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Has similar flak been aimed at the devolved Govts? Not seen anything like that.
Saying that I haven't witnessed anything like that aimed at the UK Govt.
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17-05-2020 08:20 PM #10501
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17-05-2020 08:28 PM #10502
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Think Belgium has the worst death rate, per million of the population, anywhere in the world so no surprise they’re not happy.
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17-05-2020 08:33 PM #10503
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17-05-2020 08:36 PM #10504This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Totally agree that the decision to stop TTI was a mistake, they never stopped it in the Republic of Ireland. I would imagine though, when all ports are still open with thousands of new arrivals each day, it turns TTI into a needle in a haystack job. If you watch the Dispatches programme from last week about how South Korea tackle Covid surveillance, it is obvious the vast amount of technology required to do the task effecectively that we clearly do not have ready.
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17-05-2020 08:45 PM #10506This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
since you’ve shared the post can you explain?
Converting those fatalities to dollars using the Australian value of a statistical life of A$4.9 million per life yields a cost of A$1.1 trillion.
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17-05-2020 09:01 PM #10507This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-05-2020 09:09 PM #10508This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There's differing levels to bad management to this crisis. Some countries were ill prepared, some in denial, some had other priorities and some just simply incompetent with some having a pick n mix of all that previously mentioned.
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17-05-2020 09:11 PM #10509This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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17-05-2020 09:12 PM #10510This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It also doesn’t feel right me, or anyone, putting a value on a life regardless of age, disability or otherwise so I can see this being emotive and becoming an ethical discussion so I’ll quietly bow out of this particular one.
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17-05-2020 09:13 PM #10511This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-05-2020 10:19 PM #10513This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think it is a new software package that is being tested.
https://www.gov.scot/news/contact-tr...ology-piloted/
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17-05-2020 10:36 PM #10514
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Its interesting to see the development of the argument of the economy vs the heath of the population
Ofcourse in most places the latter was put front and centre but after only a few short weeks that seems to have diminished somewhat and now we have folk screaming about the former being more important than the latter as FOLK WILL STARVE!
Id suggest that if that argument is indeed valid, then its not our response to the virus that needs altered its our economic system
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17-05-2020 10:57 PM #10515This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It has always been the case and always will be no matter what economic system you want to operate under.
It’s also pertinent to point out that many many people will be suffering huge financial loss due to the measures taken and that in turn will be leading to some struggling to survive. Pretending otherwise or suggesting the economic system is at fault is just a bit silly.
As quite obviously there is no system that can support huge swathes of the population being forced to stay at home for a long period or large parts of the economy (be that as free market as you want or wholly centrally controller) being shuttered indefinitely.
And yes many people do live week to week, some day to day...again no system has managed to avoid that scenario either.
It’s therefore totally valid to question how long a population or an economy can afford to be shut down for against the suggested health benefits that shutdown is purporting to provide.
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17-05-2020 11:07 PM #10516
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We live in a society where the biggest few companies paying the appropriate taxes could support this shutdown for a much much longer time.
Instead we are going to put people back to work when the correct safety measures or understanding of the virus just isn't there. Whats actually changed from 23rd March when lock down happened UK wide that makes it safe for teachers to return in 2 weeks?
Im simply stating that people should look at that with horror, rather than worrying some people are becoming addicted to furlough
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17-05-2020 11:23 PM #10517
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17-05-2020 11:34 PM #10518This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There you go again using extremes to make a point.
Do you believe the 500,000 figure?
What few companies do you suggest should be paying taxes of the near £200bn cost of the virus to the UK government so far...and how many of them could afford doing so for ‘much much longer’. Certainly not the ones that are being driven out of business for it so your pool is diminishing by the day.
And much has changed since the 23rd March. For example in Scotland it was projected that they needed 7,000 beds including 750 ICU beds. In the end they needed a third of that so on a crude basis you could say they miscalculated the peak by a huge factor...somehow pretending that’s not a change in our understanding is a bit odd. As is the fact that you seem to be ignoring the fact that most other countries are attempting to re-open their economies based on their past experience of the last few months....are you suggesting no one has learned anything since the end of March? Are you screaming at Italy to suggest they are fools for trying to do so as it’s ridiculous to suggest people would starve if they didn’t?
But rather than just railing against a couple of slogans that you have decided paint a picture of extremes what are you suggesting should happen beyond these mystical few companies pouring endless billions into one nations governmental coffers?
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18-05-2020 12:05 AM #10519
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Are you suggesting our actions had no impact on the peak? That seems to be a common route taken now as if people staying home didn't impact the spread of the virus
As for paying fair tax, let's start with amazon and apple first. Yeah it's not illegal I know, doenst make it right though
I guess it's a reflection on my trust of the current UK gov that is quite probably affecting my feelings around the lockdown easing
That and all other 3 nations of the UK rejecting it
I still don't see any actual solid evidence to send teachers back in 2 weeks
Michael Gove saying its fine isn't evidence.
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18-05-2020 06:41 AM #10520This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m not being flippant about it but a number of schools have been open throughout, transmission between kids and adults is still subject to debate and more importantly I don’t believe that there are any 75 year old plus teachers with underlying health conditions.
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18-05-2020 06:50 AM #10521
“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.”
I came across this quote earlier and it certainly resonates with the current mood.
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18-05-2020 07:22 AM #10523This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
10 times more deaths than Norway and 7 times more than Denmark.
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18-05-2020 07:44 AM #10525
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Out of interest probably best answered by somebody who runs a business, in my work to be fair they have put in a lot of measures and things that has probably also came at a bit of a cost that I assume the business itself picks up. So you own a business that has been closed but in order to reopen you need to make it safe so before you even open the doors you are spending even more money so is it on the individual business to pay for there own measures? I assume it is but just looking for clarification.
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Understand that.
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18-05-2020 07:46 AM #10527
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Why is anyone been asked to wfh when you can?
Ironically teachers can, although I understand it brings around some practical issues
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18-05-2020 07:51 AM #10528
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Bit of lightheartedness
It raises a point about my flight training though
Not much chance of social distancing there!
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18-05-2020 07:56 AM #10529This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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You then said we have learned nothing since March but you now appear to be suggest that we have (the lockdown is the required approach)...I certainly didn’t suggest anything around what measures had made no difference to the peak, that’s a classic strawman that you have chucked in there.
As it is I think we have learned loads and actually it has only strengthened the trend from before, that the virus disproportionately effects the elderly and as we have seen those with specific underlying issues. In particular those with diabetes.
We have also learned that ventilations were not needed in there millions and that other treatments were more effective. The list goes on and on.
Then your list of companies that can afford to give the UK government hundreds of billions amounts to Amazon and Apple...did you just stop at A or was it the realisation that measures that cause GDP to drop up to 30% almost overnight are simply not sustainable for any length of period no matter how much tax you might want to raise as the wealth generation to pay the tax has been switched off?
I think ultimately your point seems to boil down to the fact that you think teachers in England are being asked to go back to work too early. If so it might have been easier just for you to say so and to put forward a cohesive reason as to why, rather than just deploying hyperbole about people screaming about others starving and the need for new economic models.
Anyway despite the lockdown I have work to do today so I’ll bow out here.
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