The generic Hearts thread

[Jack]

Have the stopped to consider that a club tossed out of the Scottish leagues might not be welcome in another country, or allowed by UEFA/FIFA under the same rules that had them chucked out in the first place?

[Future17]

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"JAMBOS FACE KO Hearts face having SFA membership REVOKED if they take SPFL to court"

That would be a shame.

Imagine being daft enough not to check that out. You'd think a top conveyancer would have known anout that.

Maybe they'll get their expulsion after all.

That rule has been mentioned a few times on this site over the last few weeks. I'd guess Budge is fully aware of it also.

[Hibeesmad]

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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...box=1590787896

Are they the only club in the world who would pay £500,000 to challenge a relegation because they were bottom of the league? In which they would fail and end up getting further discipline.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Saughton Jambo Saughton Jambo
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Monday is D-Day I believe. I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it Jus now but it’s definitely stacked in our favour. There’s been a few developments today and ND knows that Ann will go all out if reconstruction fails. I’d like to think we are dining at the top table this season and not on the outside looking in. Lots to happen this weekend

Silly twit is going to lose his team and his house on to same day!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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The BBC's Kheridine has just tweeted this

"Monday could be the end of the road for the @JamTarts @spfl reconstruction proposals. Ahead of the Premiership meeting to discuss temporary 14-14-14, 3 top flight clubs tell me they don’t support the plans. An 11-1 Prem majority is required, which means we may not even get a vote"

I really hope there is a vote

A “dismissal due to lack of support” could see this farce prolonged even more with hearts continuing to attempt to cling on for dear life

Vote, it fails, the vote results are recorded and we all move on

Hearts then condemned to life in the championship

[brog]

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I really hope there is a vote

A “dismissal due to lack of support” could see this farce prolonged even more with hearts continuing to attempt to cling on for dear life

Vote, it fails, the vote results are recorded and we all move on

Hearts then condemned to life in the championship

Im sure Doncaster is savvy enough to have that covered.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Im sure Doncaster is savvy enough to have that covered.

I’m sure your right but we seem to have been here before

Hearts with a proposal to reconstruct the league, it’s turned down due to lack of support, no vote

Yet we’re back here again

[Keith_M]

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Joining the English leagues. That would be the funniest thing ever to see them trying to do that. ....

Time for my poem....

----
The Queen of Hearts
She saved Jam Tarts
And made their debt go away

But the Knave of Hearts
The Director of Hoofbaw and that
Signed loads of Duds on massive pay.

He said to Auld Budgie
From his seat on the Cludgie
"I'm restoring the Natural Order"

He doth regret those words,
The silly wee turd
Cos' now they play "south of the border"
----



* Interpret that last line however you want ;-)

[Onceinawhile]

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I’ve noticed something a bit unusual with the FoH accounts submitted to companies house.

Tenon were their original accountants and when they went pop in 2013 Scot Moncrieff were appointed and produced their accounts until 2017.

Then the 2018 accounts have Scott Moncrieff’s name on the front cover and they are listed as the FoH accountants , but there is no report or signature from them. Also the spaces for the FoH directors signatures are blank. In other words they have submitted unsigned accounts.

The most recent accounts for 2019 have been signed by their directors but there is not reference to any independent accountants, so I presume they are doing their accounts themselves.

Nothing wrong with that, but when you consider the £ 100,000 s in d.ds and cow stuffing funds etc you would expect some kind of independent check.

I worked on the tax comp for foh when I was at tenon. Back then of course it was an almost entirely different entity and Anne budge had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I find it crazy that the people who set it up and worked for a few years on it have more or less been airbrushed out of history for the Anne budge show.

[dchibs]

Is the documentary they are making coming out as a box set, their is too much comedy surely for just one film.

[Waxy]

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Is the documentary they are making coming out as a box set, their is too much comedy surely for just one film.

I’m just hoping it’s edited and narrated from an unbiased viewpoint/or biased away from them.

[proud_and_green]

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In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

I suspect we might be the same if we were in their position. The thing is though we're not in their position and that is largely due to the way the two clubs are run. We are a well run club and have been for around 15 or so years. Hearts on the other hand are not and haven't been for ages and have never learned the lessons of the mistakes.

Hearts have a self assured entitlement that does not match their ability to function as a club. They refuse to do anything themselves to change the situation and certainly will not do anything the hard way. That has been the way of them since the early 80s when Mercer took over. They have lived a blinkered 'spend, spend, spend' life, and whilst other clubs did too, most of the others swallowed the bitter pill and put their houses in order. They on the other hand kept digging the hole. Any time they came into money they didn't do the sensible thing and use it to strengthen the whole club and set up structures for the future; they splaffed it on short term high cost investments - silly contracts for players etc - and consequently are now, for a second time in a very short time, having to pay the consequences.

If you think about the amount they have wasted over the last four or so years, its criminal. they have FoH money and this benefactor, how is it possible that they are in the situation they are in and Budge knows she has messed up and this is purely deflection.

What is clear though is they have still not learned the lessons of the past few years so they will i suspect continue to splaff the money up against the wall.

[calumhibee1]

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I suspect we might be the same if we were in their position. The thing is though we're not in their position and that is largely due to the way the two clubs are run. We are a well run club and have been for around 15 or so years. Hearts on the other hand are not and haven't been for ages and have never learned the lessons of the mistakes.

Hearts have a self assured entitlement that does not match their ability to function as a club. They refuse to do anything themselves to change the situation and certainly will not do anything the hard way. That has been the way of them since the early 80s when Mercer took over. They have lived a blinkered 'spend, spend, spend' life, and whilst other clubs did too, most of the others swallowed the bitter pill and put their houses in order. They on the other hand kept digging the hole. Any time they came into money they didn't do the sensible thing and use it to strengthen the whole club and set up structures for the future; they splaffed it on short term high cost investments - silly contracts for players etc - and consequently are now, for a second time in a very short time, having to pay the consequences.

If you think about the amount they have wasted over the last four or so years, its criminal. they have FoH money and this benefactor, how is it possible that they are in the situation they are in and Budge knows she has messed up and this is purely deflection.

What is clear though is they have still not learned the lessons of the past few years so they will i suspect continue to splaff the money up against the wall.

To have built a £20m+ stand and still been able to outspend us on the pitch while we have our biggest budget in history says it all about how much money they’ve actually had and wasted. Quite incredible.

[Paisley Hibby]

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Have the stopped to consider that a club tossed out of the Scottish leagues might not be welcome in another country, or allowed by UEFA/FIFA under the same rules that had them chucked out in the first place?

True but, other than that, I'm sure such a famous and big - everyone says how big they are, the bigliest and most famousist club ever - would, along with their 400,000 fans, be welcomed into the richest league in the world. They might struggle to hang on to their genius of a football director though. A man who is living proof that it doesn't matter how much money you spend; how well your team performs is down to your ability as a coach and motivator. I'm sure the likes of Klopp, Guardiola and Arteta etc would just love to have his direction and guidance all to themselves.

[Since452]

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I just cant think of anything to say to describe this:

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Either you undercover boys are doing a great job or they really are batsh*t crazy over there.

"We’re gonna be absolutely drowning in compo cash. Good wee nest egg for joining the bottom of the English leagues as the rest of Scottish football collapses and you just have Rangers and Celtic playing Each other every week. "

Hearts v Kiddiminster Harriers on a Tuesday night in January. "Tynecastle, make some noise!".

They'd be dreaming about the days they had a heated rivalry with St Mirren

[Bostonhibby]

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Have the stopped to consider that a club tossed out of the Scottish leagues might not be welcome in another country, or allowed by UEFA/FIFA under the same rules that had them chucked out in the first place?

Said it before, they really can't just waltz up to the English league clubs and say we're Hearts, we're famous and we've decided to honour you with our presence. They also come with a bad recent financial history.

They'd need to be voted in at around Conference North level if those clubs wanted them in. There are clubs at those levels spending to get into league two, a few are investing heavily to do it, would they want a possible threat to that, not to mention the extra cost of travelling to play in Scotland?

Would the FA automatically welcome a Scottish club into their cup competition?

There's bound to be other barriers as well.

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[Keith_M]

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They'd need to be voted in at around Conference North level if those clubs wanted them in.....

Pardon my ignorance of the English pyramid system..... Would that be the level that any new club would normally have to apply to?

Cheers.

[Bostonhibby]

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Pardon my ignorance of the English pyramid system..... Would that be the level that any new club would normally have to apply to?

Cheers.

No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.

I've followed conference level games for a while now and there's no history of just parachuting a "big" club in anywhere. They tend to have to play their way through the leagues.

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[mal]

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No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

Are any of those regions "Scotland"?

If not, I think they might have a problem...

[Bostonhibby]

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Are any of those regions "Scotland"?

If not, I think they might have a problem...

They're big and famous so anything is possible. There's quite a few non UEFA compliant pitches as well so they could fit right in.

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[Renfrew_Hibby]

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I’m just hoping it’s edited and narrated from an unbiased viewpoint/or biased away from them.

Not a chance.
Unfortunately the program is Martin Gielsers wee pet project.

[brog]

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To have built a £20m+ stand and still been able to outspend us on the pitch while we have our biggest budget in history says it all about how much money they’ve actually had and wasted. Quite incredible.

To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!!

[CentreLine]

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No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.

I've followed conference level games for a while now and there's no history of just parachuting a "big" club in anywhere. They tend to have to play their way through the leagues.

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Just stop it!!!

Queen Ann would simply insist that they changed their rules to accommodate hahahahahahearts

[007]

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Not a chance.
Unfortunately the program is Martin Gielsers wee pet project.

I hadn't realised that until someone pointed it out a few days ago. Unfortunately I think you are right, it will probably be biased in their favour focusing on the unjustice of it all and how Hearts are right and everyone else is wrong. They've probably got Tom English editing it.

[calumhibee1]

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To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!!

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[Bostonhibby]

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To have built a £20m stand, add that value to your balance sheet last year & yet have total assets of £17.5m takes some doing!!

Who knows what the stand will be worth when it's finished, I can see it becoming a major tourist attraction when it gets it's World Heritage Site listing.

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[Green_one]

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Are any of those regions "Scotland"?

If not, I think they might have a problem...

To be fair, if they know nothing about finance, the law and football, then lack of knowledge on geography is the least of their worries.

Mental health is probably their biggest challenge. Once all the madness dies down, the fans are going to realise they have only a hard reality. Well, most of them.

[Keith_M]

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No, it's an educated guess on my part, there are lower more regionalised levels that clubs can move up from to the conference.

I've followed conference level games for a while now and there's no history of just parachuting a "big" club in anywhere. They tend to have to play their way through the leagues...

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[RoYO!]

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It's ok as Queen Anne doesn't lower herself to read rules.

Rules? Where we're going we don't need... rules!

[007]

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In one fell swoop, here is the delusion that affects out neighbours:

"I think it's more that we realise that Ann is a person with empathy, who actually cares how her actions affect other folk. I for one was concerned that she might bow out of legal action because she was worried about the knock-on effects of such action on Scottish football. However, I can imagine that she was absolutely spitting tacks at the "I'm Alright Jack" decision made by the SPFL clubs, an unjust decision which effectively threw us to the dogs and created a threat to our existence, and so I think, despite that empathy, she decided that the gloves were off. There's only so much you can push someone around.

Even then, she's still offering testing facilities etc. to smaller clubs. That's the way she is. She has made mistakes but she's a good person, and that's one of the things that makes me so angry at the folk in the media and from other clubs who are continuing to have unwarranted pops at her. "Oh, she's just doing it for Hearts!". Nope. That may be the way that her detractors approach their lives, but it's not the way Ann does."

There is no help available for these idiots.

I'd like to know when she showed empathy. When 5 minutes after football was stopped she gave the players an ultimatum of 50% pay cut or you're binned? Or when she point blank refused to consider deferment yet they were actively searching for replacements saying they'd have money to spend on transfer fees?

Maybe it was when she put forward a reconstruction proposal which would save her own club but at the same time would shaft many others. Or when trying to capitlise on the growing concern of other clubs around their own survival by switching the reason for the proposed reconstruction from being all about "righting a wrong" to actually it shouldn't be looked upon as that. It should be looked upon it being about how it will save Scottish football (which it doesn't), while it is actually just saying put Hearts in the Premiership and the other leagues should sort themselves out.

The empathy could be in the offer of paying for clubs' testing (though it actually said paying for testing equipment, so could just be the £36k machine and not necessarily the ongoing costs) which is only on offer if clubs agree to their demand to put them in the Premiership. The implied reason for the offer being withdrawn if they are in the Championship is because they won't be able to afford it ("Hearts not being in the Premier League at this time would seriously limit our ability to help Scottish Football"), yet at the same time they boast about increased donations and renewed benefactor support.

Perhaps the empathy is in the threats of legal action and preventing football from restarting as well as implying that clubs will go out of business as a result.

Maybe I should just accept that I'm not capable of detecting empathy.