Coronavirus

[lapsedhibee]

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We could get most people on board if we explain that in addition to helping to stop the spread of the virus, wearing a face mask stops Huawei 5G masts from locating you through facial recognition and using airplanes to spray you with vaccines.

True that, and we need all the help we can get stopping the aeroplane-vaxxing. I saw a plane yesterday not leaving any trail at all, meaning that they've now managed to make the vax spray completely invisible, the *******s.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't like wearing a mask but I'll do it. I just find it a bit claustrophobic and the inability to read people's facial expressions is a bit disconcerting. As uncomfortable as I find it it's 15 minutes here and there, the vast majority of the time is still mask free.

I was out and about yesterday and would say compliance was very high, probably well over 90%, the people not wearing masks stood out far more than those wearing them.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I did. I’m happy to wear but I needed to be compelled to do so.


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I started covering my face with a scarf as soon as the first minister asked the population to do so, by the time it was mandatory it was second nature for me. You get used to it the more you do it.

[JimBHibees]

Good to hear about compliance with wearing masks in shops and on public transport especially with a droplet transmitted virus. My experience is that it is a minor inconvenience for what 10 to 15 mins every couple of days. It is simply the right thing to do.

Saw this very interesting story of a Scottish pilot who has been in intensive care and in a coma in Vietnam. Amazing story and the treatment he got there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53196009

[JimBHibees]

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I started covering my face with a scarf as soon as the first minister asked the population to do so, by the time it was mandatory it was second nature for me. You get used to it the more you do it.

So did I becomes a habit pretty quickly.

[PaulSmith]

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Is the above all fake news, genuinely interested to hear the views of the more informed.

I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind.


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[JimBHibees]

Why was Gove not asked by Marr about England deaths and jump in new cases?

[Santa Cruz]

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Is the above all fake news, genuinely interested to hear the views of the more informed.

I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind.


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Genuinely interested to hear what your own informed view is?

[Smartie]

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Is the above all fake news, genuinely interested to hear the views of the more informed.

I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind.


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Rather than fake news, I’d say that it’s an “alternative viewpoint”.

It’s not one I share.

As I think I said before - lockdown in the UK was absolutely necessary at the time, based on who we were, where we were and how prepared we were.

Under other circumstances (such as now) you would hope that total lockdown won’t be necessary in the event of any second wave, and that a more targeted approach could be taken to combat outbreaks.

I’m still to be convinced that we (the UK, which we’re still part of) is there yet - or likely to be there - so even if you don’t like it I think you might have to brace yourself for more come autumn.

I’d expect “lockdown scepticism” to be starting to rise about now as the economic impact of lockdown starts to bite for many.

[PaulSmith]

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Genuinely interested to hear what your own informed view is?

It’s never changed. Feel free to look through this thread.


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[Santa Cruz]

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It’s never changed. Feel free to look through this thread.


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Just found it a bit strange you posted a link, asking for others views, kind of implying people are not open minded, and chose not to share your own view.

[Ozyhibby]

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Why was Gove not asked by Marr about England deaths and jump in new cases?

They’re best pals.


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[PaulSmith]

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Just found it a bit strange you posted a link, asking for others views, kind of implying people are not open minded, and chose not to share your own view.

I want to be enlightened by others who may have more credibility to critique what could be ‘fake news’ on Twitter.

Are you able to give me your views on the graphs and summarisation?


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[Santa Cruz]

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I want to be enlightened by others who may have more credibility to critique what could be ‘fake news’ on Twitter.

Are you able to give me your views on the graphs and summarisation?


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If you feel it's "fake news" why state "I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind." That's the bit I don't understand, perhaps I am misinterpreting you.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why was Gove not asked by Marr about England deaths and jump in new cases?

Or even asked the same question that was asked of Nicola Sturgeon, how many lives could have been saved by locking down a week earlier?

[PaulSmith]

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If you feel it's "fake news" why state "I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind." That's the bit I don't understand, perhaps I am misinterpreting you.

Any chance you could just comment on the thread and not pick holes in my posts?


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[PaulSmith]

https://unherd.com/thepost/swedish-d...-19-in-sweden/


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[Santa Cruz]

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Any chance you could just comment on the thread and not pick holes in my posts?


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Ok. My comment is it’s never changed. Feel free to look through this thread.

I wasn't picking holes btw, I asked a reasonable question.

[neil7908]

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Is the above all fake news, genuinely interested to hear the views of the more informed.

I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind.


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I think the honest answer is we are in brand new territory with this virus and there isn't any definitive answers.

But although infection rates are very low, in Scotland at least wearing masks now makes sense as we are reopening shops, pubs and restaurants, meaning people will be mixing together in large numbers indoors for the first time in months.

I think masks are an extra safety precaution at this very delicate time. They are a minor inconvenience and if they aren't very effective, well so what?

My hope and expectation is that they won't be needed in a few weeks, at least in the shops. Public transport is another matter though.

[overdrive]

I don’t mind wearing a mask but it has made me realise how much I rely on lip reading. I have a slight hearing impairment but I normally have no real issues unless there’s a lot of background noise. We went to a beer garden yesterday for some lunch and drinks and I really struggled to make out what the servers were saying. I think it was a combination of not being able to see their lips move and the mask muffling what they were saying (there wasn’t a great amount of background noise to begin with). One server was wearing a visor rather than a mask I understood her much better.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Is the above all fake news, genuinely interested to hear the views of the more informed.

I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind.


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At first glance it looks like selective use of data. Comparing Scotland with scandanavian countries for example. Why not compare England with the same countries and see how that looks.

[GlesgaeHibby]

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Rather than fake news, I’d say that it’s an “alternative viewpoint”.

It’s not one I share.

As I think I said before - lockdown in the UK was absolutely necessary at the time, based on who we were, where we were and how prepared we were.

Under other circumstances (such as now) you would hope that total lockdown won’t be necessary in the event of any second wave, and that a more targeted approach could be taken to combat outbreaks.

I’m still to be convinced that we (the UK, which we’re still part of) is there yet - or likely to be there - so even if you don’t like it I think you might have to brace yourself for more come autumn.

I’d expect “lockdown scepticism” to be starting to rise about now as the economic impact of lockdown starts to bite for many.

Any total lockdown in future would be madness. Data from elsewhere, backed up by our own death / infection figures show that for the young and healthy the risk is very low, and that it is dangerous for older people and those with existing conditions. Any future measures have to focus on protecting at risk groups and letting the rest of us get back to normal. Thankfully increased testing capacity and contact tracers in place we are in a much better place than we were pre lockdown to tackle any future localised outbreaks.

[Callum_62]

Imagine working a 14 hour shift in the NHS front line with multiple layers of masks

They must all be falling down due to lack of oxygen to the brain

If the masks help at all it's a incredibly minor inconvenience to pay

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[Hibrandenburg]

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My experience is that it is a minor inconvenience for what 10 to 15 mins every couple of days. It is simply the right thing to do.

This is where I am. Not wearing a mask in confined public spaces is akin to not covering your mouth and nose when coughing and sneezing or not washing your hands after visiting the toilet. It's manky and antisocial. I can't respect anyone who just thinks "**** that, I'm not wearing a mask" because it's difficult to respect anyone who isn't willing to respect the lives of the older and vulnerable in our society.

[grunt]

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Any chance you could just comment on the thread and not pick holes in my posts?

Regarding the comment on the bar chart, it misunderstands the whole rationale for introducing the requirement to wear masks. We need to wear masks BECAUSE lockdown is easing. We are consequently in contact with more people and therefore the risk of infection is greater.

[Jack]

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Any total lockdown in future would be madness. Data from elsewhere, backed up by our own death / infection figures show that for the young and healthy the risk is very low, and that it is dangerous for older people and those with existing conditions. Any future measures have to focus on protecting at risk groups and letting the rest of us get back to normal. Thankfully increased testing capacity and contact tracers in place we are in a much better place than we were pre lockdown to tackle any future localised outbreaks.

At the start data indicated older were more susceptible. Not so much now.

https://time.com/5858593/younger-people-covid-19/

[Beefster]

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Is the above all fake news, genuinely interested to hear the views of the more informed.

I have one ask, don’t instantly dismiss it and read it with an open mind.

It’s not news, fake or otherwise. It’s a random’s interpretation of data in the public domain. By his own admission, he’s not a scientist or a medical doctor. His opinion is probably about as valid as any random but having a Twitter account, a website and a lot of public charts doesn’t it any more valid that someone who looks at the data and decides to never take off their mask or leave their bedroom.

The guy you’ve linked to has a belief that the lockdown was unwarranted and the risks were overplayed (obvious by the ‘From the start of the current COVID-19 crisis it seemed to me that...’ line on his website) and is interpreting data to support his opinion. Like most folk on the Internet.

[PaulSmith]

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At the start data indicated older were more susceptible. Not so much now.

https://time.com/5858593/younger-people-covid-19/

I think you’ve confused what’s been said.

Younger people have always been very susceptible to the virus but the vast majority don’t even know they’ve got it and if they do then its nothing more than a common cold symptom. Indisputable factual based evidence from around the world.


The science clearly shows us that its still the very sick and 80 year plus age group that are more susceptible to actually dying or becoming that ill that they need ICU treatment. Again the evidence is fairly conclusive but I’ll happily be corrected.


If the Scottish Govt had been alert and focussed on caring for the elderly that were already in confined spaces (care homes/hospitals) and had measures in place from the outset then they would’ve saved hundreds (thousands?)of lives.

They’ve got away lightly with this by now making it about saving the general population...However it was never ever about saving the general population as we didn’t need saved from it in the first place.

We needed the Govt to step up and protect the vulnerable at the time and they failed spectacularly. The Scot Govt weren’t alone in this but still failed.

What we do now need saved from is the impact of lockdown, the draconian restrictions and the way that we’ve bankrupt the country for the next 50 odd years.


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[Callum_62]

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I think you’ve confused what’s been said.

Younger people have always been very susceptible to the virus but the vast majority don’t even know they’ve got it and if they do then its nothing more than a common cold symptom. Indisputable factual based evidence from around the world.


The science clearly shows us that its still the very sick and 80 year plus age group that are more susceptible to actually dying or becoming that ill that they need ICU treatment. Again the evidence is fairly conclusive but I’ll happily be corrected.


If the Scottish Govt had been alert and focussed on caring for the elderly that were already in confined spaces (care homes/hospitals) and had measures in place from the outset then they would’ve saved hundreds (thousands?)of lives.

They’ve got away lightly with this by now making it about saving the general population...However it was never ever about saving the general population as we didn’t need saved from it in the first place.

We needed the Govt to step up and protect the vulnerable at the time and they failed spectacularly. The Scot Govt weren’t alone in this but still failed.

What we do now need saved from is the impact of lockdown, the draconian restrictions and the way that we’ve bankrupt the country for the next 50 odd years.


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Do we have a clue about long(er) term health implications yet?

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[PaulSmith]

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At first glance it looks like selective use of data. Comparing Scotland with scandanavian countries for example. Why not compare England with the same countries and see how that looks.

The first graph is from English ONS data


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