Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[jonty]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-keir-starmer/

Speaking on his LBC show, he said: "I am deeply perturbed to see three Conservative MPs, including an actual Minister, sharing online a heavily-doctored video from an obviously far-right account.

"Those three MPs have really allied themselves this morning with the forces of dishonesty and disgrace, although I'm sure they will all take measures to admit and withdraw their appalling errors at the very first opportunity."

[lapsedhibee]

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https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-keir-starmer/

Nadine Dorries

[JeMeSouviens]

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6 days running less than 100,000.

But it's OK, the BBC has reported the somewhat misleading "Italy is the first country to surpass 30,000 deaths in European Union"

True, but a great way to deflect from the truth that the UK passed that number a few days ago.

International comparisons ok again then, aye?

[Future17]

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Nadine Dorries

Honestly, how someone with such poor judgement can be part of the Government and get such an easy ride is scary.

I've never been a big fan of social media, but Twitter seems to be getting worse with regard to accounts with a wide reach and zero accountability.

[weecounty hibby]

How are these *******s getting away with this. Every single briefing or statement is a fabrication, full if lies, revisionism and downright made up *****. The right wing media in this country, and I actually include the BBC on this one, are pathetic and are not holding any of these ministers to account. The break up of the disunited kingdom cannot come quick enough. Elitist snobs mostly from one school in England ruling for the minority not the majority. It is shameful

[Hibrandenburg]

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How are these *******s getting away with this. Every single briefing or statement is a fabrication, full if lies, revisionism and downright made up *****. The right wing media in this country, and I actually include the BBC on this one, are pathetic and are not holding any of these ministers to account. The break up of the disunited kingdom cannot come quick enough. Elitist snobs mostly from one school in England ruling for the minority not the majority. It is shameful

It's not a new phenomenon.

[Steven79]

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How are these *******s getting away with this. Every single briefing or statement is a fabrication, full if lies, revisionism and downright made up *****. The right wing media in this country, and I actually include the BBC on this one, are pathetic and are not holding any of these ministers to account. The break up of the disunited kingdom cannot come quick enough. Elitist snobs mostly from one school in England ruling for the minority not the majority. It is shameful

Well said!

Coupled with those ********s forcing through a no-deal brexit that Scotland didn't vote for I can't see this "union" lasting much longer...

[Kato]

This was always coming.


https://www.rt.com/op-ed/489201-uk-s...ticians-covid/

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[weecounty hibby]

Have we just given up with this thread now? We all now just accept that if you are a Tory you will be a lying *******? That briefing was probably the worst thing I have ever seen from any politician anywhere. Those ****s would give trump a run for his money.

[Hiber-nation]

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Have we just given up with this thread now? We all now just accept that if you are a Tory you will be a lying *******? That briefing was probably the worst thing I have ever seen from any politician anywhere. Those ****s would give trump a run for his money.

Something has to give. How about his chums in the ring wing media turning against him? No PMQs this week, what have they got to lose? Of course it will end up with the likes of Raab as PM but at least it would be a start.

Sorry, I've had a bit more than my usual Sunday afternoon quota of 2 glasses of wine...

[Mibbes Aye]

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Have we just given up with this thread now? We all now just accept that if you are a Tory you will be a lying *******? That briefing was probably the worst thing I have ever seen from any politician anywhere. Those ****s would give trump a run for his money.

I am going to hold my nose while writing this but I think there are some Tories who genuinely believe in their political principles.

I won’t ever find myself agreeing with them but I can understand their rationale, even if it leaves me cold to the bone. At least it is honest. I would probably rank people like Peter Bone and maybe Gove in that camp. I would never want their views informing any policy decisions but I respect that they are probably genuine views, based on their ideology.

Johnson’s briefing was appalling and will come back to haunt him again and again. It makes him appear weak and in thrall to Cummings. It also makes them all appear opportunistic. My sense is that more stuff will emerge about Cummings - the fact that the Guardian and Mirror are all over it and the fact that he is so unliked within the Conservative Party -and he will need to go. The longer he stays before his ultimate demise, the bigger the damage for BJ. Boris is doubling down but I can’t see how it is sustainable. His problem is that he doesn’t seem to have anyone other that DC talking in his ear.

[Beefster]

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I am going to hold my nose while writing this but I think there are some Tories who genuinely believe in their political principles.

I won’t ever find myself agreeing with them but I can understand their rationale, even if it leaves me cold to the bone. At least it is honest. I would probably rank people like Peter Bone and maybe Gove in that camp. I would never want their views informing any policy decisions but I respect that they are probably genuine views, based on their ideology.

Johnson’s briefing was appalling and will come back to haunt him again and again. It makes him appear weak and in thrall to Cummings. It also makes them all appear opportunistic. My sense is that more stuff will emerge about Cummings - the fact that the Guardian and Mirror are all over it and the fact that he is so unliked within the Conservative Party -and he will need to go. The longer he stays before his ultimate demise, the bigger the damage for BJ. Boris is doubling down but I can’t see how it is sustainable. His problem is that he doesn’t seem to have anyone other that DC talking in his ear.

I thought your first comment about Steve Baker this morning. I detest his politics, particularly on the EU, but at least he’s consistent. Would have been pretty easy for him to stay quiet about Cummings or fall into line, especially given they probably have some Brexit history.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I thought your first comment about Steve Baker this morning. I detest his politics, particularly on the EU, but at least he’s consistent. Would have been pretty easy for him to stay quiet about Cummings or fall into line, especially given they probably have some Brexit history.

Yeah, I know where I stand and I am old enough that if I shift, it will be in graduations rather than transformations. I genuinely don’t mind Tories who are genuinely committed to their viewpoint. Will always struggle my understanding of their views, but I can take someone who has taken enough time to think and articulate their thoughts, even if it appals me. So as long as it doesn’t sink into dog-whistle, racist, homophobe etc then I am fine. The older I get, the more I like reading or hearing contrary opinions to mine, it challenges me more. Makes me reflect more and sharpen my own thinking.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I thought your first comment about Steve Baker this morning. I detest his politics, particularly on the EU, but at least he’s consistent. Would have been pretty easy for him to stay quiet about Cummings or fall into line, especially given they probably have some Brexit history.

Cummings and the erg loathe one another.

[Kato]

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Cummings and the erg loathe one another.

Is that because there is a rivalry as to who can be the most loathsome?

[Beefster]

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Cummings and the erg loathe one another.

Didn’t know that. Any idea why?

It’s starting to sound like Cummings doesn’t have a lot of goodwill banked anywhere outside of Johnson and Gove.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Didn’t know that. Any idea why?

It’s starting to sound like Cummings doesn’t have a lot of goodwill banked anywhere outside of Johnson and Gove.

They tried to bin him from vote leave quite early in the brexit campaign. Basically because he was rude about them. He outmanoeuvred them but has been feuding with them on and off since, eg.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...mings-tory-mps

The thing about Cummings and Brexit is he doesn’t really care about sovereignty or immigration or any of that stuff. He wanted out of the EU as an excuse to and to make it easier to rip up Whitehall.

[weecounty hibby]

Cummings and Johnson, ****ing lying *******s and and embarrassment. Anyone who voted for these snake oil salesmen needs to go and have a long hard think about what the **** they have done. They wouldn't know the truth if it punched them in the face. An act that I find myself dreaming about more and more. Sunday's briefings and yesterday's statement have left the UK as a complete laughing stock. Scotland at least has a way out of this that I hope to god we grasp next time, but I feel sorry for England as they are stuck with ****bags like them for good

[Bristolhibby]

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Didn’t know that. Any idea why?

It’s starting to sound like Cummings doesn’t have a lot of goodwill banked anywhere outside of Johnson and Gove.

Cummings wants to watch the world burn and rebuild in his own ideology.

The ERG genuinely hate Europe but respect the small c conseveratim. Deference to process, tradition and hierarchy. All because those systems make them ritch.

Cummings has no regard for such things. He hates the Civil Service and the EU is another of those beaurocracies in his opinion.

With BREXIT they were uncomfortable bedfellows.

Seriously recommend watching BREXIT - THE UNCIVIL WAR on Channel 4 catchup. Benedict Cumberbatch plays Cummings (before anyone knew who he was) really digs into the Cambridge Analytical scandal (remember that) and how they manipulated the British public.

Anyone (especially in Scotland where’s there’s a get out route) who is content to be ruled by these snake oil salesmen needs their bumps felt.

Have a look at the trailer.

https://youtu.be/3U9PtoH5bsM

Link to the drama.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/...he_uncivil_war

J

[Bristolhibby]

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Cummings and Johnson, ****ing lying *******s and and embarrassment. Anyone who voted for these snake oil salesmen needs to go and have a long hard think about what the **** they have done. They wouldn't know the truth if it punched them in the face. An act that I find myself dreaming about more and more. Sunday's briefings and yesterday's statement have left the UK as a complete laughing stock. Scotland at least has a way out of this that I hope to god we grasp next time, but I feel sorry for England as they are stuck with ****bags like them for good

Ha, without reading your post I used “snake oil salesmen” in my response. and the face that Scotland can GTF out of the Union. (Also I’m stuck with them).

Guess there’s a theme.

J

[Stonewall]

Whenever I see Gove I think Littlefinger. Hope he meets the same fate.

[JeMeSouviens]

This nails Dom I think:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-cummings-data

[Future17]

Nothing to see here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52826751

[easty]

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Nothing to see here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52826751

What'll be the punishment for this? Absolutely nothing I’ll bet.

It’s a disgrace.

[Kato]

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What'll be the punishment for this? Absolutely nothing I’ll bet.

It’s a disgrace.

Brexit ****baggery happening whilst Barnard Castle hogs the limelight.

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-ki...ng-far-darker/

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[JeMeSouviens]

Dom's father in law opines:

https://twitter.com/samjknights/stat...06126526631936

I know this doesn't necessarily tell us anything about Dom but Jesus ****** Christ! They really are as bad as people like me think they are.

This, otoh, does tell us that Dom is just as much of an entitled prick:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...g-gove-adviser

[Hibrandenburg]

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Dom's father in law opines:

https://twitter.com/samjknights/stat...06126526631936

I know this doesn't necessarily tell us anything about Dom but Jesus ****** Christ! They really are as bad as people like me think they are.

This, otoh, does tell us that Dom is just as much of an entitled prick:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...g-gove-adviser

Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.

[Kato]

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Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.

Ironically coming over as an inbred monster.

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[Tobias Funke]

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Creepy, bottom feeding 1930's fascist creepy.

Incredible to think reprobates like that exist in this day and age.

[Berwickhibby]

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Ironically coming over as an inbred monster.

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What angers me as I have dealt with Humphrey Wakefield on a professional level and always found him respectful and not up his own arse. His employees seem to like him and he has always paid well compared to others in the area. Seeing this makes me feel I have been duped.