The generic Hearts thread

[Orchard_Hibs]

I love the fact they think Anderson is bank rolling their legal challenges, squad etc. When in reality he paid a fair bit of their over priced stand with the stipulation it had large amounts of community space. And his 5 year commitment Is based around their community side, not the playing side.

[660]

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Whole thing doesn't sit well with me.
She is correct in stating that it is behavioural issues with players at top clubs.
This has stopped the ability of every adult in Scotland to have football training in groups of 5 with no physical contact and social distancing, we've been building up and young men getting healthier physically and mentally having this training but now it's bang we can't trust pampered footballers to behave themselves so we stop everyone else but them!
Points deduction for Celtic and Aberdeen, same for any club in future causing games to be postponed for same reason. Guaranteed not a single player would step out of line, clubs have to be held responsible for their employees.
I'll say the same if Hibs players are involved.

Get a nice big crayon and write this down: football isn’t that important.

[A Hi-Bee]

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Whole thing doesn't sit well with me.
She is correct in stating that it is behavioural issues with players at top clubs.
This has stopped the ability of every adult in Scotland to have football training in groups of 5 with no physical contact and social distancing, we've been building up and young men getting healthier physically and mentally having this training but now it's bang we can't trust pampered footballers to behave themselves so we stop everyone else but them!
Points deduction for Celtic and Aberdeen, same for any club in future causing games to be postponed for same reason. Guaranteed not a single player would step out of line, clubs have to be held responsible for their employees.
I'll say the same if Hibs players are involved.

**** the hertz, I never get tired of saying that.

[RoYO!]

SFA should have hammered them. Clearly the message has not gotten through. Continuing to bring the game into disrepute.

[brog]

For the avoidance of doubt, I thought it was a spoof statement when I read that phrase. Hearts however are now beyond parody!

[Kaff]

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Get a nice big crayon and write this down: football isn’t that important.

Exactly but physical exercise is, a whole swathe of Scottish population has now had that restricted.
I'm not sticking up for Hearts, it's the concept that to control the players of 12 clubs every single adult is to be restricted.
Not sure why your reply was so condescending but crack on.

[Alan62]

I often wonder who actually writes their statements. The English is all over the place. It has that faux formality that is usually only the preserve of jumped up Council workers issuing edicts to the plebs or dim police men making awkward statements on the TV news.

And why do they pad them out with such flabby nonsense? 'We requested a delay to the publication of that decision, while we discussed the implications.' What difference does their discussion make to the decision? None. They still have to spill their rage onto the page. Seriously, they just open their mouths and show the world their foolishness. If a statement had been required, this would have been enough ...

Heart of Midlothian Football Club is disappointed to note the Joint Response Group's decision to temporarily curtail the club's return to training. While we appreciate the complexities of the current public health situation, we are confident that our current arrangements meet all required standards to protect the health of both the public and our employees. Our training arrangements had been put in place at considerable expense to the club and we will seek further discussions with the authorities at the earliest opportunity in an attempt to get our pre-season preparations back on track.

[Hibbyradge]

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Whole thing doesn't sit well with me.
She is correct in stating that it is behavioural issues with players at top clubs.
This has stopped the ability of every adult in Scotland to have football training in groups of 5 with no physical contact and social distancing, we've been building up and young men getting healthier physically and mentally having this training but now it's bang we can't trust pampered footballers to behave themselves so we stop everyone else but them!
Points deduction for Celtic and Aberdeen, same for any club in future causing games to be postponed for same reason. Guaranteed not a single player would step out of line, clubs have to be held responsible for their employees.
I'll say the same if Hibs players are involved.

I understand your stance, but I don't think a points deduction is the appropriate punishment for individual players breaking rules.

That sort of power in the hands of disgruntled players could be very dangerous.

I also don't think it would stop the eejits thinking they could break the rules without anyone catching them.

[hibbyfraelibby]

over on JKB they are urging the bigliest club in the non-premiership to continue training and stick 2 fingers up at SFA/SPFL and dare them to do anything about it.

That got me to thinking that Uncle Rodders and Nephew Neil had a plan all along to come up with a way to punish them in a manner Lord Clark couldn't interfere in hence the tiddly fine.

Get them to breach a COVID related rule deliberately and use that as a reason to withdraw their pro licence and put them "oot the gemme" for endagering the whole sport by their actions.

I know reading too many conspiracy theories but...

[Kaff]

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I understand your stance, but I don't think a points deduction is the appropriate punishment for individual players breaking rules.

That sort of power in the hands of disgruntled players could be very dangerous.

I also don't think it would stop the eejits thinking they could break the rules without anyone catching them.

You are probably right, there would be too many random photos of players in situations with no context and the like for it to be governed fairly.
The onus has to be put on the clubs though, I've a feeling there is a move in that direction anyway.
SFA have got this totally wrong with blanket ban on organised training though

[Kaff]

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over on JKB they are urging the bigliest club in the non-premiership to continue training and stick 2 fingers up at SFA/SPFL and dare them to do anything about it.

That got me to thinking that Uncle Rodders and Nephew Neil had a plan all along to come up with a way to punish them in a manner Lord Clark couldn't interfere in hence the tiddly fine.

Get them to breach a COVID related rule deliberately and use that as a reason to withdraw their pro licence and put them "oot the gemme" for endagering the whole sport by their actions.

I know reading too many conspiracy theories but...

I haven't seen it but was told Jason Leitch has claimed this training restriction has nothing to do with SG, its all the SFA's work.
If a club disregards the 'rule' then it will still be a football matter I would imagine although Hearts were only club allowed physical contact and larger numbers so perhaps going back to that would possibly put them outside government guide/law?

[660]

What sort of idiot is playing football outwith the professional or semi professional clubs?!

Hearts are bleating about a rule which affects them and their seaside league rivals in equal measure.

Not sure how anyone one can argue about these restrictions to be honest.

[Kaff]

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What sort of idiot is playing football outwith the professional or semi professional clubs?!

Hearts are bleating about a rule which affects them and their seaside league rivals in equal measure.

Not sure how anyone one can argue about these restrictions to be honest.

There has been a guidance for informal training sessions as part of the SFA return to football path.
5 households to a maximum of 15 people, non contact and trying to maintain 2mt distancing where possible. It was recommended that this activity would be in an area perhaps quarter of a pitch so 20 people could hire a pitch and have football practice, although no mixing across the groups. Full track and trace details s (name, DoB, address) kept for 21 days, risk assessment, Covid officer, Covid medical kit and first aider present.
I'd imagine those kind of idiots have been training whilst other idiots have been swallying down the pub?
Which makes more sense to take part in?

[KingPat4]

Surely Hearts have run out of adjectives and are now officially the angriest football club in the world?

[Sammy7nil]

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There has been a guidance for informal training sessions as part of the SFA return to football path.
5 households to a maximum of 15 people, non contact and trying to maintain 2mt distancing where possible. It was recommended that this activity would be in an area perhaps quarter of a pitch so 20 people could hire a pitch and have football practice, although no mixing across the groups. Full track and trace details s (name, DoB, address) kept for 21 days, risk assessment, Covid officer, Covid medical kit and first aider present.
I'd imagine those kind of idiots have been training whilst other idiots have been swallying down the pub?
Which makes more sense to take part in?

Is this a trick question

[Kaff]

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Is this a trick question

Haha, which did you choose

[G B Young]

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Whole thing doesn't sit well with me.
She is correct in stating that it is behavioural issues with players at top clubs.
This has stopped the ability of every adult in Scotland to have football training in groups of 5 with no physical contact and social distancing, we've been building up and young men getting healthier physically and mentally having this training but now it's bang we can't trust pampered footballers to behave themselves so we stop everyone else but them!
Points deduction for Celtic and Aberdeen, same for any club in future causing games to be postponed for same reason. Guaranteed not a single player would step out of line, clubs have to be held responsible for their employees.
I'll say the same if Hibs players are involved.

She is talking nonsense. Why on earth are have they even been back in full training so early with no games until October? Because they think it still makes them look like a 'big' club, that's the only reason. Some of the guff in that statement in laughable. For instance, referencing the Scottish Cup semi-final in November as though pausing training in mid August would have any impact whatsoever on that. And that last line about 'our fans are naturally incensed' is nothing more than an ongoing bid to play to the gallery and keep up the mantra that the world's against them (ie just another attempt to mask the fact that the fans' ire should actually be directed at her for the abysmal job she's been doing). The sad thing is, most of their fans would appear to happy to be spoon fed Budge's views on how they're apparently feeling. Are they really 'incensed' by this? They lead pretty narrow little lives if so.

[Kaff]

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She is talking nonsense. Why on earth are have they even been back in full training so early with no games until October? Because they think it still makes them look like a 'big' club, that's the only reason. Some of the guff in that statement in laughable. For instance, referencing the Scottish Cup semi-final in November as though pausing training in mid August would have any impact whatsoever on that. And that last line about 'our fans are naturally incensed' is nothing more than an ongoing bid to play to the gallery and keep up the mantra that the world's against them (ie just another attempt to mask the fact that the fans' ire should actually be directed at her for the abysmal job she's been doing). The sad thing is, most of their fans would appear to happy to be spoon fed Budge's views on how they're apparently feeling. Are they really 'incensed' by this? They lead pretty narrow little lives if so.

I agreed with one sentence of her statement.

I'm not defending Hearts position but I am knocking the SFA decision on stopping everyone else from training to harden the position on players of the top 12 clubs.

Playing Devils Advocate, Hearts might feel they are helping their players mentally if they can gather them at training albeit it is earlier than usually required, they've had a long break from football so not like a normal season when you're trying to get players rested up in the close season.
I know from our amateur set up players are enjoying the get together aspect as much as anything else

[green day]

"Incensed" and "considering their options".

Delicious, utterly delicious.

P.s. for the avoidance of doubt, the only option is, to paraphrase Nike, just dae it........

[KingPat4]

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I agreed with one sentence of her statement.

I'm not defending Hearts position but I am knocking the SFA decision on stopping everyone else from training to harden the position on players of the top 12 clubs.

Playing Devils Advocate, Hearts might feel they are helping their players mentally if they can gather them at training albeit it is earlier than usually required, they've had a long break from football so not like a normal season when you're trying to get players rested up in the close season.
I know from our amateur set up players are enjoying the get together aspect as much as anything else

Very considerate of you, but it's Hearts. **** them.

[Green Badger]

Is it maybe because they share Riccarton as opposed to top division clubs that actually have their own training grounds?

[Hibernianinc]

Ok. Lots of moving parts, difficult macro situation and arguments on both sides.

But if I understand correctly, herts (“The Famous”, as some refer to them), have been informed they are a less important footballing institution than a ladies team from Glasgow.

[Scott Allan Key]

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Again, putting any rivalries and banter aside, Hearts have found themselves in a situation where they've un-furloughed staff, got back to work, then been told to stand down for another two weeks. That's two weeks wages for no return.
All because of the individual actions of players outwith their league.

A taste of their own medicine. Still feel sorry for Dundee Utd, Raith and Cove.

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[hibee-boys]

Couldn't resist a little peak over at Brokeback, the thread on how much they're ploughing into the club is incredible. Relegation, inflated wages on average players, half finished stand that cost twice the price of the finished stand, borrowing a training ground etc etc. Not one expression of disatisfaction on how 'their' money is being spent, wtf is wrong with these people!lol

[RyeSloan]

Maybe I’m missing something but the decision today forces them to pause training for the princely total of one week? Is that right?

One week in August when they don’t play until October and they are incensed and mumbling on about contracts and costs?

[jgl07]

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Is it maybe because they share Riccarton as opposed to top division clubs that actually have their own training grounds?

They don’t ‘share’ Riccarton, they rent some facilities when not required by the University staff and students do not require them.

Sometimes they even pay their rent!

[660]

I must admit I’ve been looking forward to their inevitable backlash against Sturgeon.

It’s just another step in their journey to becoming full blown huns.

[KingPat4]

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They don’t ‘share’ Riccarton, they rent some facilities when not required by the University staff and students do not require them.

Sometimes they even pay their rent!

Have they ever paid the rent? I thought it was usually written off?

[calumhibee1]

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Maybe I’m missing something but the decision today forces them to pause training for the princely total of one week? Is that right?

One week in August when they don’t play until October and they are incensed and mumbling on about contracts and costs?

That’s the way I’m reading it. They’re full time incest though, hence why they keep trying to tell us but they can’t spell it right.

[Kato]

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It's in

Club News
CLUB STATEMENT
13th August 2020

Heart of Midlothian Football Club can confirm that we were advised at 4.30pm this afternoon of the decision of the Joint Response Group to delay the return to training for clubs out-with the SPFL Premiership and that as a consequence, Hearts were required to cease training with immediate effect.

We requested a delay to the publication of that decision, while we discussed the implications. While the situation was being discussed internally, the decision was published, some 20 minutes or so later.

While recognising the hugely complex decision-making processes involved in dealing with the Covid-19 crisis, the Club has nonetheless objected to this decision in the strongest terms.

To be clear, we had previously requested to return to training on 3rd August to fit in with our training plans and needs. Along with a Betfred Cup campaign and Championship season to prepare for, we also have a Scottish Cup semi-final to participate in. We confirmed that we were able to comply with all the required protocols, which we have done. All other Championship clubs were given the same opportunity to return to training. They chose not to return at that time, as was their right.

Having received authority to return to training, we built our plans around the agreed date. Our players and support staff were taken off furlough; contracts were signed with new staff and new players on the clear understanding that we would be in full training. We signed contracts with service providers, including Oriam and our Testing company. Testing has once again been carried out this week, with costs incurred, in anticipation of continued training. Suffice to say that at a time when every football club in the land is managing its costs as tightly as possible, we have incurred significant “unnecessary” costs.

We have done nothing wrong and yet, once again, we are being disproportionately disadvantaged by a decision which has been described as “the fairest”. We should not forget that this situation has come about, not because of Covid-19, but because of behavioural issues, not by our employees but by those of other clubs. This delay reflects a lack of confidence that certain clubs will be able to comply and meet the required protocols. How can it possibly be “fair” that we should be penalised?

When questioned in what way this was “the fairest way forward”, we were advised that some other clubs now wanted to return to training and it was deemed that by preventing them from doing so, without halting our training, would give us an unfair advantage.

Our fans are naturally incensed by this action, especially given what has transpired over recent months. For the avoidance of doubt, everyone at the Club is equally incensed. We are currently considering our options.

Shut it, Budgie.

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