outfought, we were outplayed in a brilliant Hearts performance, where Stendel got his high press tactics spot on.

Yes, we should win at Hampden, but we 'should have' won back then. It's losable tie if we don't shape up. Focus and aggression will be important. We will have to fight hard for the right to play football in this game. If we get an early goal we could hurt them badly. If not, it could be a bitter slog.

They have extra income of around £3m each year from James Anderson currently.

[ddoc]

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I wouldn’t take anything at all from that tonight. We didn’t look great in our first game and they’ll undoubtedly be up for it.

They will go into this game with a point to proof, with no better way of making it than beating us in semi.
As far as they are concerned their relegation should never have happened and they should be challenging for that coveted third spot in the SPL, and a win would validate all the crap they put out on how they would have played their way out of the bottom spot.
Going into a game against them as the favourites always makes me nervous and I will likely stay that way until we are 4 - 0 up.

[EI255]

Fantastic result for Fartz last night.

What a team!

[EI255]

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They have extra income of around £3m each year from James Anderson currently.

Without that they'd struggle. Big time.

Proves how fragile a club they really are.

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[FilipinoHibs]

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That 1-3 was the angriest I’ve ever came away from a match for the reasons you state.

They just completely out fought us and wanted it so much more. I hope JR learned a lot from that game and we never are a timid in a derby again.

Their high press game worked that day. We had no time on the ball and could barely string two passes together. Neilson's tactics will be very different. Hopefully, we are better prepared this time.

[matty_f]

We have no excuses for the semi final.

We’ve been playing competitive football at a high level for months now, they are just starting and playing lower level.

We have spent money on a strong first team and, probably for the first time that i can remember, player for player i would put our eleven ahead of theirs.

I rate our manager higher than their manager as well.

Everything is in our favour going into this one, our form is excellent as well.

The only thing, and it is significant, that Hearts have is that sense of injustice and what i would imagine is a hugely powerful motivational factor of wanting to put things right for their fans.

We need to have something that gives us that same fire in our bellies as if we match their desire and work rate, we will hammer them on quality.

[04Sauzee]

Some discussion on whether Hearts should have had a player red carded here.

https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...126870017?s=19

[worcesterhibby]

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They have extra income of around £3m each year from James Anderson currently.

Yes but to be fair, it's his money to give them if he wants to. We wouldn't consider it "doping" if a Hibs fan won the Euro lottery and decided to give the club a few milliin a year. In the past, they have relied on borrowing money they couldn't afford and in the Vlad days they had an owner who was a crook spending other peoples money and basically stealing from people to fund their 1st team.

Budge is a lot of things, but she's not a thief and Anderson is perfectly entitled to give his money to whoever he wants. Thankfully Anne, Levein and Stendel were very, very good at squandering it...but I suspect Neilson will be a much more astute manager in the long term.

[calumhibee1]

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Some discussion on whether Hearts should have had a player red carded here.

https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...126870017?s=19

Wightons is a red every day of the week. You can’t deliberately kick someone in the head, no matter how ‘softly’ you do it.

The one on Halkett certainly isn’t clever but I don’t think it’s a red. Any other stadium he wouldn’t have went flying into the boards which are ridiculously close to the pitch. A stonewall yellow, a red would be a stretch for me though.

[Andy74]

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Whilst I agree, I remember seeing the two line ups before the 1-3 game last season and thinking how much stronger we were all over the pitch. Then we got pumped. We will need to be on top form.

They underperformed scandalously across the whole season but for that game they actually managed to put together a team that was actually pretty good. When they had Washington, Boyce, Clare, Naismith all available at the same time they were certainly a trickier prospect.

Of course we seemed to collectively have a nightmare which didn’t help but that Hearts team were more dangerous than one they could put out now.

[The Modfather]

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Wightons is a red every day of the week. You can’t deliberately kick someone in the head, no matter how ‘softly’ you do it

It’s more of a punishments making him play than it would be to suspend him 😀

[easty]

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Yes but to be fair, it's his money to give them if he wants to. We wouldn't consider it "doping" if a Hibs fan won the Euro lottery and decided to give the club a few milliin a year. In the past, they have relied on borrowing money they couldn't afford and in the Vlad days they had an owner who was a crook spending other peoples money and basically stealing from people to fund their 1st team.

Budge is a lot of things, but she's not a thief and Anderson is perfectly entitled to give his money to whoever he wants. Thankfully Anne, Levein and Stendel were very, very good at squandering it...but I suspect Neilson will be a much more astute manager in the long term.

nothing wrong with Anderson giving them money. It's his money.

[easty]

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Some discussion on whether Hearts should have had a player red carded here.

https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...126870017?s=19

Wighton should have been given a red, I'd never want him to be suspended though...terrible player!

Definitely should have been a yellow for Storey, nothing more.

[Since452]

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Whilst I agree, I remember seeing the two line ups before the 1-3 game last season and thinking how much stronger we were all over the pitch. Then we got pumped. We will need to be on top form.

Absolutely. Although we are the far superior team with better players I want us to go out as if we're playing Celtic or Rangers. Need to fully concentrate and play out out skin. If we do we'll be in the final no doubt about it..

[McSwanky]

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Some discussion on whether Hearts should have had a player red carded here.

https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...126870017?s=19

I think Mikey Stewart might be wishing he hadn't dug his heels in so hard with that one, there's 2 sending off offences there for me, raking his studs down the ICT player's groin, then flicking his boot in his face.

I do think the other one is a red card as well though, was pretty dangerous (more so in that **** hole of a stadium given the proximity of the hoardings).

[Caversham Green]

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Without that they'd struggle. Big time.

Proves how fragile a club they really are.

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They've struggled with that money. They had access to more funds than the combined total of Killie, Ross County, St Mirren and Hamilton but still ended up four points adrift of the worst of them. In addition they still haven't finished the £10m stand despite spending £24m on it.

Tom English keeps telling us that Budge is a successful businesswoman but the evidence strongly suggests otherwise.

[WhileTheChief..]

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We have no excuses for the semi final.

We’ve been playing competitive football at a high level for months now, they are just starting and playing lower level.

We have spent money on a strong first team and, probably for the first time that i can remember, player for player i would put our eleven ahead of theirs.

I rate our manager higher than their manager as well.

Everything is in our favour going into this one, our form is excellent as well.

The only thing, and it is significant, that Hearts have is that sense of injustice and what i would imagine is a hugely powerful motivational factor of wanting to put things right for their fans.

We need to have something that gives us that same fire in our bellies as if we match their desire and work rate, we will hammer them on quality.

Really? That’s pretty depressing.

I think we have had far better teams than them at times over the last 30+ years.

The last time they had a better squad than us was back in Vlad’s days.

[calumhibee1]

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Really? That’s pretty depressing.

I think we have had far better teams than them at times over the last 30+ years.

The last time they had a better squad than us was back in Vlad’s days.

Yup. Unless Matty means literally every single player is better. But we’ve had a better first 11 for at least 5 years now.

Hearts fans could maybe argue Smith better than McGinn, Halkett better than Porteous or Hanlon but even they two are highly debatable.

Marciano

One of Hanlon or Porto (or imo both)
Stevenson

Gogic
Newell
Boyle
Murphy

Nisbet
Doidge

Would all walk into their starting 11. And then you could also throw in Allan and Magennis and potentially even a few others.

Genuinely think we’re arguably better in every position with 2 or 3 on the bench who are still better than what they have starting. Only player I could accept an argument for would be Michael Smith but even then we’ve got the ever dependable McGinn.

[HFC 0-7]

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Some discussion on whether Hearts should have had a player red carded here.

https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/...126870017?s=19

Mickey Stewart is a fud. The challenge on Halkett only look bad because of their ****ty pitch which is so close to the advertisements boards.

[Ryan91]

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Wightons is a red every day of the week. You can’t deliberately kick someone in the head, no matter how ‘softly’ you do it.

The one on Halkett certainly isn’t clever but I don’t think it’s a red. Any other stadium he wouldn’t have went flying into the boards which are ridiculously close to the pitch. A stonewall yellow, a red would be a stretch for me though.

The Halkett incident has bad optics, but at virtually every other ground in Scotland, Halkett is on the turf and isn't clattering into advertising hoardings at the front of the stand and it's a yellow.

You have to wonder if there are players in Scottish football looking at that incident and questioning their safety playing at Tynecastle, clattering into the stands could cause some serious injuries.